Subject: [NT] USA

totally agree, good teams make sure players get training anyway,

Congratulations. It hasn't been an easy season, but it's good to see the USA in the finals.

However, it was failure after failure, until I set aside a season to give young players a chance. Your opinion of American self-praise doesn't quite match up with the team's results.

I agree with you, the player quality and training is down to the managers. We do in England now have an U21 manager who is really on top of ensuring each player with potential is getting trained and by the best managers if possible. This is starting to take affect and we are seeing better depth of players, I would also say that Triglio our main NY coach has a fairly young team atm, but he has worked hard to scout players and replaced the elder players with equally skilled younger players. We are finally starting ti rise up the rankings again too.

The only thing I would say is there is minimal training for platers in official matches and I would guess a nice tactical experience boost too? I had a keeper which I have since sold, he was maybe the best keeper in the world, 27 yrs old 2 x super divine and unearthly passing too but his tactical experience would never rise above outstanding because the NT manager would not play him because they had a keepers with better tactical experience but less in skills (usually passing).

It's great to see countries like the US qualify and others such as Senegal for the first time too.

I endorse these words, which go hand in hand with the good results in England. And that's what changed in the USA during the season I was here. The young players who are now important in the USA were given a “push” at the right time.

People need to understand that when a player doesn't play for the national team, the high experience level is often only reached when the skills are already dropping. And that way, you never get the best of both worlds. But to learn this, it's important to have the humility to be available for learning.

Let me back up your point with some concrete data. The U21 players I coached in season 71 are now 24 years old, and when I left, there was room for improvement. I don't see the qualities of the 24-year-olds, but by the time they're 27, they'll make a great U.S. National Team.

Of course, that's the important work - keeping tabs on every young player that might have a NT potential, ensuring he gets good training and goes to good club etc.

That's how NTs like Bulgaria or Greece thrived, the communities made sure they maxed their potential. Same thing was done here with Adivip and Norbert before, of course not to the same extent as Camus is doing in England with graphs, tables etc, but they tried to find good training clubs to best players & trained them by themselves.

Claiming that giving 3 or 4 games to a 24yo in NT is responsible for a successful WCQ campaign 3 seasons laters is laughable.

I can't comment on that as I don't have context to the conversation. My only experience is of my keeper having issue climbing in tactical experience and the only thing he was missing was the full international games.

Claiming that giving 3 or 4 games to a 24yo in NT is responsible for a successful WCQ campaign 3 seasons laters is laughable.

I share Borkos's opinion. It's one thing to give 24-year-old players several games, but it's quite another to see the United States qualify for the World Cup three seasons later. What's more, in his first season with the national team, they already qualified for the World Cup.

The United States has achieved two consecutive qualifications against powerful opponents like Venezuela, which won a bronze medal and reached the quarterfinals in the last two World Cups.

For example, 24-year-old Alfred O'Shea is averaging 80 for his club team. (ATT)

It must be ridiculous not to see this player improve over the course of three seasons.

Players improve in clubs not in NT so I don't really see your point...

What % of extra training does a competitive NT game give again? Lets says 96% from a league game and does it give the additional 4%?

90 official + 90 NT = extra 2.6% from NT

2.6% extra equals 1 extra 96% training every 37 games played, assuming you get 0 injuries in 37 NT games

add to that the fact that such players often already get 99-100% from club games....

Even based on the Mustafaatik's example (24-year-old Alfred O'Shea)

He's played 1 NT game since he left u21 (12.2024) so 1 NT game in 3 seasons / 9 months - saying that "playing in NT made him improve" doesn't make any sense, he was 99.9% trained in club

and what is the difference for tactical discipline?