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beh un mio amico ha preso la multa perchè si accendeva la sigaretta passando davanti ai vigili e per fare questa aveva una mano impegnata
altra cosa che si tace è che se si fanno i conti dell'indebitamento incrociato tra paesi, si dovrebbe anche considerare i debiti del terzo mondo nei confronti dei paesi dell'UE (italia compresa) e soprattutto degli USA che sono in questo momento il paese con più debiti di tutto il mondo
in proposito ecco come cambiano le cose se si fanno i conti considerando il debito estero GLOBALE dei vari paesi e non guardando solo la parte che fa comodo guardare
wikipedia
da cui si vede per esempio che il vero debito estero del regno unito è quasi 10 volte quello italiano
quindi (fermo restando che per me i debiti sarebbe meglio non averli) il vero problema non è tanto l'entità del debito ma sapere chi sono i creditori
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in proposito ecco come cambiano le cose se si fanno i conti considerando il debito estero GLOBALE dei vari paesi e non guardando solo la parte che fa comodo guardare
wikipedia
da cui si vede per esempio che il vero debito estero del regno unito è quasi 10 volte quello italiano
quindi (fermo restando che per me i debiti sarebbe meglio non averli) il vero problema non è tanto l'entità del debito ma sapere chi sono i creditori
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però la tabella che hai postato somma il debito privato e quello pubblico,
che però ai fuini del discorso fatto nell'articolo hanno dinamiche profondamente diverse..
che però ai fuini del discorso fatto nell'articolo hanno dinamiche profondamente diverse..
si & no
se il privato è POCO indebitato in caso di bisogno lo stato lo può spremere, se il privato è alla canna del gas, non c'è margine di manovra alcuna
quindi non si può parlare dell'uno ignorando l'altro, perchè la solvibilità del debito pubblico di un paese dipende in gran parte dalla consistenza del risparmio privato di quel paese
è per quello che nonostante l'enormità del debito pubblico italiano siamo messi meglio di paesi che solo fino a 5 anni fa parevano la mecca come la Spagna e l'Eire
se il privato è POCO indebitato in caso di bisogno lo stato lo può spremere, se il privato è alla canna del gas, non c'è margine di manovra alcuna
quindi non si può parlare dell'uno ignorando l'altro, perchè la solvibilità del debito pubblico di un paese dipende in gran parte dalla consistenza del risparmio privato di quel paese
è per quello che nonostante l'enormità del debito pubblico italiano siamo messi meglio di paesi che solo fino a 5 anni fa parevano la mecca come la Spagna e l'Eire
Ora che mi hai spiegato che lo Stato mi può spremere sono più tranquillo...
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leggi il 3d "la rubrica di scrap". lì è spiegato tutto in modo più dettagliato.
il tg1 è diventato il tg dei ricconi, ogni sera ci fan vedere come possiamo spendere il nostro denaro: dagli yacht ai ritocchini estetici, passando per quei "regaletti" (un pensierino proprio...) al di sotto dei quali se non spendi 50€ sei proprio out...
perché bisogna dimostrare che la crisi non c'è
Quando c'era Prodi era tutti i giorni un'intervista a un pensionato al mercato che diceva di non arrivare a fine mese
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Quando c'era Prodi era tutti i giorni un'intervista a un pensionato al mercato che diceva di non arrivare a fine mese
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perché bisogna dimostrare che la crisi non c'è
Quando c'era Prodi era tutti i giorni un'intervista a un pensionato al mercato che diceva di non arrivare a fine mese
cazzo se è vero...con questa considerazione apro un po' di più gli occhi...
Quando c'era Prodi era tutti i giorni un'intervista a un pensionato al mercato che diceva di non arrivare a fine mese
cazzo se è vero...con questa considerazione apro un po' di più gli occhi...
baluba io non sono certo che le cifre del link siano affidabili.
A me pare ci sia un controsenso:
Mentre gli usa hanno 54.000.000 di milioni di dollari di debito, l'italia solo uno.
Ma dalla fonte (cia.gov riportata in calce)invece il debito italiano è il doppio ($2.328 trillion (31 December 2008) ). Da notare che non c'è indicazione al 31-12-09. Gli USA hanno 13,75 trilioni di dollari di debito. Io mi domando: un paese come l'italia con popolazione pari ad 1/8 di quella americana ha un debito pari ad 1/6 del debito USA. Stiamo davvero messi meglio? a me non pare proprio.
Fonte
A me pare ci sia un controsenso:
Mentre gli usa hanno 54.000.000 di milioni di dollari di debito, l'italia solo uno.
