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Subject: Virus cinese 2...Non ci fermerete mai!
E come ho detto 183848847 volte non si tratta di libertà di pensiero, molto più banalmente qualsiasi ipotesi in campo scientifica va dimostrata. Es. Se uno dice "secondo me a Wuhan il virus è nato dal sangue di barracuda" è libero di dirlo ma senza alcun "supporto" che giustifichi questa teoria/affermazione, da un punto di vista scientifico è una affermazione che vale Zero.
Ma tu sai perché hanno autorizzato il vaccino agli under 15? Partiamo dalle basi
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Avrebbe dovuto prendere dei minori e fargli il vaccino per dimostrare che muoiono di più o di meno?
Questo lo avevo saltato. Ok, non sai nemmeno come si da l'autorizzazione.
Ti sorprenderai ma ci sono stati bambini della fascia 12-15 che hanno ricevuto il vaccino, che fanno un po' da cavie se vogliamo. Ovviamente su base volontaria (dei genitori). E pensa un po', ora stanno testando sui bambini 2-5 anni.... Se ne muoiono di meno come dici tu o non ci sono effetti collaterali verrà autorizzato anche per i bimbi più piccoli. Funziona così
Questo lo avevo saltato. Ok, non sai nemmeno come si da l'autorizzazione.
Ti sorprenderai ma ci sono stati bambini della fascia 12-15 che hanno ricevuto il vaccino, che fanno un po' da cavie se vogliamo. Ovviamente su base volontaria (dei genitori). E pensa un po', ora stanno testando sui bambini 2-5 anni.... Se ne muoiono di meno come dici tu o non ci sono effetti collaterali verrà autorizzato anche per i bimbi più piccoli. Funziona così
Aspetto il tuo prossimo fritto misto scientifico con ansia fatto di "ma gli effetti collaterali a lungo termine?", "la verità assoluta non esiste" e cazzate simili ;-)
"ma gli effetti collaterali a lungo termine?"
Oddio, la mia personale opinione - non scientifica - e' che se avessi un figlio di 2 anni non gli farei fare il vaccino
Oddio, la mia personale opinione - non scientifica - e' che se avessi un figlio di 2 anni non gli farei fare il vaccino
(Ri)Aggiungo:
However, children seem to be less susceptible than adults to both infection and transmission of SARS-CoV-2,1617 and countries such as Norway maintained low transmission rates despite keeping primary schools open. Both suggest a limited role for young children in sustaining chains of transmission18 and that vaccinating children is likely to be of marginal benefit in reducing the risk to others.
However, children seem to be less susceptible than adults to both infection and transmission of SARS-CoV-2,1617 and countries such as Norway maintained low transmission rates despite keeping primary schools open. Both suggest a limited role for young children in sustaining chains of transmission18 and that vaccinating children is likely to be of marginal benefit in reducing the risk to others.
Incollo qualcosa a supporto "dell'opinione" del WSJ - che poi basta seguire le loro annotazioni:
OBJECTIVE: To identify the epidemiological characteristics and transmission patterns of pediatric patients with the 2019 novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) in China.
METHODS: Nationwide case series of 2135 pediatric patients with COVID-19 reported to the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention from January 16, 2020, to February 8, 2020, were included. The epidemic curves were constructed by key dates of disease onset and case diagnosis. Onset-to-diagnosis curves were constructed by fitting a log-normal distribution to data on both onset and diagnosis dates.
RESULTS: There were 728 (34.1%) laboratory-confirmed cases and 1407 (65.9%) suspected cases. The median age of all patients was 7 years (interquartile range: 2–13 years), and 1208 case patients (56.6%) were boys. More than 90% of all patients had asymptomatic, mild, or moderate cases. The median time from illness onset to diagnoses was 2 days (range: 0–42 days). There was a rapid increase of disease at the early stage of the epidemic, and then there was a gradual and steady decrease. The disease rapidly spread from Hubei province to surrounding provinces over time. More children were infected in Hubei province than any other province.
CONCLUSIONS: Children of all ages appeared susceptible to COVID-19, and there was no significant sex difference. Although clinical manifestations of children’s COVID-19 cases were generally less severe than those of adult patients, young children, particularly infants, were vulnerable to infection. The distribution of children’s COVID-19 cases varied with time and space, and most of the cases were concentrated in Hubei province and surrounding areas. Furthermore, this study provides strong evidence of human-to-human transmission.
Abbreviations:
2019-nCoV — 2019 novel coronavirus
ACE2 — angiotensin-converting enzyme II
CDC — Center for Disease Control and Prevention
COVID-19 — 2019 novel coronavirus diseasem
HCoV — human coronavirus
PHEIC — public health emergency of international concern
RSV — respiratory syncytial virus
SARS-CoV — severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirusm
WHO — World Health Organization
2134 casi esaminati di cui 728 casi confermati
More than 90% of all patients had asymptomatic, mild, or moderate cases
OBJECTIVE: To identify the epidemiological characteristics and transmission patterns of pediatric patients with the 2019 novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) in China.
