Subject: New USA Teams

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1- [649854] rmerino11 (mail) - Miami Florida (2008-11-05)
2- [650720] dasgtin123 (mail) - St.Louis United Missouri (2008-11-06)
3- [650951] Davison (mail) - Sunderland AFC California (2008-11-07)
4- [651554] Brye8154 (mail) - Big Green York (2008-11-08)
5- [651896] mymemory (mail) - MyMemory York (2008-11-08)
6- [651964] mrf1292 (mail) - Cheltenham Panthers Pennsylvania (2008-11-08)

Another batch of B-League designees...

must be nice

lambs to the slaughter... i had 3 new teams in my b for a while. two left, the other is getting destroyed and will probably autorelegate. very successful plan so far...

you guys complained when people didn't have enuf human competition, now you're also complaining when the competition is too hard?

Guacamole, you know darn well that wasn't our argument against this idea. We predicted that newbies would get discouraged after being hammered in B-leagues and it's happening. Newbies sent directly to B lose a couple by 0:10 and quit the game. It is too difficult for them. If you have evidence otherwise, show it to me.

The number of US players is now only about 300 and even that is probably inflated. At least I know that one team in my C-league listed as human is effectively a bot. The owner logged on only once in Sept (yes, as a newbie he was sent directly to B last season) and you didn't remove him in your latest purge...

On the other hand, it is only midseason and it's waaay too early for the bitch thread to start :-)
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yea now its worst of both worlds, newbie bashing in B and newbie loneliness in C which isnt improving because the newbies are being placed in B and getting bashed

i really think wed have more users with 32 c leagues

i know that wasn't your argument. But there was a massive complaint about adding teams to mostly open c-leagues so they made this change so that teams would start with opponents.


regarding purges, would it be better for me to leave these teams? Are old but currently unused teams better competition than pure bots?

I can leave the old teams (sooner or later another admin will wander thru and purge likely tho, even if i tell on the admin forum not to).

Financially it has to be better for those B league teams to leave the bots.

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Allright, let the bitching begin :-))))

First two disclosures:
1. I realize that this entire discussion is pointless but I enjoy bitching anyway (As you might have noticed, I am the highest ranked C-leaguer on the spammers list)
2. I actually benefited personally A LOT from this rule and yet I'm against it. You see how noble I am - putting greater good first.

Now to the point:
you write : there was a massive complaint about adding teams to mostly open c-leagues. Complaints from whom? And if there indeed were complaints about adding teams to mostly open C-leagues, why don't you compress C-leagues and add newbies to selected C-leagues only. You will have newbies competing against other newbies with similar skills and teams, not against much stronger teams in B. That would let the newbies develop at their own pace while having competitors at a reasonable level. But I guess we've talked about this before...

Regarding purges, I don't know if it matters. The team I mentioned is a very weak team created for a newbie in B at the end of last season. It got demoted and is no better than other bots in the league. I mentioned it only to emphasize that the official number of US players (312 as of today) is inflated.

I guess Dagwood was talking about loss of income in B-leagues if a strong bot is replaced by a weak newbie.

STOP THIS INSANITY! The number of US players has dropped since you started putting newbies in B. What is the retention now? I bet it is worse than before!
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there's not a rule on a country-by-country basis. it's across all of sokker that this is being evaluated.

and btw, i don't put newbies anywhere. I just accept them and the code puts them randomly.

I didn't mean you personally. It was a plural "you" and meant anybody that participated in devising the scheme to distribute newbies, whether by doing it manually, or writing a code to do it.

i also don't participate in the scheme to distribute newbies ;)

I had a great recommendation which wasn't listened to :)

I had a great recommendation which wasn't listened to :)

That's why I said it's a pointless discussion...
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