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Subject: [Novo] Sokker - Grandes mudanças por vir!
Ué, o que falaram no início seria que cada time teria 10 vagas de treino, podendo escolher gk, MID, DEF ou ATT, não sendo mais que 2gk e 6 ATT, de resto, cada um escolhe mas dentro dos 10. Aí só se estiver outra mudança
Vc está certo. Meu maior medo é a questão das lesões, do jeito que as coisas estão aqui eu vou precisar ter um elenco com 30 jogadores rsrs.
bronho to
arturnobre
Na A caem todos que cairem basicamente, pois ao estarem no nivel 2 com a pontuação que tiveram na A impossível subirem.
Todos que caírem da A serão os primeiros no ranking da B, ou seja, subirão todos, inclusive vi isso no fórum polonês
arturnobre to
bronho
É oficial. Traduzido do polonês pro inglês e deste para o português.
Eu entendi assim também, mas não tenho certeza. Acho que está muito confuso.
O Raul acaba de confirmar o teor do Diário N. 60 e pede desculpas por não tê-lo divulgado primeiro em inglês.
O texto em inglês está transcrito abaixo:
"First of all, sorry that the news was published on PL forum first, is our mistake and problems with translation, and you had to wait 2 days.
It will never happen again. Please find below original news with all details.
Dev Diary 60: Gameplay Reform – it is happening!
Let me start by sharing a few personal thoughts with you. There are news that you write because you have to, and there are also news when you enjoy typing every single letter, the announcement of which is the culmination of many months of hard work. The announced effect is the beginning of something long awaited, and the changes introduced are not only technical maintenance of the game, but its significant development. Therefore, with great satisfaction, on behalf of the entire Sokker Team, I announce that the start of the new season will be preceded by the long awaited reform of the tournament structure! ~Raul
THE MOST IMPORTANT CHANGES:
- Extending the composition of each league - from the current 8 to 12 teams.
- Changing the calendar of competitions. The season will be reduced to 13 weeks in which matches will be played according to the scheme: league matches on Wednesdays and Sundays, cup / friendly matches on Fridays. Each team will play 22 league matches in a season instead of 14.
- Change of promotion rules. Most importantly, from the next season, league winners will always be promoted directly. On the other hand, teams in 2nd place will have their chance in play-offs. Places 3-6 will be safe, teams ranked 10-12 will demote directly, and those ranked 7-9 will have to defend their league presence in play-offs. We hope that this will affect the fierceness and attractiveness of the competition and each team will be committed to fighting for its goal throughout the season. Link to the new tournament calendar
NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS:
- The new system assumptions are that each lower league level has 3 times more teams than the preceding higher one, and therefore: 1 x 1st league, 3 x 2nd leagues, 9 x 3rd leagues, 27 x 4th leagues, etc. This change makes possible introduction of new promotion and relegation system, but also makes each level more exclusive and prestigious.
- The effect of the reform will be a change in the total number of teams at each league level. While the I and II levels of the game will increase their numbers, starting from the third league number of teams will be reduced. This is exactly illustrated by this table.
- The above changes require a new assignments to individual leagues. At the beginning of next season, old leagues will be reset and ALL teams will be assigned to the new leagues based on their performance this season, creating completely new composition of each league. We describe the rules of attribution in detail below.
RULES OF ASSIGNMENT TO NEW LEAGUES:
1. We play play-offs, promotions and relegations, as usual, at the end of the season.
2. We keep the score (points, goals) with which a given team was relegated or promoted.
3. We delete teams without players (e.g. in PL there are nearly 400 teams).
4. We sort the teams according to the collective tables of a given level of the game, assuming that:
- First, we sort the teams that fell from a higher league level (direct relegations from higher leagues, and play-off losers from higher leagues)
- Then the teams that stayed at the given level (play-off losers from the league level in question, and safe places 2-4)
- At the end, we sort the teams that have advanced to a given level (direct promotions from lower leagues, and play-off winners from lower leagues)
5. We remove all bot teams from the rankings. We adopt one rule: no login in the last 50 days. These teams will not be completely removed and if the owner returns someday, he will be able to resume the game with his own team, with his own resources, but from the lowest league level.
6. The tables created in this way will be the basis for assignment to new leagues.
NECESSARY BUT UNPOPULAR EFFECTS:
- As described above, the number of middle and lower levels of the game will decrease.
- The consequences of the change in the number of teams at a certain level will be situations in which:
a) teams that, according to the old system, would be promoted to a higher level, will remain at the current level.
b) teams that, according to the old system, would remain at the current level, will be assigned to a lower league.
- It is math, and a necessary, one-time adjustment.
