Subject: Can you access sokker?

plus all those people at work who cannot vote

Its my business I look at what I want when I want. ;)

Does everyone here run their own business. I thought entrepreneurs would be too busy to play Sokker.....?!

I have been more busy lately but I am taking a well earned day of tomorrow. ;)

Although I do run my own businesses, I also work for someone else and I am never too busy to play Sokker!

Not just you. Our corporate loving company blocks sokker too. Not facebook, but sokker, yes.

I recommend whoever said about the sony ericsson. I use a k800 - which are dirt cheap now - with opera mini on a 3 contract with a £5 unlimited internet add on. It's perfect and never have time for sokker at home any more (he says, typing from his phone while losing at poker).

as in the golden arches? shame on you. you are a whore to the anti-christ

Hey, I am not saying that I love the job, but I have been there 13.5 years and it pays me damn good money to keep my family eating food and safe and warm, so who the f*** are you to say that to me? I dont get into the politics of what goes on behind the scenes or get involved in any of the arguments, I turn up do my job and get paid. It is a job at the end of the day, that is all it is to me, not some personal love of mine.

no offence meant to you, just to your employer. hey we do what we have to do... but at 13.5 yrs & "damn good money" i take it that makes you management, and reasonably high level at that? therefore you have to take some responsibility for the corporate entity you work for. I was a whore to the financial services industry for years, and spent 3 of those making people redundant. i was paid very nicely indeed for making people redundant post 9/11. i could not live with myself doing it. the "whore" may have come over harsgh, but was meant toungue in cheek... the "antichrist" does not go nearly far enough in describing McD's

Ooooh! You meant MacWhore! jpk will you sue me now?

after 13.5 years, jpk assimilated McD's goals as his own, he is now one with the machine... albeit that being somewhat of an ugly machine. (Only for the Antichrist reference) Let us pray for his damned soul.

There are worse organizations in the world than McDonalds, surely ?

To quote the philosopher and occasional song-writer Paul Weller, the public gets what the public wants. To blame the ills of society upon a company that provides cheap and occasionally cheerful food seems a bit harsh when the US Republican party exists.

its not the food its the ethic. read fast food nation - it gives an excellent breakdown of the crimes against society perpetrated by McDs.

Ok, I haven't read it, but if the ethics are that unappealing / people were that bothered about ethics then people wouldn't go. The fact is that 85% of the population don't give a stuff about ethics when they want a greaseball in a bun with fries. Not to mention that any large corporation will end up treading on peoples toes. If you do more good than bad, and try to avoid further bad stuff, does that make you good ?

And anyway, if it wasn't for McDonalds being the only thing open in Calais on a Sunday when we were there, we would have starved ! :)

McDs aren't exactly unique in that regard, now though, are they..? They're a good one to hate unconditionally though, so anti-corporate kudos to you. Who next, Microsoft? Woo, yeah. There are economies of scale that are inherent in a business being small -> global in terms of its impact. Nearly every company will do whatever they can to maximise profits, particularly if they a) reckon they might get away with it and b) the repercussions of being caught aren't too taxing. The bigger the company the more impact they're going to have. Name a global brand that isn't.
One that bugs me is that fines for environmental crimes are pitiful across the board for small and big naughtiness e.g. if you're unlicensed and accepting hazardous waste; you turn a huge profit when the fines for getting caught are £30k or so. When you're making £100ks a week then you're not going to be bothered about that.
Also, remember Ford - when they produced a car with a petrol tank that was a critical safety risk they did a cba and worked out it would be cheaper to produce it anyway and deal with compensation claims from people killed due to the deisign, than it would to go back to the drawing board!
Governments do the same thing too, only with more focus on votes and slightly less on money.
I guess the point I'm making is, if you were to walk into a room full of absolute bar-stewards; why shout and scream at one of them - they're all as bad as each other. personally I'd be slightly dubious about the bloke in the corner absorbing all the information in the room and, somewhat surprisingly, offering me my favourite tipple without even being asked (Google).

am agree.

I remember a time many moons ago when I was in Kent and a local chemical company poisoned a fishing lake by illegal dumping and they got got fined £300 even though the lake was a no-go area for 10 years afterwards. The same company a few years later in France did something similar and the judge said he would fine them the same as the judge in England had - smiles all round in the defence - until he added, "per fish." total fine £8100000. We all laughed quite a lot. Even now we don't have decent punishments in this country for environmental crimes.

Google ? You hate Google ? What for ? Storing information ? Ok, so their adwords tool makes them billions, but that's because they were smart enough to take their only product and apply an auction system to it. And as a Pay Per Click user, I'm happy to say that with patience and some applied common sense, it can work cheaply. All they will do with all the stuff they collect is work out how people work, so that they can improve their tools. Doesn't sound so bad does it ?
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