METHODS: Nationwide case series of 2135 pediatric patients with COVID-19 reported to the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention from January 16, 2020, to February 8, 2020, were included. The epidemic curves were constructed by key dates of disease onset and case diagnosis. Onset-to-diagnosis curves were constructed by fitting a log-normal distribution to data on both onset and diagnosis dates.
RESULTS: There were 728 (34.1%) laboratory-confirmed cases and 1407 (65.9%) suspected cases. The median age of all patients was 7 years (interquartile range: 2–13 years), and 1208 case patients (56.6%) were boys. More than 90% of all patients had asymptomatic, mild, or moderate cases. The median time from illness onset to diagnoses was 2 days (range: 0–42 days). There was a rapid increase of disease at the early stage of the epidemic, and then there was a gradual and steady decrease. The disease rapidly spread from Hubei province to surrounding provinces over time. More children were infected in Hubei province than any other province.
CONCLUSIONS: Children of all ages appeared susceptible to COVID-19, and there was no significant sex difference. Although clinical manifestations of children’s COVID-19 cases were generally less severe than those of adult patients, young children, particularly infants, were vulnerable to infection. The distribution of children’s COVID-19 cases varied with time and space, and most of the cases were concentrated in Hubei province and surrounding areas. Furthermore, this study provides strong evidence of human-to-human transmission.
Abbreviations:
2019-nCoV — 2019 novel coronavirus
ACE2 — angiotensin-converting enzyme II
CDC — Center for Disease Control and Prevention
COVID-19 — 2019 novel coronavirus diseasem
HCoV — human coronavirus
PHEIC — public health emergency of international concern
RSV — respiratory syncytial virus
SARS-CoV — severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirusm
WHO — World Health Organization
2134 casi esaminati di cui 728 casi confermati
More than 90% of all patients had asymptomatic, mild, or moderate cases
Io non ho capito quello che vuoi dire. E in ogni caso nell'articolo che hai postato leggo una opinione, niente di più. Non vedo ipotesi, non ci sono sperimentazioni, non vi è verifica delle conclusioni. Non vedo metodo scientifico.
Quindi ti rispondo che quello che hai scritto e' FALSO! (cit)
Sei stato cieco :P
Quindi ti rispondo che quello che hai scritto e' FALSO! (cit)
Sei stato cieco :P
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Of the patients hospitalised, the proportion of paediatric patients (<18 years) was smaller for COVID-19 than for influenza (1227 [1·4%] vs 8942 [19·5%]), but a larger proportion of patients younger than 5 years needed intensive care support for COVID-19 than for influenza (14 [2·3%] of 613 vs 65 [0·9%] of 6973). In adolescents (11-17 years), the in-hospital mortality was ten-times higher for COVID-19 than for influenza (five [1·1% of 458 vs one [0·1%] of 804), and patients with COVID-19 were more frequently obese or overweight.
La conclusione
In children, although the rate of hospitalisation for COVID-19 appears to be lower than for influenza, in-hospital mortality is higher; however, low patient numbers limit this finding. These findings highlight the importance of appropriate preventive measures for COVID-19, as well as the need for a specific vaccine and treatment
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Of the patients hospitalised, the proportion of paediatric patients (<18 years) was smaller for COVID-19 than for influenza (1227 [1·4%] vs 8942 [19·5%]), but a larger proportion of patients younger than 5 years needed intensive care support for COVID-19 than for influenza (14 [2·3%] of 613 vs 65 [0·9%] of 6973). In adolescents (11-17 years), the in-hospital mortality was ten-times higher for COVID-19 than for influenza (five [1·1% of 458 vs one [0·1%] of 804), and patients with COVID-19 were more frequently obese or overweight.
La conclusione
In children, although the rate of hospitalisation for COVID-19 appears to be lower than for influenza, in-hospital mortality is higher; however, low patient numbers limit this finding. These findings highlight the importance of appropriate preventive measures for COVID-19, as well as the need for a specific vaccine and treatment
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Oddio, la mia personale opinione - non scientifica - e' che se avessi un figlio di 2 anni non gli farei fare il vaccino
Quando daranno l'ok, e cioè dopo le adeguate sperimentazioni in atto e che probabilmente dureranno di più rispetto a quelle per adulti, io si.
Quando daranno l'ok, e cioè dopo le adeguate sperimentazioni in atto e che probabilmente dureranno di più rispetto a quelle per adulti, io si.
Vedo che oggi i dati dei cinesi ti piacciono.... Comunque nulla di nuovo, casi gravi ai bambini sono pochissimi.
In ogni caso vedremo a tempo debito... Per ora facciamo fatica a coprire gli over 40 con i vaccini, figurati
in certe chat leggo che il vaccino non da protezione:(:(:(
da dove le tirano fuori queste perle?
bah....
da dove le tirano fuori queste perle?
bah....
sulle donne in gravidanza invece si sa qualcosa in piu'? io da qualche mese ho staccato la spina sul covid e non mi sto piu' informando come prima....ma ho mia moglie in ansia perchè non sa cosa fare. E' soggetto a rischio di trombosi. Alcuni pediatri consigliano di farlo in allattamento così da passar qualcosa al piccolo evitando il rischio di farlo in gravidanza....c'è qualche studio? siete per caso piu' informati di me in merito?