Ma dalla fonte (cia.gov riportata in calce)invece il debito italiano è il doppio ($2.328 trillion (31 December 2008) ). Da notare che non c'è indicazione al 31-12-09. Gli USA hanno 13,75 trilioni di dollari di debito. Io mi domando: un paese come l'italia con popolazione pari ad 1/8 di quella americana ha un debito pari ad 1/6 del debito USA. Stiamo davvero messi meglio? a me non pare proprio.
Fonte
baluba io non sono certo che le cifre del link siano affidabili.
A me pare ci sia un controsenso:
Mentre gli usa hanno 54.000.000 di milioni di dollari di debito, l'italia solo uno.
il link che ho messo è quello del debito ESTERO netto
tu confondi il debito dello stato con il debito ESTERO, sono due cose diverse
lo stato italiano è molto indebitato, ma una parte consistente del debito è con i cittadini italiani stessi, sotto forma di BOT, CCT, Buoni Postali, e Pnesioni già maturate da pagare
inoltre al debito devi sottrarre i crediti, così ottieni il debito NETTO
i conti si tengono separati perchè se i tuoi crediti li hai con debitori che poi non pagheranno allora tali crediti valgono meno
ma l'italia ha i suoi crediti abbastanza distribuiti, non siamo particolarmente a rischio sotto QUESTO aspetto
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A me pare ci sia un controsenso:
Mentre gli usa hanno 54.000.000 di milioni di dollari di debito, l'italia solo uno.
il link che ho messo è quello del debito ESTERO netto
tu confondi il debito dello stato con il debito ESTERO, sono due cose diverse
lo stato italiano è molto indebitato, ma una parte consistente del debito è con i cittadini italiani stessi, sotto forma di BOT, CCT, Buoni Postali, e Pnesioni già maturate da pagare
inoltre al debito devi sottrarre i crediti, così ottieni il debito NETTO
i conti si tengono separati perchè se i tuoi crediti li hai con debitori che poi non pagheranno allora tali crediti valgono meno
ma l'italia ha i suoi crediti abbastanza distribuiti, non siamo particolarmente a rischio sotto QUESTO aspetto
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no, baluba, non c'è confusione: stiamo parlando della stessa cosa. Nel link che hai postato c'è il rimando alla fonte. E dice questo:
Field Listing :: Debt - external
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This entry gives the total public and private debt owed to nonresidents repayable in foreign currency, goods, or services. These figures are calculated on an exchange rate basis, i.e., not in purchasing power parity (PPP) terms.
mentre su wikipedia c'è scritto:
Il debito estero è qui definito come il totale del debito pubblico e del debito privato verso i non residenti, ripagabile in valuta estera, beni o servizi (vedere definizione). La lista è basata su The World Factbook (salvo dove diversamente specificato), dati presenti a Ottobre del 2008[1] A fini informativi sono state inserite anche diverse entità che non sono paesi sovrani.
Stiamo proprio parlando della stessa cosa (debito estero) con cifre che non corrispondono tra wiki e The world factbook. Questo intendevo segnalare
Country Comparison to the World
Country
Debt - external
Afghanistan $2.7 billion (2008)
$8 billion (2004)
Albania $1.55 billion (2004)
Algeria $3.389 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.753 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
American Samoa $NA
Andorra $NA
Angola $12.83 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$14.09 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Anguilla $8.8 million (1998)
Antigua and Barbuda $359.8 million (June 2006)
Argentina $108.6 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$128.2 billion (31 December 2008)
Armenia $4.47 billion (30 June 2009)
$3.449 billion (31 December 2008)
Aruba $478.6 million (2005 est.)
Australia $920 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$799.8 billion (31 December 2008)
Austria $808.9 billion (30 September 2009)
$864.2 billion (31 December 2008)
Azerbaijan $2.411 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$2.635 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Bahamas, The $342.6 million (2004 est.)
Bahrain $10.87 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$10.33 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Bangladesh $23.22 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$22.83 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Barbados $668 million (2003)
Belarus $7.9 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$15.15 billion (31 December 2008)
Belgium $NA (31 December 2009)
$1.354 trillion (31 December 2008)
Belize $954.1 million (2008 est.)
$1.2 billion (June 2005 est.)
Benin $1.2 billion (2007)
Bermuda $160 million (FY99/00)
Bhutan $836 million (2009)
$713.3 million (2006)
Bolivia $5.349 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$5.931 billion (31 December 2008)
Bosnia and Herzegovina $8.415 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$7.388 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Botswana $1.651 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$409 million (31 December 2008 est.)
