Subject: (Politiek) Discussietopic

I fully agree with that. Of course there was a very small part of Poles who collaborated, usually from lower level of society, who saw it as their chance to improve their position and possibly wealth. You can find such scum everywhere, as you can find Nazi supporters, antisemites, nationalists etc. There were even cases of Jewish people supporting the Germans.

The thing is, it does not mean that the death camps were in any way Polish. Yes, they were located on former Polish soil (former, since Poland was already fully conquered when they were created and run), but that doesn't make them Polish.

It's a very sensitive subject in Poland, since Poland had by far the highest number of civilian casualties in Europe during the WWII (estimated to be around 5.5-6 million people) and it is often forgotten, that a huge amount of the Jews in death camps had a Polish nationality and lived in Poland for a very long time. Moreover, Polish people, Catholics, were also brought to the death camps and murdered there.

So it's not a matter of nationalism as Charles tries to present it, but a matter of defending the honour of these people. The term 'Polish death camps' was created by Alfred Benzinger, head of Nazi intelligence, and popularised by Nazi propaganda. And it unfortunately worked, the phrase is very often used by American media and even the German media. That's actually the reason of the whole situation in last days - German ZDF used the term Polish death camps on their websites 'frontpage' and rejected to delete it. And it is not the first time ZDF did it, it happens at least once a year.

LOL !

Nee, het heeft helemaal niets met nationalisme te maken natuurlijk. Hoe kom ik daar nu bij :P Of wacht, de internationale spam topic is toevallig overlopen door Polen die de geschiedenis lopen te overschreeuwen. Nee, niets nationalitisch aan.

En ik ben een nazi :P
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Stop with your lies and 'nationalist troll' card, it's not working.

Ja hoor, het is allemaal toeval het geschreeuw van die polen op het forum. Heel vreemd dat alle andere managers het niet met jullie eens zijn. Ook toeval ..... :P

The only person who wrote about the subject here was Gohf and he wrote the same thing I write from beginning. Stop with the lies already.

Hypocriet. Op het internationaal forum zeggen dat ik me moet gedragen zoals een mod vraagt, ondertussen hiero door treiteren. Zielige vent.

Well you should behave properly and your previous behavious was unacceptable and very rude.

It's also rude to write to me in Dutch, since I know that you can speak in English easily. When you came to Polish forum I did not write to you in Polish, did I? It's called having manners.

Manners :P

Here you go, in English!

I suggest you stop discussing with him mate. It's pointless and won't get you amywhere. You should know that charles vision is your vision too and if it's not your clearly wrong.

He already blocked me because he can't stand it when people see things differently as him.
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:D
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Volgens mij heeft de volgende Poolse troll met maanden Sokker bans achter zijn naam ons forum gevonden. Helaas doet SkUnk het even niet zo goed dus ik zie flashes van mensen die ik op ignore heb staan, dus ook deze vervelende gast.

Hopelijk dat een Nederlandse mod hem snel en met een lange straf aanpakt als hij ook op dit forum de boel komt verzieken met zijn haat, racisme en constante provokaties. Hij leert niets van zijn meerdere 90 dagen bans, dat is wel duidelijk.

Op het Pools forum komt hij weg met het breken van alle regels door een waardeloze presterende staf, op andere fora waar hij komt ligt een kans hem definitief aan te pakken. Deze troll is erger dan Levitate, dat zegt meer dan genoeg denk ik.

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You write hate, hate nationalists do not respect other views, you are a xenophobe.

If he is the 'next troll', then I assume I am the first one? Why do you call me a troll, I did nothing wrong.

Anyway, sorry for the racist moron, unfortunately we have some of those. Not many, but they are loud...

@Gohf
I guess you are right, there's no point in shouting at a wall.

Funny, the history of 'Poland' and 'death camps' gives the same reaction as 'Turkey' and 'Armenian genocide'.

Talking about a shouting wall :/

So you learnt nothing, it's disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Are you seriously making this comparison...? The genocide created/ordered and fulfilled by Ottoman government and the genocided created/ordered by GERMANS and fulfilled by GERMANS on former Polish territory makes it a Polish wrongdoing?

Are you really that crazy and ignorant, or are you just trolling?