Subject: Nottm Forest Rant

yup

Our average gate is, I guess, about 25k. Recently we're selling out so it's closer to 29k a game. There's talk of us moving to a 40k stadium. I guess we get similar crowds or a few more than Blackburn, Fulham, Hull, Bolton, Wigan.

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I guess we get similar crowds or a few more than Blackburn, Fulham, Hull, Bolton, Wigan.

So no longer should be classed as a big team then - i rest my case mee lord.

Thats in the championship - the equivalent of your Premiership I believe? :p

nah, i would sa at best the scottish league is the equiveland of league 1.

behave mate - vauxhall conference is better than the Scottish Premier

LOL you are no fun to try and wind up. ;)

To compete in the Premiership you need a minumum of 30k seats, it's no coincidence that the mid-table sides have 30-35 k regular sell-outs, and the hangers on have less. Norwichs' new chairman has been banging on about us needing a 35k seater stadium should we ever get back there.
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Here is a list of biggest stadiums in England. City Ground is 21st, not bad for a stadium not expanded for 15 years. If we ranked league clubs on stadium size, we'd be winning the championship ;)

NB: Forest's ground is bigger than 9 of the 20 Premiership clubs - shows the impact the new money has had on the old game..

1 Old Trafford 76,212 Manchester United Premier League
2 Emirates Stadium 60,355 Arsenal Premier League
3 St James' Park 52,387 Newcastle United Championship
4 Stadium of Light 49,000 Sunderland Premier League
5 City of Manchester Stadium 47,726 Manchester City Premier League
6 Anfield 45,522 Liverpool Premier League
7 Villa Park 42,573 Aston Villa Premier League
8 Stamford Bridge 42,055 Chelsea Premier League
9 Goodison Park 40,158 Everton Premier League
10 Hillsborough Stadium 39,814 Sheffield Wednesday Championship
11 Elland Road 39,460 Leeds United League One
12 White Hart Lane 36,310 Tottenham Hotspur Premier League
13 The Boleyn Ground (Upton Park) 35,303[13] West Ham United Premier League
14 Riverside Stadium 34,988 Middlesbrough Championship
15 Pride Park Stadium 33,597 Derby County Championship
16 Bramall Lane 32,702 Sheffield United Championship
17 St Mary's Stadium 32,689 Southampton League One
18 Ricoh Arena 32,609 Coventry City Championship
19 Walkers Stadium 32,500 Leicester City Championship
20 Ewood Park 31,367 Blackburn Rovers Premier League
21 City Ground 30,576 Nottingham Forest Championship
22 Portman Road 30,311 Ipswich Town Championship
23 St Andrew's 30,079 Birmingham City Premier League
24 Molineux 29,303 Wolverhampton Wanderers Premier League
25 Reebok Stadium 28,723 Bolton Wanderers Premier League
26 Britannia Stadium 28,383 Stoke City Premier League
27 The Hawthorns 28,003 West Bromwich Albion Championship
28 The Valley 27,111 Charlton Athletic League One
29 Cardiff City Stadium 26,828 Cardiff City Championship
30 Selhurst Park 26,309 Crystal Palace Championship
31 Carrow Road 26,034 Norwich City League One
32 Craven Cottage 25,700* upgraded 30k+ Fulham Premier League
33 The Darlington Arena 25,500 Darlington League Two
34 KC Stadium 25,404 Hull City Premier League
35 DW Stadium 25,138 Wigan Athletic Premier League
36 Valley Parade 25,136 Bradford City League Two
37 Don Valley Stadium 25,000 Rotherham United League Two
38 Galpharm Stadium 24,500 Huddersfield Town League One
39 Madejski Stadium 24,161 Reading Championship
40 Deepdale 23,408 Preston North End Championship
41 Oakwell 23,009 Barnsley Championship
42 Turf Moor 22,546 Burnley Premier League
43 Stadium:mk 22,000 Milton Keynes Dons League One
44 Ashton Gate 21,497 Bristol City Championship
45 Liberty Stadium 20,532 Swansea City Championship
46 Fratton Park 20,224 Portsmouth Premier League

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and here is the list for the "chip on the shoulder, 46 bottles of vodka a year" league. Forest would be 3rd ;)

Celtic Park 60,832 Celtic
Ibrox Stadium 51,082 Rangers
Pittodrie Stadium 22,199 Aberdeen
Rugby Park 18,128 Kilmarnock
Easter Road 17,500 Hibernian
Tynecastle Stadium 17,420 Heart of Midlothian
Tannadice Park 14,209 Dundee United
Fir Park 13,742 Motherwell
McDiarmid Park 10,673 St. Johnstone
Falkirk Stadium 9,706 Falkirk
St. Mirren Park 8,016 St. Mirren
New Douglas Park 6,000 Hamilton Academical


Hamilton's ground is smaller than Woking's - and Woking play in the Conference South!!!!
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I guess we get similar crowds or a few more than Blackburn, Fulham, Hull, Bolton, Wigan.

So no longer should be classed as a big team then - i rest my case mee lord.

I think it is the definition of "big club". We are talking "big enough to be playing in the Premier League" not "Big enough for Champions league".

If Aberdeen were in the "angry man drinking irn bru and buckie 1st division", you'd argue that they would be a big enough club for the league above ?

Hopefully one day I have a chance to visit for example Old Trafford. Have been in Hamurg, which was huge as well. In Eesti we can dream about football arenas like you have in England. Our average attendance is 180, which is the lowest in Europe. Even in San Marino more people visit matches. The only requirement for our arenas is that you have to a pitch where to play.

Also...

see this forum page for same topic, so we can get back to the topic of me ranting about forest
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i hyave to say forest look good for joining my boys on our return to the prem.. not really ever followed forest - are they capable of blowing it all at the last minute or is there some level of confidence?

I don't go to that many games, but I've been to 4 this season and seen a few on Sky, and they're playing surprisingly assured football. I have to pinch myself a bit, because the Forest I know recently are utterly unreliable, unpredictable, and flatter to deceive... The fans expect a lot, but the team has been pants for a fair few years. The last time we were doing this well, and playing this well, it was ten years ago and we had Kev Campbell and Pierre van Hooijdonk up front and were banging in the goals. A few years after that we had a decent enough team and nearly got there (ta Sheffield Utd) but they blew it, Hart's academy players (Jermaine Jenas, Michael Dawson, Andy Reid, Gareth Williams etc) got sold off and shortly after we were in League One with Kris Commons (Andy Reid replacement and never got a look in when Reidy was there) our only really creative player. It's a different sort of team this time round; in a way, there aren't any real stand-out players that we rely on, it's just a team that has started, and kept on, playing really well. I think the team spirit is better than with the last manager, and they're trying to keep a lid on promotion talk and have been all season. Old Forest teams would never have won away games like that crunch match with West Brom. I think we'll get 1 or 2 decentish signings in this month - if we keep playing like we have done so far, I'd be confident that we'll be up there or in with a good chance in the playoffs. The squad is ok too, a few players that can come in to fill if we get a couple of injuries, but if McKenna or Gunter get injured I don't think we've got as good players on the bench. Same for when Nicky Shorey's load ends - he has been steady in a position where it's back to having a square peg in a round hole when/if he goes back to Villa.
In short - it looks good at the moment, but it's a fickle confidence and Forest are more than capable of ballsing it up. And if you believe the manager, he doesn't want to go up anyway as it's too soon (hmm).