Brazil $216.1 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$262.9 billion (31 December 2008)
British Virgin Islands $36.1 million (1997)
Brunei $0 (2005)
Bulgaria $49.28 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$51.46 billion (31 December 2008)
Burkina Faso $1.84 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$1.665 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Burma $7.373 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$7.946 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Burundi $1.2 billion (2003)
Cambodia $4.157 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$4.127 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Cameroon $2.929 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.066 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Canada $833.8 billion (30 June 2009)
$781.1 billion (31 December 2008)
Cape Verde $325 million (2002)
Cayman Islands $70 million (1996)
Central African Republic $1.153 billion (2007 est.)
Chad $1.6 billion (2005 est.)
Chile $60.9 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$64.77 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
China $347.1 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$400.6 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Colombia $47.33 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$46.38 billion (31 December 2008)
Comoros $232 million (2000 est.)
Congo, Democratic Republic of the $10 billion (2007 est.)
$10 billion (2006 est.)
Congo, Republic of the $5 billion (2000 est.)
Cook Islands $141 million (1996 est.)
Costa Rica $8.057 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$9.249 billion (31 December 2008)
Cote d'Ivoire $12.08 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$14.05 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Croatia $59.4 billion (30 September 2009 est.)
$54.79 billion (31 December 2008)
Cuba $19.44 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$19.04 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Cyprus $NA (31 December 2009 est.)
$32.86 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Czech Republic $76.83 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$80.43 billion (31 December 2008)
Denmark $607.4 billion (30 June 2009)
$588.8 billion (31 December 2008)
Djibouti $428 million (2006)
Dominica $213 million (2004)
Dominican Republic $11.85 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$11.42 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Ecuador $13.28 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$16.82 billion (31 December 2008)
Egypt $28.45 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$32.12 billion (31 December 2008)
El Salvador $11.51 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$10.69 billion (31 December 2008)
Equatorial Guinea $174 million (31 December 2009 est.)
$190 million (31 December 2008 est.)
Eritrea $311 million (2000 est.)
Estonia $22.54 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$26.84 billion (31 December 2008)
Ethiopia $4.229 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.155 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) $NA
Faroe Islands $68.1 million (2006)
Fiji $127 million (2004 est.)
Finland $364.9 billion (30 June 2009)
$339.5 billion (31 December 2008)
France $5.021 trillion (30 June 2009)
$4.935 trillion (31 December 2008)
French Polynesia $NA
Gabon $3.065 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$2.986 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Gambia, The $628.8 million (2003 est.)
Gaza Strip see entry for West Bank
Georgia $3.381 billion (31 December 2009)
$7.711 billion (31 December 2008)
Germany $5.208 trillion (30 June 2009)
$5.158 trillion (31 December 2008)
Ghana $5.84 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$5.055 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Gibraltar $NA
Greece $552.8 billion (30 June 2009)
$504.6 billion (31 December 2008)
Greenland $58 million (2009)
$25 million (1999)
Grenada $347 million (2004)
Guam $NA
Guatemala $7.489 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$6.5 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Guernsey $NA
Guinea $3.072 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.222 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Guinea-Bissau $941.5 million (2000 est.)
Guyana $804.3 million (30 September 2008)
$1.2 billion (2002)
Haiti $428 million (31 December 2009 est.)
$1.817 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Honduras $3.315 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.209 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Hong Kong $655.1 billion (30 September 2009)
$659.2 billion (31 December 2008)
Hungary $116.8 billion (31 December 2009)
$212.1 billion (31 December 2008)
Iceland $3.073 billion (2002)
India $223.9 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$232.5 billion (31 December 2008)
Indonesia $150.7 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$155.1 billion (31 December 2008)
Iran $18.73 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$21.06 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Iraq $50.29 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$67.74 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Ireland $2.287 trillion (30 September 2009)
$2.356 trillion (31 December 2008)
Isle of Man $NA
Israel $84.69 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$86.08 billion (31 December 2008)
Italy $NA (31 December 2009 est.)
$2.328 trillion (31 December 2008)
Jamaica $11.55 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$10.65 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Japan $2.132 trillion (30 June 2009)
$2.231 trillion (31 December 2008)
Jersey $NA
Jordan $6.715 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$6.794 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Kazakhstan $93.21 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$107.8 billion (31 December 2008)
Kenya $7.729 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$7.855 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Kiribati $10 million (1999 est.)
Korea, North $12.5 billion (2001 est.)
Korea, South $333.6 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$381.1 billion (31 December 2008)
Kosovo $NA
Kuwait $32.5 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$36.89 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Kyrgyzstan $NA (31 December 2009)
$3.467 billion (31 December 2008)
Laos $3.085 billion (2009 est.)
$3.179 billion (2006 est.)
Latvia $38.01 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$42.26 billion (31 December 2008)
Lebanon $21.11 billion (30 November 2009 est.)
$21.14 billion (31 December 2008)
Lesotho $581 million (31 December 2009 est.)
$619 million (31 December 2008 est.)
