Subject: »[Junior]USA Youth Roll Call

I am just loving how good my magical coach is at talent evaluation. This is an "excellent" youth promotion. WTF?

Ephraim Bender, Age:18
club: Manchester City USA, country: USA
Value: 36 000 $, Wage: 675 $
very good Form, tragic Tactical discipline
height: 174

average stamina, hopeless keeper
good pace, hopeless defender
weak technique, weak playmaker
poor passing, average striker

Addy Piazza, age 18
value: 43 250 $
wage: 775 $
very good [9] form

weak [4] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
tragic [0] pace tragic [0] defender
weak [4] technique good [7] playmaker
weak [4] passing good [7] striker

yeah. i'm getting ready to sut down my youth school. since the "new" changes to youth school i've pulled to players higher than formidable. even when i was in the youth leagues, i didn't see much improvement to training, recognition, or anthing else. the only good thing about the school now is i see the age. which allows me to cut poor 18 year olds 30 weeks out.

You got screwed by the stamina. If defender and stamina were swapped, would you still be confused?

Well anyone who comes out as excellent with a value of $66k regardless of form, yeah I would still be confused.

he could very well have been only a solid pull, as you did not play him in jr games so the coaches evaluation was not accurate

not having a YS saves me a little over 1M per season, i havent second guessed closing mine =D

but if everyone took that approach the US national teams would suck-diddly-uck in no time.

You are all crazy. Outstanding YS pull. Untrainable by me. Foster Shull [21388085]. Sold for $3.5m. One decent sale pays for seasons worth of pulls.

i only pulled a youth that was worth over 1M right out of the youth squad about 3 times in my 20 seasons of having said youth squad

its funny you are on that side of the argument because judging by your JR history, you have been pretty much in the same boat as me. your example of foster (which only happened a few weeks ago) is the only time that has happened for you and is an extremely lucky/rare occurrence, but you play the 'decent' sale off like it happens all the time

I actually have decent pulls, but no ridiculously good ones. I mostly keep them on my b-team and train them a while, and make a few bucks on them (I do a fair amount of pace training). A good example is this guy:

Shawn McCanen, age: 20
Value: 289500 $, wage: 2325 $
Team: Nanook of the North, country: USA
Form: divine

Tactical Discipline: very good (3 Experience, 16 Team Work)

Stamina: good, Keeper: unsatisfactory
Pace: very good, Defender: excellent
Technique: good, Playmaker: formidable
Passing: excellent, Striker: poor


(Player posting generated by Sokker Manager)

He came out at in October as an 18 year old with very mediocre stats, so he wasn't really sellable for anything. But since he was YS 3.5'ish, I've been giving him general training and pace training. Since I pulled him, he's had 6 pace pops, and GT pops in every other stat (literally). He's now going to become a standard B-team trainee for me, and I'll sell him for $2m or so next season.

I am going to do the same thing with the below guy, although he's probably going to sell earlier next season as a 19 year old:

Baxter Fraser, age: 18
Value: 97250 $, wage: 1200 $
Team: Nanook of the North, country: USA
Form: poor

Tactical Discipline: solid (1 Experience, 15 Team Work)

Stamina: good, Keeper: hopeless
Pace: formidable, Defender: weak
Technique: adequate, Playmaker: good
Passing: unsatisfactory, Striker: average


(Player posting generated by Sokker Manager)

Again, this talented by low value YS guy has only gotten pace and GT. He'll be outstanding pace with good tech early next season. Good striker trainee, eh? He'll sell for about $2m as well, I think. Maybe more if I get lucky with a 2nd tech pop in that time (he's due - he's never had one, and I'm going to train him in that too).


Some other examples of YS pulls that got the same kind of GT and pace training in the last 9 months or so:

Henock Owsley [18212909] - $890k sale price
Alfie Collings [20353131] - $250k sale price
Lucien Cyrus [17679549] - $309k sale price
Gavin Abraham [19161283] - $231k sale price

Last, I often get out-of-nowhere messages like this one:

"Club received 46 600 $ from transfer of junior Theodore Fulton." I sold this no value pull for $5600 a year ago, and his second transfer basically paid for my coach's wages this week.
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I mostly keep them on my b-team and train them a while, and make a few bucks on them

you are missing the point. that statement and your other examples are irrelevant, you should only be counting immediate estimated value right after the pull as credit to your youth squad

if you can buy the same players (as they are RIGHT AFTER PULLING) on the TL for less than the 1.25M, you wasted money. instead of spending 1.25M per season on your youthsquad, count it as in the bank, or if you want a trainee take that money and shop the TL for players with the EXACT skill distribution you want instead of leaving it to chance, in my experience it is better spent that way

We are saying different things. You cannot buy an apparently valueless trainee on the TL with certainty that the trainee is TALENTED. Most folks don't sell talented trainees, so you end up with crap on your b-team that never will be worth anything. When I pull mediocre trainees from my YS that are talented, I keep them, knowing that I can get enough pops to make money on them. If you know a way to buy talented cheap trainees on the TL for less than the cost of that trainee's weekly movement through your YS (at most $60k or so, which is $30k for up to 30 weeks + the pro rata wage each week for my YS coach), then you are smarter than I. But for $60k, I regularly pull trainees that will sell for between $250k up to $3m, and get decent additional income from future transfers.

Given that I ignore my stadium (it is much smaller than most teams, even yours, and has no roof), I have never changed ticket prices and my supporter number is relatively small, I would think that my constantly having millions of dollars to spend on trainees and starters is proof that my economic theory works pretty well - WHERE DO YOU THINK THE MONEY COMES FROM???? :)

lol that 60k figure is quite dishonest and misleading

You are right - it is closer to $75k, actually.

Figure I keep a full YS of 25 or so, and the average time in the YS is 25 weeks (it is probably lower on one and higher on the other, so they even out.) It costs me $25k for the trainee in for 25 weeks. That's $1k a week My coach's wage is $58k. That's about $2k a week. Figure $3k/week/trainee. That's $75k. I dump every trainee I have if they are not talented OR are not coming out better than excellent, so I don't get many actual pulls that are worth less than $5k or so.

Could someone highlight the less obvious changes to the youth system?

I mean it sounds like they nerfed the crap out of it, but then said hey, if you participate in junior leagues, you can actually have what you used to have all along - again.