Subject: Joe Cole?

Wow you really do spout some bollocks and can't see the wood for the trees at all.

He overachieved with Houlier's ageing team and had little choice in selling Owen seeing that he stated that he wanted away and had 1 year left on his contract which he was willing to run down just like Mcmanaman had done before him. Anyway what has Owen and Murphy done since leaving seeing that you think they were obviously class and better then what Rafa assembled before leaving.

Come to think of it what has any of Houlier's great team achieved since Rafa replaced them? To save you some time researching these are the first team that are no longer at Liverpool.........

Jerzy Dudek
Stéphane Henchoz
Steve Finnan
Sami Hyypiä
Milan Baroš
Harry Kewell
Emile Heskey
El Hadji Diouf
Michael Owen
Vladimír Šmicer
Paul Jones
Danny Murphy
Salif Diao
Dietmar Hamann
John Arne Riise
Anthony Le Tallec
Djimi Traoré
Chris Kirkland
Florent Sinama-Pongolle
Igor Bišćan
Richie Partridge
Bruno Cheyrou
Patrice Luzi
John Welsh
Neil Mellor
Darren Potter
Jon Otsemobor
Paul Harrison

Rafa had to totally rebuild and you can't do that all in one go unless you have the sort of bottomless pit of money that Chelsea and now Man City have. That means that while it's nice to have a team full of great players you have to step the quality up bit by bit and wheel and deal which he did an outstanding job with. It also means that for squad depth you have to sometimes take what you get get with your budget restrictions and sign a few free players for the short term like Pellegrino, Voronin and Degan. Josemi was another of those stop gap players unless you are suggesting that 2mill buys you a top class full back?

Saying Rafa spent a LOT of money is while true very somewhat shady, everyone spends a lot of money as seasons pass especially at the top and it's not taking into account net spend so if you are having to wheel and deal to raise the quality of the team your bought and sold are a LOT.

I get sick of seeing rubbish like this is lazy if nothing else to just spout crap without looking further into things, Alan Hansen should know better as well as other ex Liverpool players but they all seems to spout the same baseless crap. My memory is not great these days but I believe Rafa's net spend was something like 14 mill a season while he was at Liverpool and that included restocking the youth and reserve team too which is a fairly ordinary net spend for EPL teams. Liverpool actually made a profit in each of the last 4 transfer windows which should actually show how well they have done while other have been outspending them.

Are you seriously saying that only Rafa has bought some duds?

"then he completely ruined the clubs academy"
*Scratches head*
Premier Reserve League North champs 2007–08
Premier Reserve League National Champions 2007–08
Liverpool Senior Cup winners 2004, 2009, 2010
Lancashire Senior Cup winners 2010
FA Youth Cup winners 2006, 2007

Don't seem to be doing too badly to me.

There's being a good fan and loving your club with a passion and there's this :s

Are you aware of how pathetic you sound?

All that's the past mate....

Lets hope we can re-build a team that can move us forward.


Y.N.W.A

I didn't start this fire I'm just dousing pockets of flames that keep appearing. To be fair the people that I am responding to are only repeating the rubbish that the media keep churning out because they are too lazy to research or simply want to keep stirring it to sell papers ect but I wish people would try to look into things themselves instead of just taking what the media say as the truth.

Anyway some might find this interesting and current as regards some of these issues, if links to outside sites are not allowed feel free to moderate.

Benitez responds to Hodgson

True, opinions can be and are often different, it just gets me when things said are factually incorrect.

We have the new owners but for me we need to replace the manager for a clean start to hopefully a successful era. I believe the clause in Hodgson's contract is active until the 15th November or thereabouts, if he doesn't go by then it seems logical that he would stay at least the rest of the season which fills me with dread seeing that he thinks we need at least 5/6 players in January.

Does it worry you that turricant and mattius get twice the vote you get wenlock ?

it worries me.

That's because the people who agree with Wenlock like to keep quiet and laugh at the ridiculous, unpunctuated, barely legible comments that come from some "Liverpool fans". You call him pathetic, i just think he actually likes to know what he's talking about when it comes to a club he loves rather than just listening to the media dribble that comes out the newspapers and sky sports!

The fact that you're a Norwich fan worries me ;-)

What good youth players do Liverpool have (bar Pacheco)?
What great prospects are there?

Benitez spent huge amounts of money on:
Alberto Aquilani
Albert Riera
Robbie Keane
Momo Sissoko
Fernando Morientes
Ryan Babel