Liberia $3.2 billion (2005 est.)
Libya $6.491 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$6.223 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Liechtenstein $0 (2001)
Lithuania $36.43 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$32.47 billion (31 December 2008)
Luxembourg $1.994 trillion (30 June 2009)
$2.02 trillion (31 December 2008)
Macau $0 (2009)
Macedonia $5.458 billion (31 September 2009 est.)
$4.658 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Madagascar $2.054 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$2.023 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Malawi $1.091 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$1.005 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Malaysia $48.26 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$75.33 billion (31 December 2008)
Maldives $589 million (2009 est.)
$477 million (2008 est.)
Mali $2.8 billion (2002)
Malta $3.75 billion (2008)
$188.8 million (2005)
Marshall Islands $87 million (2008 est.)
$86.5 million (FY99/00 est.)
Mauritania $NA
Mauritius $4.567 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$5.077 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Mayotte $NA
Mexico $177 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$200.4 billion (31 December 2008)
Micronesia, Federated States of $60.8 million (FY05 est.)
Moldova $3.97 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$4.125 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Monaco $18 billion (2000 est.)
Mongolia $1.86 billion (2009)
$1.6 billion (2008)
Montenegro $650 million (2006)
Montserrat $8.9 million (1997)
Morocco $20.06 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$17.13 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Mozambique $4.159 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.826 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Namibia $1.184 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$807.3 million (31 December 2008 est.)
Nauru $33.3 million (2004 est.)
Nepal $4.5 billion (2009)
$3.285 billion (2008)
Netherlands $3.733 trillion (31 December 2009)
$2.461 trillion (31 December 2008)
Netherlands Antilles $2.68 billion (2004)
New Caledonia $79 million (1998 est.)
New Zealand $58.92 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$59.08 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Nicaragua $4.7 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$4.596 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Niger $2.1 billion (2003 est.)
Nigeria $9.689 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$9.996 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Niue $418,000 (2002 est.)
Norfolk Island $NA
Northern Mariana Islands $NA
Norway $548.1 billion (30 June 2009)
$475.9 billion (31 December 2008)
note: Norway is a net external creditor
Oman $7.474 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$7.68 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Pakistan $52.12 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$46.39 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Palau $0 (FY99/00)
Panama $12.04 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$11.26 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Papua New Guinea $2.32 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$2.511 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Paraguay $3.22 billion (31 December 2009)
$2.99 billion (31 December 2008)
Peru $30.04 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$34.59 billion (31 December 2008)
Philippines $53.14 billion (30 September 2009 est.)
$66.27 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Poland $201.2 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$243.5 billion (31 December 2008)
Portugal $507 billion (30 June 2009)
$484.7 billion (31 December 2008)
Puerto Rico $NA
Qatar $63.16 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$57.37 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Romania $95.48 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$102.2 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Russia $369.2 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$483.5 billion (31 December 2008)
Rwanda $NA
Saint Helena, Ascension, and Tristan da Cunha $NA
Saint Kitts and Nevis $314 million (2004)
Saint Lucia $257 million (2004)
Saint Pierre and Miquelon $NA
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines $223 million (2004)
Samoa $177 million (2004)
San Marino $NA
Sao Tome and Principe $318 million (2002)
Saudi Arabia $72.45 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$82.13 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Senegal $2.763 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$2.627 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Serbia $31.72 billion (30 November 2009 est.)
$30.4 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Seychelles $1.25 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$1.422 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Sierra Leone $1.61 billion (2003 est.)
Singapore $19.2 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$25.52 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Slovakia $NA (31 December 2009 est.)
$52.53 billion (31 December 2008)
Slovenia $55 billion (31 August 2009)
$54.61 billion (31 December 2008)
Solomon Islands $166 million (2004)
Somalia $3 billion (2001 est.)
South Africa $73.84 billion (30 June 2009)
$71.81 billion (31 December 2008)
Spain $2.41 trillion (30 June 2009)
$2.317 trillion (31 December 2008)
Sri Lanka $19.45 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$16.78 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Sudan $36.27 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$33.72 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Suriname $504.3 million (2005 est.)
Swaziland $534 million (31 December 2009 est.)
$554 million (31 December 2008 est.)
Sweden $669.1 billion (30 June 2009)
$617.3 billion (31 December 2008)
Switzerland $1.339 trillion (30 June 2009)
$1.305 trillion (31 December 2008)
Syria $7.621 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$7.167 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Taiwan $79.8 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$90.4 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Tajikistan $1.691 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$1.503 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Tanzania $7.07 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$6.195 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Thailand $66.3 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$65.09 billion (31 December 2008)
Togo $NA
Tonga $80.7 million (2004)
Trinidad and Tobago $2.079 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.289 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Tunisia $15.64 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$20.81 billion (31 December 2008)
Turkey $274 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$278.1 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Turkmenistan $5 billion (2009 est.)
