Subject: Youth players

It depends. Like has the player popped twice in pace in 3 weeks or just the once in 3 weeks? Just the once and you don't know whether that was a low solid or a high solid to start with. Now that you've registered a single pop, it's the next one and how many weeks that takes to go from say vg to excellent that will provide more detail. If it was 3 weeks for 2 pops to get to vg, then I'd expect it to be 3-4 weeks to excellent. If it's 3 weeks to excellent I think they'll be much better than average talent but if it drops to say 4 weeks or 5 weeks, then it's looking a lot more like around average. Basically, that's why you need more data points so you can work out the progression and the longer they keep ticking over at 3/4 weeks the more likely they are above average talent wise. It's not particularly noticeable in the early levels or younger age group. Much more noticeable when you hit the formidable mark onwards or players start reaching their early 20's.

You also need to exclude things like weeks where they didn't play and therefore didn't receive training, did play but not in the position that gives the player training (pace and stamina are the only exceptions where full training is given regardless of position), other skills that aren't being trained etc because all of these will tend to result in much longer periods of time.
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I personally think that's a really good talent if he takes just 3 weeks for solid to very good. Most of my players take 4 weeks to pop from solid to very good and as you go higher up, players will take more weeks to pop from one skill level to another. For example, I have a player who took 5 weeks for very good to excellent and 6 weeks for excellent to formidable.

Depends if it's 3 weeks from say 8.0 to 9.0 or if its 3 weeks from 8.6 to 9.0. Also depends if they're playing 2 games a week or 1 etc. Most of mine that I have went from solid to vg in 4 as well but I know they can't be super talented because there was no notice of them when they were TL'd.

I also notice that this player has only played in the one side so it's either a player from their youth school (which by the sounds of the previous response might be unlikely) or it's a default player from when the club started. It's rare for anything from a starting player list to have talent (not impossible mind you).

In any case if you do go down the road of a youth school, do not overdo it. It's a bit of a money sink in the short run and is easy to waste money needlessly. You can only have 6 join a week (you need like 10 or so to actually enter the junior league competition), so never set the capacity to more than 6 above what you have. If you have 0 set the limit to 6, if you have 6 set the limit to 12 etc. Max is 30 but early on keep your numbers as low as possible and just remove your 6 worst juniors (which can be based on age they'll come out as, skill level or how quickly they're changing levels). Problem is they changed the system years ago, so there is now so much random involved with levels that the best you can do fairly quickly anyway is approximate it using a linear regression and work out what the slope of the coefficient is and then divide that by 1 to work out how many weeks it takes to go up 1 level (or even easier use tools available that keep track of this stuff for you).

Hey mate,
Good work for tracking the dates of training for the pops, that is a great start.

Now as cometer said, we really need to wait at least one more pop to determine talent.

This is because when he was solid, you don't know whether he was the bottom end of Solid (ie 8.01) or close to popping already (like 8.9).

What we do know now, is he is now towards the bottom end of Very Good. So when he pops to Excellent you will have been training him for an entire level.

If this takes 3 weeks as a 19yo from VG to Excellent, I'd say he has a very good talent. If it takes 6 weeks, I would say his talent is pretty rubbish.

I would recommend using this site Sokker Asistente. Jjust register, log in, then once logged in, log in again to update your players. If you log in and update once a week (you can do it more, it won't mess it up), say every thursday or friday or whatever works for you, it will track both your seniors and juniors.

The junior talent works quite well, but they really need to be in the youth school for about 10 weeks before you can get an idea of talent.

The senior section is a bit confusing, and I see what the developer is doing, but it's not very intuitive. However, you can count the weeks between pops, and you also see all the weeks where they didn't train in that skill.

Now when you first register, it won't have any data, but as you log in regularly, more data builds, your talents etc become more accurate, and you don't have to do a lot of thinking (which I like the most).


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Here's my latest junior and what it looks like on the site.
As you can see by the graph, I have been logging in each week for quite a long time.
It plots every level the "coach" told me he was, found a line of best fit, and worked out his most likely talent.

For this guy, his talent is 4.8

Now as you can see, if I only took the first 8-10weeks he probably would have been calculated as having a better talent then he actually does, but you can only work with what data you have at the time



If you look behind the graph, and follow that talent column, you will see some players who don't have a number in the talent column. This is because they haven't been there long enough to get even a rough estimate of talent. Over time a number will appear, and with even more time, it will get closer to that players actual talent.

Solid Talent 4.8

Steven Greenwood, age: 18, sum[27]
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club: Achmids Soul, country: Australia,
value: 85 600 AU$, wage: 1 400 AU$,
very good form, tragic tactical discipline,
height: 184 cm, weight: 82.1 kg, BMI: 24.25


tragic stamina tragic keeper
poor pace hopeless defender
adequate technique adequate playmaker
solid passing poor striker

Got a pretty good distribution there. Have a couple of players to sell, so will keep him for a few weeks until I finish pace training then see where I'm at.

Is this guy any good?

Came out as Good

Todd Poutakidis, age: 16

club: Ginger Nuts, country: Australia,
value: 44 800 AU$, wage: 1 000 AU$,
very good form, tragic tactical discipline,
height: 174 cm, weight: 72.8 kg, BMI: 24.05


unsatisfactory stamina tragic keeper
unsatisfactory pace adequate defender
hopeless technique weak playmaker
unsatisfactory passing average striker
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He's 16, so that's a huge plus. Not sure if you know what his levels were for every week he was in your youth school (if not probably worth looking into that as it will make it a lot easier for yourself to judge).

For a good it's probably not a terrible distribution, would have been ideal if striker had been pushed onto pace or tech though. Still overall probably not a great pull unfortunately unless the talent is really good.

I think you have 2 options.

1) If you are training defenders (doesn't have to be defender the skill, but defenders in general) and you don't have your full set of trainees that you are allowed to train then you could potentially keep him and see what happens over a few weeks.

2) You could look to sell as being 16 I expect he'll sell for something. If you do sell try to list him to end as late as possible on Sunday (e.g list late Friday night/very early Saturday morning AEDT) to try and catch the european market to try and maximise what you might get from him.

I'd probably lean towards option 2 myself, whatever you do, don't sack him until you've at least decided which of those 2 options you are going to go. If he doesn't make your cut for training (and I think you can do better), then always try and sell everything prior to sacking as you might even make $2 out of it and it costs you nothing to list (if you list at $2).

Hi Achmid Yes I use Sokker assitant, he popped with me to Solid on the 15 last month then I measured to Very good took only 3 weeks

Awesome thanks guys

he popped with me to Solid on the 15 last month then I measured to Very good took only 3 weeks

Then his talent is pretty good. I don't have a plyer yet who took just 3 weeks to pop from solid to very good. As I mentioned earlier, usually my players take around 4 weeks for that jump.

Thanks seems quiet decent to train

Yeah if he popped to solid with you, then to very good 3 weeks later, then his talent is likely to be quite good. At least on the better side of things anyway (as generally, but maybe more noticible at higher levels, pace seems to take one week longer to pop than other skills in my experience)

You mention your main coach is 'good' in general with 'unearthly' pace, so we are safe to say you are training pace?

Sorry if I missed that earlier. Big influx of posts here....which is great to see from newer managers. :D

Correct all good guys aprecciate the Info and reflection