Subject: Bargain?

well I'm relatively new here myself, but I have a few seasons under my belt. From what I can recall, I ran my JS with an excellent coach and 6 slots for my first 2 seasons. Not much profit, just enough to make sure I could get by with the sale or 2. When I got to B league, I expanded my school to 15 slots and Outstanding JC. Still haven't really made a profit this season, but in the next 10-12 weeks, I'll be sending out quite a few juniors who have been in my school since week 1 of last season. As of a few weeks ago, I upgraded to a brilliant JC, and I can say that I have loved it, although no one has come out yet. =[

But as of now, my JS is full. 15/15 with an average rating of good. I have 2 guys who are right now, "excellent" who still have 10 weeks left a piece. I have another 3-4 guys who are at VG with more than 10 weeks left, so once you get it to a point where you are happy, all it takes is patience.

yeah im thinking about getting rid of the JC all together but i have a couple juniors due on the next few weeks. hopefully they will come out and sell for at least a little bit...

is the ony way to increase sponsorship income through promotion to a higher league? even if i win all my matches they all hover around barely anything....

is it common to be losing money friday night? or is it just cause i am overextending my club?

you get more money buy winning, your team getting better, and the other teams in your league getting better.

if you aren't losing money on friday night you're not spending enough.

Good idea, I think. Wait with the YS until you can afford at least a formidable coach and 10 juniors.

I believe it's fairly common to run a weekly deficit. I try to keep it under $20k per week (that's after adding the ticket income from the league and and friendly). That way I run up about $250k deficit in a season and it is offset by my end-of-the-season bonus.

ivysafety and coachmark


Show me proof cut and pasted from your transfer history or value of a current player u have. All ya all like to talk and then demand everyone else show proof. Show proof that the juniors you got in C league from your youth school (not your squad given to you when you started) with your very good or whatever junior coach actually have a high value now or sold for a lot of money. Keep in mind your trying to prove that these players value or money made was worth more then whatever invested during that time. I highly doubt it and think this misconception is screwing a lot of newbies.. I could be wrong, but I just want some evidence.
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firstly, its ya'll down here in texas. secondly, i'd be happy to. i'll only show guys who were pulled while i was in c league. not the ones who where in my school when i was in c and then came out while i was in b, because there would be more... hows that. i'll give you three. i pulled and trained these guys while i had a 12 spot junior school and either an excellent or an outstanding coach. granted i had a lot of useless crap pulled. but these three easily paid for me to have that coach and those spots. 12 spots time 3 seasons plus at most an outstanding coach for 14k is roughly $1 mil USD. so basically these three guys have paid for all the other guys i had a chance at producing(and did produce as they were in school) and the little sums here and there i did make.

Randall Wallace,
came out an outstanding 18. 4.5 week talent
poor stamina, tragic keeper
adequate pace, adequate defender
good technique, adequate playmaker
adequate passing, weak striker
now
formidable stamina tragic gk
incredible pace solid defender
excellent tech formidable playmaker
very good passing average striker

Pierre barker was an 18 yo formidable pull looking like this.
adequate stamina, tragic keeper
adequate pace, tragic defender
solid technique, poor playmaker
adequate passing, unsatisfactory striker

I just sold him at the start of the season as a 23 year old…
2009-01-17 Pierre Barker / from: Mauraders / to: Rosso Neri / price:1 100 000 $

one of my first pulls was 5.5 wk talent with exc junior coach
Ralph Estill came out:
weak stamina, tragic keeper
tragic pace, weak defender
good technique, solid playmaker
adequate passing, unsatisfactory striker

age: 22 (just marked a 55 as a mid.)
formidable stamina tragic keeper
excellent pace average defender
excellent technique incredible playmaker
very good passing weak striker


i have more and was probably the wrong person to challenge because for a long time more than half of my squad was home grown(10 of 19). it takes a season or two for a youth school to start paying dividends. whether you wait or do it from the start, either way you are going to have to give a youth school time. you can see none of these guys was extremely low talent. i had to have patience because of my lower level coaches.

in the end i don't think i'm screwing anyone up. i just have a different plan.

It doesn't matter what they are now, just what they looked like when you pulled them.

thats not what he asked for. and i disagree with the notion as well.

I didn't say thats what he asked for.

I don't care if you disagree or not, how well(or how bad) you train a player after pulling him is completely irrelevant when figuring the profit/loss margin of your youth school.


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i hate to say it, but Dagwood is right. the question boils down to what did you spend to get him and what have you received since he came out of youth school. in ivysafety's defense, the problem is that those who come out and join the regular team, rather than being sold, do need to be measured by how they have trained up with an eye to club win/loss record. a much harder number to work out--very subjective.

just so you know, i am not avoiding answering the question--it is in fact a great question. i work weekends and haven't had the time to fully work out the figures, yet. i'll post it as soon as i can, though.
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ok, lemme restate. i disagree with the context. i believe the youth school's primary purpose is to provide ME with useful players for training and development. eventually to be sold. thats how i judge a youth school. not by profit from the sale of those youth pulls. luck plays such a tremendous part of the distribution of talent that its impossible to say, beyond a shadow of a doubt, one way or the other, that its a bad idea to have a youth school. everyone plays the game differently and measures success, completely differently. if i had one pull who was a 16 year old striker and made $2mil off him immediately, would that make my youth school any more successful?

for me, a youth school, and the players it can provide, especially to a young team, is very substantial and essential to the game.
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i use both, actually, which is what makes it so difficult to track cost-benefit.

I'm not disagreeing with the purpose of a youth school.

but if i'm pulling a guy from my youth school, i look at it as a purchase, with however much i already have invested in him. the amount i sell him for later is the profit from both the cost to train him and the cost to get him through my youth school.

i don't get what you are disagreeing with.
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The profit/loss of a youth school is determined by the number of slots you have open plus the cost of your youth coach minus the amount you could sell a fresh pull for.

If a fresh pull is worth 20k and you train him for several weeks and sell him for 500k your youth school DID NOT profit 480k. Instead your regular training program profited that 480k.

then how do you account for aquisition cost of the trainee?

with skill distribution being what it is, and player draws being what they are, then it seems to be that your position is that a youth school might never be profitable... and therefore should never be used by anyone with out money to waste. and if thats true and people are wasting money on it, then why does anyone have a youth school?