$1.4 billion (2004 est.)
Turks and Caicos Islands $NA
Tuvalu $NA
Uganda $2.05 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$1.835 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Ukraine $104 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$101.7 billion (31 December 2008)
United Arab Emirates $128.6 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$134.7 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
United Kingdom $9.088 trillion (30 June 2009)
$9.041 trillion (31 December 2008)
United States $13.45 trillion (30 June 2009)
$13.75 trillion (31 December 2008)
note: approximately 4/5ths of US external debt is denominated in US dollars; foreign lenders have been willing to hold US dollar denominated debt instruments because they view the dollar as the world's reserve currency
Uruguay $12.61 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$10.73 billion (31 December 2008)
Uzbekistan $3.63 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$4.022 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Vanuatu $81.2 million (2004)
Venezuela $43.41 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$47.03 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Vietnam $31 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$25.89 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Virgin Islands $NA
Wallis and Futuna $3.67 million (2004)
West Bank $1.3 billion (2007 est.)
Western Sahara $NA
World $56.9 trillion (31 December 2009 est.)
$60.83 trillion (31 December 2008 est.)
note: this figure is the sum total of all countries' external debt, both public and private
Yemen $6.245 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$5.977 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Zambia $3.313 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.095 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Zimbabwe $5.821 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$5.669 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
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Field Listing :: Debt - external
Print Page PRINT
This entry gives the total public and private debt owed to nonresidents repayable in foreign currency, goods, or services. These figures are calculated on an exchange rate basis, i.e., not in purchasing power parity (PPP) terms.
mentre su wikipedia c'è scritto:
Il debito estero è qui definito come il totale del debito pubblico e del debito privato verso i non residenti, ripagabile in valuta estera, beni o servizi (vedere definizione). La lista è basata su The World Factbook (salvo dove diversamente specificato), dati presenti a Ottobre del 2008[1] A fini informativi sono state inserite anche diverse entità che non sono paesi sovrani.
Stiamo proprio parlando della stessa cosa (debito estero) con cifre che non corrispondono tra wiki e The world factbook. Questo intendevo segnalare
Country Comparison to the World
Country
Debt - external
Afghanistan $2.7 billion (2008)
$8 billion (2004)
Albania $1.55 billion (2004)
Algeria $3.389 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.753 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
American Samoa $NA
Andorra $NA
Angola $12.83 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$14.09 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Anguilla $8.8 million (1998)
Antigua and Barbuda $359.8 million (June 2006)
Argentina $108.6 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$128.2 billion (31 December 2008)
Armenia $4.47 billion (30 June 2009)
$3.449 billion (31 December 2008)
Aruba $478.6 million (2005 est.)
Australia $920 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$799.8 billion (31 December 2008)
Austria $808.9 billion (30 September 2009)
$864.2 billion (31 December 2008)
Azerbaijan $2.411 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$2.635 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Bahamas, The $342.6 million (2004 est.)
Bahrain $10.87 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$10.33 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Bangladesh $23.22 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$22.83 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Barbados $668 million (2003)
Belarus $7.9 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$15.15 billion (31 December 2008)
Belgium $NA (31 December 2009)
$1.354 trillion (31 December 2008)
Belize $954.1 million (2008 est.)
$1.2 billion (June 2005 est.)
Benin $1.2 billion (2007)
Bermuda $160 million (FY99/00)
Bhutan $836 million (2009)
$713.3 million (2006)
Bolivia $5.349 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$5.931 billion (31 December 2008)
Bosnia and Herzegovina $8.415 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$7.388 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Botswana $1.651 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$409 million (31 December 2008 est.)
Brazil $216.1 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$262.9 billion (31 December 2008)
British Virgin Islands $36.1 million (1997)
Brunei $0 (2005)
Bulgaria $49.28 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$51.46 billion (31 December 2008)
Burkina Faso $1.84 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$1.665 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Burma $7.373 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$7.946 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Burundi $1.2 billion (2003)
Cambodia $4.157 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$4.127 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Cameroon $2.929 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.066 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Canada $833.8 billion (30 June 2009)
$781.1 billion (31 December 2008)
Cape Verde $325 million (2002)
Cayman Islands $70 million (1996)
Central African Republic $1.153 billion (2007 est.)
Chad $1.6 billion (2005 est.)
Chile $60.9 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$64.77 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
China $347.1 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$400.6 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Colombia $47.33 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$46.38 billion (31 December 2008)
Comoros $232 million (2000 est.)
Congo, Democratic Republic of the $10 billion (2007 est.)