- We hope that the increased possibility of promotion from next season and the greater attractiveness of the tournament will be a compensation for the owners of these teams.
- Despite many hours devoted to searching for solutions, in order to introduce changes, it was not possible to find a better solution. It is a necessary, but probably unpopular, effect.
THE EFFECT OF CHANGE ON TRAINING:
- Awaited by you, training reform will not start until the next season, so the next season will be a transitional period. New rules of the game, but still the old rules of training.
- Consequently, thanks to 3 "training" matches every week, it will be possible to train more players: e.g. 3 players with GK, 9 ATT, 15 MID or DEF and as many as 33 players training pace.
- It is also a small gift for you for your patience - use it for the season, in the next season there will be new rules.
- Shortening the season will reduce the number of trainings from 16 to 13 possible so far. Remember this when planning the careers of your pupils.
In final words, we hope the competition next season will be as fierce as the discussion under this post! Good luck to all of you! ~Raul"
O texto em inglês está transcrito abaixo:
"First of all, sorry that the news was published on PL forum first, is our mistake and problems with translation, and you had to wait 2 days.
It will never happen again. Please find below original news with all details.
Dev Diary 60: Gameplay Reform – it is happening!
Let me start by sharing a few personal thoughts with you. There are news that you write because you have to, and there are also news when you enjoy typing every single letter, the announcement of which is the culmination of many months of hard work. The announced effect is the beginning of something long awaited, and the changes introduced are not only technical maintenance of the game, but its significant development. Therefore, with great satisfaction, on behalf of the entire Sokker Team, I announce that the start of the new season will be preceded by the long awaited reform of the tournament structure! ~Raul
THE MOST IMPORTANT CHANGES:
- Extending the composition of each league - from the current 8 to 12 teams.
- Changing the calendar of competitions. The season will be reduced to 13 weeks in which matches will be played according to the scheme: league matches on Wednesdays and Sundays, cup / friendly matches on Fridays. Each team will play 22 league matches in a season instead of 14.
- Change of promotion rules. Most importantly, from the next season, league winners will always be promoted directly. On the other hand, teams in 2nd place will have their chance in play-offs. Places 3-6 will be safe, teams ranked 10-12 will demote directly, and those ranked 7-9 will have to defend their league presence in play-offs. We hope that this will affect the fierceness and attractiveness of the competition and each team will be committed to fighting for its goal throughout the season. Link to the new tournament calendar
NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS:
- The new system assumptions are that each lower league level has 3 times more teams than the preceding higher one, and therefore: 1 x 1st league, 3 x 2nd leagues, 9 x 3rd leagues, 27 x 4th leagues, etc. This change makes possible introduction of new promotion and relegation system, but also makes each level more exclusive and prestigious.
- The effect of the reform will be a change in the total number of teams at each league level. While the I and II levels of the game will increase their numbers, starting from the third league number of teams will be reduced. This is exactly illustrated by this table.
- The above changes require a new assignments to individual leagues. At the beginning of next season, old leagues will be reset and ALL teams will be assigned to the new leagues based on their performance this season, creating completely new composition of each league. We describe the rules of attribution in detail below.
RULES OF ASSIGNMENT TO NEW LEAGUES:
1. We play play-offs, promotions and relegations, as usual, at the end of the season.
2. We keep the score (points, goals) with which a given team was relegated or promoted.
3. We delete teams without players (e.g. in PL there are nearly 400 teams).
4. We sort the teams according to the collective tables of a given level of the game, assuming that:
- First, we sort the teams that fell from a higher league level (direct relegations from higher leagues, and play-off losers from higher leagues)
- Then the teams that stayed at the given level (play-off losers from the league level in question, and safe places 2-4)
- At the end, we sort the teams that have advanced to a given level (direct promotions from lower leagues, and play-off winners from lower leagues)
5. We remove all bot teams from the rankings. We adopt one rule: no login in the last 50 days. These teams will not be completely removed and if the owner returns someday, he will be able to resume the game with his own team, with his own resources, but from the lowest league level.
6. The tables created in this way will be the basis for assignment to new leagues.
NECESSARY BUT UNPOPULAR EFFECTS:
- As described above, the number of middle and lower levels of the game will decrease.
- The consequences of the change in the number of teams at a certain level will be situations in which:
a) teams that, according to the old system, would be promoted to a higher level, will remain at the current level.
b) teams that, according to the old system, would remain at the current level, will be assigned to a lower league.
- It is math, and a necessary, one-time adjustment.
- We hope that the increased possibility of promotion from next season and the greater attractiveness of the tournament will be a compensation for the owners of these teams.
