Subject: [NT] Player Transfers

This is a big privilege for any Aussies coach, Def line looks good and stable for upcoming few seasons :) With few more still in training/u21

One who's not quite NT level, but could be a handy pick up for most A-League level clubs is on the transfer list.

Brent Colli, age: 24
club: Galatasaray SK, country: Australia
value : 1 658 000 AU$
wage: 24 760 AU$
excellent [10] form
incredible [13] tactical discipline
height: 183 cm, weight: 81.7 kg, BMI: 24.4

excellent [10] stamina tragic [0] keeper
magical [15] pace unearthly [16] defender
adequate [6] technique good [7] playmaker
outstanding [12] passing solid [8] striker

Placing this guy here just to talk about him, I don't think he is actually worth the listing price myself

Currently on the TL, this is one defender I'm shocked didn't play more for the senior NT. He obviously wasn't trained to double SD which is where our NT is at, which is a shame, as he was a bit of a star in his age group.

If he was cheaper, I'd buy him just because of the memories of using him in the u21s

Perry Houston, age: 31

club: Mangles FC, country: Australiavalue : 2 557 200 AU$wage: 45 120 AU$magical [15] formbrilliant [14] tactical disciplineheight: 178 cm, weight: 73.1 kg, BMI: 23.07bookings:   

formidable [11] stamina poor [3] keeper unearthly [16] pace divine [17] defender adequate [6] technique verygood [9] playmaker
solid [8] passing adequate [6] striker
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awful tech too

$2.5m? Tell 'im he's dreaming!

I think his low tech would be what's limiting his eligibility for senior NT, rather than his pace/def level.

I think there's a few things.
Probably had his training stopped mid 20s

I think he was skewed with very high defense and lower pace? Maybe I’m thinking if someone else though.

Skills when he left u21s

Incredible (13) Pace
Brilliant (14) Defender

Poor Technique, Average Passing, Adequate Playmaker.

Perry was number 1 for his age group as a defender but as I go back and look, I realise I had him mixed up with Tommy Houston who is a couple of years younger, had Unearthly (16) defender when leaving u21s and better secondaries.

Tommy Houston looks like he has been completely wasted by the team who bought him almost 2years ago. At the time of him graduating, only 4 defenders had been better than him for Aus during my tenure.

Although most of the blame should be on the person who bought him, it also has to be on the NT coaches over those seasons because there are always ways to convince people to sell or train someone (this may not have been the case with Tommy as some managers are just stubborn).

Definitely shows why long term coaches are what countries need, because temporary coaches don't focus on the future

I probably had a few of those seasons depending on how old T Houston is. P Houston I would have had the buttons.

I get what you’re saying but I think that’s a bit strong of a statement. There are ways you can try to negotiate but in many cases the ones not getting trained are exactly the same as the managers who wouldn’t listen unless you paid them double what they paid. When you don’t even attempt to negotiate and just let it slide that’s probably where I would agree that’s management issue.

We don’t own the players, they do. Ultimately it’s their call what they choose to do and that needs to be taken into account that you will lose players if you sell and it doesn’t go to someone locally who will continue to train them. Most users don’t care about NT anyway. There are a lot who do but it’s still the minority

Totally agree with You. Back when I was Nippon NT coach I had guys who were not reading my messages, even thou he had 8 players that were NT level. IIRC in Australia there were similar situation.

I wouldn't it's a strong statement to say " most of the blame should be on the person who bought him", but that there is some blame to be had on the NT coach.
Im not even talking specifically these players, but in general.
No different to if me, when I was u21 coach, let a potential NT player get fired (and not saved by being in the squad with a match under their belt" because someone thought they werent good enouogh to train. Most of that blame is on the person firing but also somewhat on me

This will be my last response to this as I don’t want to end up in circles if we disagree and would rather end it but I’m also happy to give you a chance to respond to this should you wish. The way your first was written said in any situation such a player is also the fault of the NT manager(even if not the main fault) and that there is always a way to avoid that through negotiating etc etc. I’m saying that’s a strong statement because for one thing in most cases the NT manager has 0 control and that there isn’t always a way to get the result you want. I also went on to say that in almost all those cases where players aren’t trained the manager is unlikely to negotiate in the first place. The ones that are generally are already training them. That’s not the NT managers fault in any scenario if they’ve done all they can.

That doesn’t mean as an NT manager you don’t try, which is where I will say fault also lies with the NT manager. That’s really the only time. As for players being sacked etc again that’s something an NT manager can control but again it’s not a guaranteed process. You only have 40 slots and you can’t play 40+ players in a single game so you will lose out some in that space as well. You have to do the best with what you have. The U21 is unique in that there is high turnover so it nah be more feasible to manage that part but the senior side is pretty set and then you constantly have to work out if you keep 22yos in the squad cap at the expense of someone who may be better just because the 22yo is the next generation. It’s a juggling act and you can’t protect everyone.

Not really an issue of fault and blame. But if we're losing some, there may be an opportunity to better track and manage those with NT potential for the best in breed young players.

We do pretty well at keeping our most promising kids and training them to NT level. And all our NT managers have been proactive in encouraging good training for players on a path to the NT.

There are a lot of players in the void between U21 NT and senior NT. One thing you did really well for U21 NT was communicating which players were the best at each year level. Maybe a similar report each half year for players over 22yo would have a similar affect of encouraging managers to keep up their training through those 22-25 years. That would be a lot of work though in an already taxing workload.

I believe I covered that entire paragraph with my one line "some managers are just stubborn"

This is why I feel my statement is perfectly appropriate as I attributed most of the blame to the person who bought the player, some of it to the NT manager who didn't try, and for those that did try, a very acceptable reason why in some players cases, it is unavoidable.