$10 billion (2006 est.)
Congo, Republic of the $5 billion (2000 est.)
Cook Islands $141 million (1996 est.)
Costa Rica $8.057 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$9.249 billion (31 December 2008)
Cote d'Ivoire $12.08 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$14.05 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Croatia $59.4 billion (30 September 2009 est.)
$54.79 billion (31 December 2008)
Cuba $19.44 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$19.04 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Cyprus $NA (31 December 2009 est.)
$32.86 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Czech Republic $76.83 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$80.43 billion (31 December 2008)
Denmark $607.4 billion (30 June 2009)
$588.8 billion (31 December 2008)
Djibouti $428 million (2006)
Dominica $213 million (2004)
Dominican Republic $11.85 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$11.42 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Ecuador $13.28 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$16.82 billion (31 December 2008)
Egypt $28.45 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$32.12 billion (31 December 2008)
El Salvador $11.51 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$10.69 billion (31 December 2008)
Equatorial Guinea $174 million (31 December 2009 est.)
$190 million (31 December 2008 est.)
Eritrea $311 million (2000 est.)
Estonia $22.54 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$26.84 billion (31 December 2008)
Ethiopia $4.229 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.155 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) $NA
Faroe Islands $68.1 million (2006)
Fiji $127 million (2004 est.)
Finland $364.9 billion (30 June 2009)
$339.5 billion (31 December 2008)
France $5.021 trillion (30 June 2009)
$4.935 trillion (31 December 2008)
French Polynesia $NA
Gabon $3.065 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$2.986 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Gambia, The $628.8 million (2003 est.)
Gaza Strip see entry for West Bank
Georgia $3.381 billion (31 December 2009)
$7.711 billion (31 December 2008)
Germany $5.208 trillion (30 June 2009)
$5.158 trillion (31 December 2008)
Ghana $5.84 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$5.055 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Gibraltar $NA
Greece $552.8 billion (30 June 2009)
$504.6 billion (31 December 2008)
Greenland $58 million (2009)
$25 million (1999)
Grenada $347 million (2004)
Guam $NA
Guatemala $7.489 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$6.5 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Guernsey $NA
Guinea $3.072 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.222 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Guinea-Bissau $941.5 million (2000 est.)
Guyana $804.3 million (30 September 2008)
$1.2 billion (2002)
Haiti $428 million (31 December 2009 est.)
$1.817 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Honduras $3.315 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.209 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Hong Kong $655.1 billion (30 September 2009)
$659.2 billion (31 December 2008)
Hungary $116.8 billion (31 December 2009)
$212.1 billion (31 December 2008)
Iceland $3.073 billion (2002)
India $223.9 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$232.5 billion (31 December 2008)
Indonesia $150.7 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$155.1 billion (31 December 2008)
Iran $18.73 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$21.06 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Iraq $50.29 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$67.74 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Ireland $2.287 trillion (30 September 2009)
$2.356 trillion (31 December 2008)
Isle of Man $NA
Israel $84.69 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$86.08 billion (31 December 2008)
Italy $NA (31 December 2009 est.)
$2.328 trillion (31 December 2008)
Jamaica $11.55 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$10.65 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Japan $2.132 trillion (30 June 2009)
$2.231 trillion (31 December 2008)
Jersey $NA
Jordan $6.715 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$6.794 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Kazakhstan $93.21 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$107.8 billion (31 December 2008)
Kenya $7.729 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$7.855 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Kiribati $10 million (1999 est.)
Korea, North $12.5 billion (2001 est.)
Korea, South $333.6 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$381.1 billion (31 December 2008)
Kosovo $NA
Kuwait $32.5 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$36.89 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Kyrgyzstan $NA (31 December 2009)
$3.467 billion (31 December 2008)
Laos $3.085 billion (2009 est.)
$3.179 billion (2006 est.)
Latvia $38.01 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$42.26 billion (31 December 2008)
Lebanon $21.11 billion (30 November 2009 est.)
$21.14 billion (31 December 2008)
Lesotho $581 million (31 December 2009 est.)
$619 million (31 December 2008 est.)
Liberia $3.2 billion (2005 est.)
Libya $6.491 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$6.223 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Liechtenstein $0 (2001)
Lithuania $36.43 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$32.47 billion (31 December 2008)
Luxembourg $1.994 trillion (30 June 2009)
$2.02 trillion (31 December 2008)
Macau $0 (2009)
Macedonia $5.458 billion (31 September 2009 est.)
$4.658 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Madagascar $2.054 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$2.023 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Malawi $1.091 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$1.005 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Malaysia $48.26 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$75.33 billion (31 December 2008)
Maldives $589 million (2009 est.)
$477 million (2008 est.)
