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Subject: [BUG] Mid orders on a striker Bug

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2021-08-30 11:42:41
Bryan Robson to All
This bug has always been there, when you give one of your strikers mid orders he won't score [as much dependant on opponents] won't play well , always look to pass but mostly walk it into the keeper or defender, meaning people train less to win, i'm a trainer you should never punish the trianers who are already punished by playing younger players

This 'Order' has cost me numerous times and probably the premiership and more cups, sokker punishes better team managers,and better teams, do they realise this at all?

This is the fix I've wanted since 2009!

No other 'Orders' punish you like that one , only 1 striker on mid orders other on striker you will get punished mostly everytime
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2021-08-30 12:40:22
You are right, they do score very less with mid order and because strikers do need tech you have to play with mid order. Of course you can train tech for strikers with att order but than you can use 3 positions only, it is not fair against other positions in the field.

My sunday match is a good example for this.
Almost impossible to score.
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2021-08-30 13:41:21
It's already fixed in the new training system: you will be able to train them as ATT and, at the same time, train your MIDs or DEFs in whatever you want (up to 10 players)
2021-08-30 15:41:18
That’s not a bug. You choose to give a mid order to strikers that’s your choice.

Plus the next training system will help as terrion said.
2021-08-30 18:19:41
Oh really yaaaaay at last!!! when will that be along next season?

and to juytt so in real life you wanna train your strikers on tech you say oi you wont be able to score cos your playing with 1 leg!

or loose out training ie stop you training right or it affects your results bigtime & won't win anhything just because of orders ? hated that about this game since 2009, it shouldn't exist

so we can shut this post?

another 1 is need to have tactic both ways ie, if loosing if winning you can have a tactic for each whereas atm you can't only have 1 additional tactic in any one game
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2021-08-30 22:02:00
It's already fixed in the new training system: you will be able to train them as ATT and, at the same time, train your MIDs or DEFs in whatever you want (up to 10 players)

No no... This issue stays with the new system!
not for technique, cause technique trains equally good on all field positions...
But if you want to train your striker on PM or passing, you MUST give him a mid-order!

Still I feel it's a stupid rule!
They want to get close to real life football experience, yet for sokker, only mids can train passing.
Modern football is all about passing from your first player to your last!
I feel all fieldskills should be able to be trained equally fast, regardless of the order...
Give the order the sole purpose to execute a certain way of football within the ME, and stop defining it to training. It's ridiculous and has 0% logic.
It's ok that you can set a certain skill for training for each order, thoug I feel it should be more specific GT.
You can place 10 players for training.
It's good that you can choose up to 4 different skills to train and split within those 10 players how you want.
Give those players 80% training for their training spot, period.
The other 20% should always be match based, 10% physical GT and 10% positional GT
This way you can train mids up to 80% on any preferred skill AND you give them 5% bonus on stamina and 5% bonus on pace for each full match they play!
Besides this they should also receive 10% GK, DEF, PM or Striker training, cause they played on that position the entire match!
This way, players will be trained much better and more logical.
2021-08-30 22:49:47
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2021-08-30 22:50:42
That's right, but 99% of users won't use that option I think so it's not that important

Technique to ATTs IS really annoying at the moment
2021-08-30 22:55:16
Fact is... for defs it's real pain in the ****

PM and passing are very important for defs, though the game makes it very hard for defs to learn these skills and meanwhile still be valuable on the pitch.
You can easily train PM or passing for defenders if you don't care about the results at all.
Therefor I feel it should be changed.
2021-08-30 23:01:50
That was my case in the last seasons and they played pretty good with MID order. (Maybe because they already have incredible/brilliant PM)

But strikers with MID is losing every even game you have
2021-08-30 23:13:44
I find it very unwise to place strikers on the pitch with mid order.
I get you want to take the maximum out of your training, but if you train strikers, you just know you should train ATT order.
All 3 striker skills are trained with maximum intensity on ATT order, so it's your own choice to place them on mid order, so you can combine strikers and mids.
But with defs, you have no choice.
You MUST set them with mid-order to have maximum training for them
Try placing a player like this on the midfield... It's really annoying!


Marouane Mestach
, age 24
value: 1 769 500 €
wage: 20 675 €
unearthly form
height: 191 cm, weight: 77.9 kg,
BMI: 21.35
bookings:
GK 0.00 DEF 0.00 MID 0.00 ATT 0.00
very good stamina tragic keeper
superdivine pace divine defender
formidable technique adequate playmaker
good passing adequate striker

And I want to train him on the mid-skills, so if I train passing or PM, I'm obliged to place him on the pitch with mid-order. And that is wrong imo...
If this is the case, passing and certainly PM should have far less influence on his performance on the pitch than it has now.
It's ridiculous that this player receives only 50, 55 rating as a defender...
If he has incredible PM he has 75 rating...go figure!
Also, his viewable performance on the pitch is not good for his qualities! Yes, his tackles are good and yes, he can control a ball, but why should he run the ball out of the pitch or rattle the ball 80 meters into the stadium when there's no one around him? Solution = PM
Well... Make it possible for defs to train PM, and I'll agree with this rule! I mean.... GK has 95 rating with only 1 skill!! Why does this guy gets only half of the rating with the double amount of skill??
2021-08-30 23:19:41
Yeah, I don't know what is the purpose of that restrictions. They make our life harder with no clear advantage
2021-08-30 23:20:41
that's the point... strikers trainers complain about tech training because they want to train more than 3 ATT's per game, for DEF trainers is already a pain in the a**, not for training more players just your regular set of trainables.

And to top it off, ATT's just need 3 skills in order to be competitive, which is not the case for DEF's.
2021-08-30 23:38:55
Terrion, could you please explain what you did?
If your defenders play in MID order, so, mids play with DEF order??
2021-08-30 23:40:05
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2021-08-30 23:50:39
I'm training DEFs for the last 3 real years

My defenders were 16/17 when I bought them and I trained them in pace and defense first, then technique and finally pm and pass, where I had to swap DEF and MID orders, as you suggested

In the beginning I was not competitive but I know DEFs with low PM can't play with MID order because they keep the ball until some opponent tackles them. But, like I said, from outstanding and above PM, they seem to play as good as with DEF order
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