and more useless players

A complete list of players Benitez purchased:
Josemi 2m, Malaga
2004 Xabi Alonso 10.5m, Real Sociedad GOOD PURCHASE Bad Sale
2004 Antonio Nunez 1.5m, Real Madrid
2004 Luis Garcia 6m, Barcelona GOOD PURCHASE
2005 Fernando Morientes 6.3m, Real Madrid
2005 Scott Carson 1m, Leeds United DECENT PURCHASE
2005 Mauricio Pellegrino Free, Valencia
2005 Peter Crouch 7m, Southampton ABOVE AVERAGE PURCHASE
2005 Pepe Reina 6m, Villarreal GOOD PURCHASE
2005 Mohamed Sissoko 5.6m, Auxerre
2005 Antonio Barragan Free, Sevilla
2005 Bolo Zenden Free, Middlesbrough
2005 Godwin Antwi Free, Real Zaragoza
2005 Besian Idrizaj Free, LASK Linz R.I.P.
2005 Jack Hobbs 750k, Lincoln City
2005 Miki Roque Free, Lleida
2005 Paul Anderson Swap deal, Hull City
2006 Robbie Fowler Free, Manchester City SORT OF
2006 Jan Kromkamp Swap deal, Villarreal
2006 Ryan Crowther Free, Stockport County
2006 Daniel Agger 8.5m, Brondby ABOVE AVERAGE
2006 David Martin 250k, MK Dons
2006 Craig Bellamy 6m, Blackburn Rovers
2006 Mark Gonzalez 1.5m, Albacete
2006 Gabriel Paletta 2m, Banfield
2006 Fabio Aurelio Free, Valencia
2006 Martin Hansen Free, Brondby
2006 Dirk Kuyt 9m, Feyenoord GOOD PURCHASE
2006 Nabil El Zhar Free, Saint Etienne
2006 Astrit Ajdarevic Free, Falkensberg
2007 Alvaro Arbeloa 3m, Deportivo La Coruna
2007 Alex Cooper 100k, Ross County
2007 Jordy Brouwer Free, Ajax
2007 Francisco Duran Undisclosed, Malaga
2007 Ronald Huth Undisclosed, Tacuary
2007 Daniele Padelli Loan, Sampdoria
2007 Javier Mascherano 18m, West Ham GOOD PURCHASE
2007 Jermaine Pennant 6.7m, Birmingham City
2007 Yossi Benayoun 5m, West Ham GOOD PURCHASE
2007 Lucas 6m, Gremio
2007 Andras Simon Undisclosed, MTK Hungeria
2007 Dean Bouzanis Undisclosed, New South Wales
2007 Krisztian Nemeth Undisclosed, MTK Hungeria
2007 Ryan Babel 11.5m, Ajax
2007 Daniel Pacheco Undisclosed, Barcelona GOOD PURCHASE
2007 Fernando Torres Atletico Madrid GOOD PURCHASE
2007 Andriy Voronin Free, Bayer Leverkusen
2007 Sebastian Leto 1.5m, Lanus
2007 Gary Stevens Free, Ross County
2007 Mikel San Jose Dominguez Undisclosed, Athletic Bilbao
2007 Daniel Sanchez Ayala Free, Sevilla Atletico
2007 Gerardo Bruna Free, Real Madrid
2007 David Amoo Free, Millwall
2007 Damien Plessis Free, Lyon
2007 Emiliano Insua Swap deal, Boca Juniors
2007 Charles Itandje Free, RC Lens EVIL SCUM
2007 Lauri Dalla Valle Free, Jippo Gone now... :(
2008 Martin Skrtel 6m, Zenit St Petersburg GOOD PURCHASE
2008 Andrea Dossena 7m, Udinese
2008 Vincent Weijl Free, AZ Alkmaar
2008 Vitor Coutinho Flora Free, Botafogo
2008 Robbie Keane 19m, Tottenham
2008 Diego Cavalieri 3m, Palmeiras
2008 Nikola Saric 500k, Herfolge
2008 Emmanuel Mendy Free, Murcia
2008 David Ngog 1.5m Paris St Germain SORT OF
2008 Philipp Degen Free, Borussia Dortmund
2008 Peter Gulacsi Free, MTK Hungaria
2008 Zsolt Poloskei Loan, MTK Hungaria
2008 Albert Riera 8m, Espanyol
2008 Christopher Buchtmann Free, Borussia Dortmund
2009 Victor Palsson 250k, Aarhus
2009 Glen Johnson 18m, Portsmouth GOOD PURCHASE
2009 Chris Mavinga Undisclosed, Paris St Germain
2009 Nikolaj Kohlert Undisclosed, Esbjerg
2009 Sotirios Kyrgiakos 2m, AEK Athens
2009 Alberto Aquilani 20m, Roma
2010 Raheem Sterling 500k, Queens Park Rangers
2010 Maxi Rodriguez Free, Athletico Madrid
2010 Jamie Stephens Undisclosed, Swindon Town
2010 Jonjo Shelvey 1.7m, Charlton Athletic Could be

An incredibly large list of a lot of rubbish.

Benitez started well, but that was it.

wenlock, you need to look at what you wrote.

The likes of Kirkland, Carson and Heskey's careers were ruined by Benitez.

I hate to break the news to you, but the academy is failing and the squad is very old, and taking Hodgson's signings out of the equation the squad is still very old.

Rodriguez saved your arse against bolton :P

Also, saying N'gog is a sort of decent signing is a bit weird, he seems useless every time I see him play.

Look at every other match Maxi Rodriguez has played in, then tell me he's a good player

Amen, maxi is crap even if he did save us at the weekend

Jonjo shelvey looks an awesome player, confident on the ball and likes to get forward, a better version of fat frank, even if he is 17 and bald as a coot.
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Look at every other match Maxi Rodriguez has played in, then tell me he's a good player

I'd rather set my hair on fire and beat it out with a shovel :)

Twice the vote?

Wenlock has some really valid points.

Respect is due.

Err, that was kind of my point.

It worries me that you and mattius have twice the say in who runs this country than he does, as he probably has a hundred times more idea of who should.

its just differences of opinion, neither is right or wrong. but if you think that, you are very wrong.

nothing personal mattius old chap, just that some are more capable than others.