Mali $2.8 billion (2002)
Malta $3.75 billion (2008)
$188.8 million (2005)
Marshall Islands $87 million (2008 est.)
$86.5 million (FY99/00 est.)
Mauritania $NA
Mauritius $4.567 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$5.077 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Mayotte $NA
Mexico $177 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$200.4 billion (31 December 2008)
Micronesia, Federated States of $60.8 million (FY05 est.)
Moldova $3.97 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$4.125 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Monaco $18 billion (2000 est.)
Mongolia $1.86 billion (2009)
$1.6 billion (2008)
Montenegro $650 million (2006)
Montserrat $8.9 million (1997)
Morocco $20.06 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$17.13 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Mozambique $4.159 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.826 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Namibia $1.184 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$807.3 million (31 December 2008 est.)
Nauru $33.3 million (2004 est.)
Nepal $4.5 billion (2009)
$3.285 billion (2008)
Netherlands $3.733 trillion (31 December 2009)
$2.461 trillion (31 December 2008)
Netherlands Antilles $2.68 billion (2004)
New Caledonia $79 million (1998 est.)
New Zealand $58.92 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$59.08 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Nicaragua $4.7 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$4.596 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Niger $2.1 billion (2003 est.)
Nigeria $9.689 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$9.996 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Niue $418,000 (2002 est.)
Norfolk Island $NA
Northern Mariana Islands $NA
Norway $548.1 billion (30 June 2009)
$475.9 billion (31 December 2008)
note: Norway is a net external creditor
Oman $7.474 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$7.68 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Pakistan $52.12 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$46.39 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Palau $0 (FY99/00)
Panama $12.04 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$11.26 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Papua New Guinea $2.32 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$2.511 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Paraguay $3.22 billion (31 December 2009)
$2.99 billion (31 December 2008)
Peru $30.04 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$34.59 billion (31 December 2008)
Philippines $53.14 billion (30 September 2009 est.)
$66.27 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Poland $201.2 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$243.5 billion (31 December 2008)
Portugal $507 billion (30 June 2009)
$484.7 billion (31 December 2008)
Puerto Rico $NA
Qatar $63.16 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$57.37 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Romania $95.48 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$102.2 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Russia $369.2 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$483.5 billion (31 December 2008)
Rwanda $NA
Saint Helena, Ascension, and Tristan da Cunha $NA
Saint Kitts and Nevis $314 million (2004)
Saint Lucia $257 million (2004)
Saint Pierre and Miquelon $NA
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines $223 million (2004)
Samoa $177 million (2004)
San Marino $NA
Sao Tome and Principe $318 million (2002)
Saudi Arabia $72.45 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$82.13 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Senegal $2.763 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$2.627 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Serbia $31.72 billion (30 November 2009 est.)
$30.4 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Seychelles $1.25 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$1.422 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Sierra Leone $1.61 billion (2003 est.)
Singapore $19.2 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$25.52 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Slovakia $NA (31 December 2009 est.)
$52.53 billion (31 December 2008)
Slovenia $55 billion (31 August 2009)
$54.61 billion (31 December 2008)
Solomon Islands $166 million (2004)
Somalia $3 billion (2001 est.)
South Africa $73.84 billion (30 June 2009)
$71.81 billion (31 December 2008)
Spain $2.41 trillion (30 June 2009)
$2.317 trillion (31 December 2008)
Sri Lanka $19.45 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$16.78 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Sudan $36.27 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$33.72 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Suriname $504.3 million (2005 est.)
Swaziland $534 million (31 December 2009 est.)
$554 million (31 December 2008 est.)
Sweden $669.1 billion (30 June 2009)
$617.3 billion (31 December 2008)
Switzerland $1.339 trillion (30 June 2009)
$1.305 trillion (31 December 2008)
Syria $7.621 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$7.167 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Taiwan $79.8 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$90.4 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Tajikistan $1.691 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$1.503 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Tanzania $7.07 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$6.195 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Thailand $66.3 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$65.09 billion (31 December 2008)
Togo $NA
Tonga $80.7 million (2004)
Trinidad and Tobago $2.079 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.289 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Tunisia $15.64 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$20.81 billion (31 December 2008)
Turkey $274 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$278.1 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Turkmenistan $5 billion (2009 est.)
$1.4 billion (2004 est.)
Turks and Caicos Islands $NA
Tuvalu $NA
Uganda $2.05 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$1.835 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Ukraine $104 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$101.7 billion (31 December 2008)
United Arab Emirates $128.6 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$134.7 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
United Kingdom $9.088 trillion (30 June 2009)
$9.041 trillion (31 December 2008)
United States $13.45 trillion (30 June 2009)
$13.75 trillion (31 December 2008)
note: approximately 4/5ths of US external debt is denominated in US dollars; foreign lenders have been willing to hold US dollar denominated debt instruments because they view the dollar as the world's reserve currency
Uruguay $12.61 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$10.73 billion (31 December 2008)
Uzbekistan $3.63 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$4.022 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Vanuatu $81.2 million (2004)
Venezuela $43.41 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$47.03 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Vietnam $31 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$25.89 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Virgin Islands $NA
Wallis and Futuna $3.67 million (2004)
West Bank $1.3 billion (2007 est.)
Western Sahara $NA
World $56.9 trillion (31 December 2009 est.)
$60.83 trillion (31 December 2008 est.)
note: this figure is the sum total of all countries' external debt, both public and private
Yemen $6.245 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$5.977 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Zambia $3.313 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$3.095 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
Zimbabwe $5.821 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$5.669 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
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no, baluba, non c'è confusione: stiamo parlando della stessa cosa. Nel link che hai postato c'è il rimando alla fonte. E dice questo:
non serve il supercopia incolla so cliccare
ma come ti ho detto quello è il debito, non il debito netto
noterai infatti che compaiono TUTTI i paesi del mondo, se ci sono tutti a chi li devono i soldi? ai marziani?
se guardi c'è la germania con il doppio dei nostri debiti, e c'è pure la cina!
questa tabella è un dato non inutile in assoluto, ma inutile per stabilire la vera salute economica di un paese
non serve il supercopia incolla so cliccare
ma come ti ho detto quello è il debito, non il debito netto
noterai infatti che compaiono TUTTI i paesi del mondo, se ci sono tutti a chi li devono i soldi? ai marziani?
se guardi c'è la germania con il doppio dei nostri debiti, e c'è pure la cina!
questa tabella è un dato non inutile in assoluto, ma inutile per stabilire la vera salute economica di un paese
noterai infatti che compaiono TUTTI i paesi del mondo, se ci sono tutti a chi li devono i soldi? ai marziani?
hehehehe.... questa è una bella battuta, te la concedo!
hehehehe.... questa è una bella battuta, te la concedo!
mi sa che non hai fatto molta attenzione alle cifre postate.
Premesso che wikipedia rimanda alla fonte per cui si parla della stessa cosa, cioè del debito estero, viene fuori che:
wikipedia riporta che il debito mondiale è:
Mondo $54,610,000 2008
The world factbook scrive:
World $56.9 trillion (31 December 2009 est.)
$60.83 trillion (31 December 2008 est.)
note: this figure is the sum total of all countries' external debt, both public and private
Per gli USA:
wikipedia:
1 USA $13,773,000 al 30-06-09
TWF:
United States $13.45 trillion (30 June 2009)
$13.75 trillion (31 December 2008)
ed è palese una certa omogeneità dei dati con leggere scostature, accettabili in quanto sostanzialemte simili.
Il dato Italiano è palesemente contraddittorio;
per wikipedia noi avremmo:
11 Italia $1,060,000 2008(est.)
per TWF:
Italy $NA (31 December 2009 est.)
$2.328 trillion (31 December 2008)
E' una mistificazione quello che riporta wikipedia. In primo luogo perchè la fonte di wiki è The world factbook nel capitolo "debito estero"; in secondo luogo nella fonte (TWF) è riportato il dato italiano al 31-12-08 come certo (prova ne sono i due dati mondo e USA molto simili) mentre wiki lo riporta come stima. E non è così.
Premesso che wikipedia rimanda alla fonte per cui si parla della stessa cosa, cioè del debito estero, viene fuori che:
wikipedia riporta che il debito mondiale è:
Mondo $54,610,000 2008
The world factbook scrive:
World $56.9 trillion (31 December 2009 est.)
$60.83 trillion (31 December 2008 est.)
note: this figure is the sum total of all countries' external debt, both public and private
Per gli USA:
wikipedia:
1 USA $13,773,000 al 30-06-09
TWF:
United States $13.45 trillion (30 June 2009)
$13.75 trillion (31 December 2008)
ed è palese una certa omogeneità dei dati con leggere scostature, accettabili in quanto sostanzialemte simili.
Il dato Italiano è palesemente contraddittorio;
per wikipedia noi avremmo:
11 Italia $1,060,000 2008(est.)
per TWF:
Italy $NA (31 December 2009 est.)
$2.328 trillion (31 December 2008)
E' una mistificazione quello che riporta wikipedia. In primo luogo perchè la fonte di wiki è The world factbook nel capitolo "debito estero"; in secondo luogo nella fonte (TWF) è riportato il dato italiano al 31-12-08 come certo (prova ne sono i due dati mondo e USA molto simili) mentre wiki lo riporta come stima. E non è così.