- Despite many hours devoted to searching for solutions, in order to introduce changes, it was not possible to find a better solution. It is a necessary, but probably unpopular, effect.
THE EFFECT OF CHANGE ON TRAINING:
- Awaited by you, training reform will not start until the next season, so the next season will be a transitional period. New rules of the game, but still the old rules of training.
- Consequently, thanks to 3 "training" matches every week, it will be possible to train more players: e.g. 3 players with GK, 9 ATT, 15 MID or DEF and as many as 33 players training pace.
- It is also a small gift for you for your patience - use it for the season, in the next season there will be new rules.
- Shortening the season will reduce the number of trainings from 16 to 13 possible so far. Remember this when planning the careers of your pupils.
In final words, we hope the competition next season will be as fierce as the discussion under this post! Good luck to all of you! ~Raul"
Discussão a todo vapor no forum mundial. Gente arrancando os cabelos. Da minha parte considero a melhor notícia dos últimos 10 anos no Sokker. Como afirmei antes, campeonato com 8 times não merece o nome. É, no máximo, um torneio. Agora vai começar pra valer os campeonatos, embora o ideal fossem 16 times. O resto é questão de adaptação, afinal as mudanças são para todos.
Notícia maravilhosa mesmo, as ligas vão ficar muito mais legais.
Uns pontos muito negativos que me preocupam:
1- Lesões: uma semaninha fora e o jogador já perde quase 10% da temporada;
2- Treino: 3 treinos a menos na temporada e velocidade de treino inalterada, ou seja, as gerações atuais e futuras de jogadores serão piores que todas já existentes.
Eu acho muito complicado esses dois pontos pois acabam desmotivando todo mundo, jogadores mais antigos e novos usuários.
A gente vê essa quantidade absurda de jogos em que atacantes com finalização super alta perdem muitos gols bobos, imagina agora quando estiverem piores? E os zagueiros sem secundárias então? Imagina um novato vendo o jogo dele com os zagueiros acertando 5% dos passes... Não há tática que salve rsrs.
Em relação às lesões, eu por exemplo, estaria muito ferrado se estivesse numa série mais forte ou disputando uma copa do Brasil, 4 lesões em 3 semanas seguidas, 2 destas de 25 e 30 dias, é inviável, se querem deixar o jogo aparelho com a realidade que mudem várias coisas então, por mim lesões deveriam se comportar como nos jogos dos juniores ou no máximo uma semana fora, é isto.
Uns pontos muito negativos que me preocupam:
1- Lesões: uma semaninha fora e o jogador já perde quase 10% da temporada;
2- Treino: 3 treinos a menos na temporada e velocidade de treino inalterada, ou seja, as gerações atuais e futuras de jogadores serão piores que todas já existentes.
Eu acho muito complicado esses dois pontos pois acabam desmotivando todo mundo, jogadores mais antigos e novos usuários.
A gente vê essa quantidade absurda de jogos em que atacantes com finalização super alta perdem muitos gols bobos, imagina agora quando estiverem piores? E os zagueiros sem secundárias então? Imagina um novato vendo o jogo dele com os zagueiros acertando 5% dos passes... Não há tática que salve rsrs.
Em relação às lesões, eu por exemplo, estaria muito ferrado se estivesse numa série mais forte ou disputando uma copa do Brasil, 4 lesões em 3 semanas seguidas, 2 destas de 25 e 30 dias, é inviável, se querem deixar o jogo aparelho com a realidade que mudem várias coisas então, por mim lesões deveriam se comportar como nos jogos dos juniores ou no máximo uma semana fora, é isto.
As mudanças no formato da liga são incríveis e são realmente necessárias, o treino da temporada que vem whatever, o mercado se ajusta. Agora o impacto do calendário nas lesões e escolinha me preocupam muito. Essa deve ser o maior impacto no comportamento dos times.
Acredito que isso deve alterar até a forma como os times jogam.
Acredito que isso deve alterar até a forma como os times jogam.
Uma conta rápida: São 14 jogos oficiais da liga (15 com a repescagem). Se o jogo oficial der 90% do treino, então seriam 1260% de treino (ou 12,6 treinos).
Na nova liga são 12 semanas (24 jogos). 1080%, ou 10,8 treinos. Quase 2 treinos a menos.
Agora vem o planejamento: se você mantiver os 10 trainees poderá usá-los 2 vezes na semana. 100% de treino por 12 semanas, 1200%.
"Ah, mas atualmente você tem outro treino oficial que é a primeira semana da copa" sim, mas depois da copa fica só com os amistosos. Rodando o elenco (amistoso + alguns minutos da liga) dá pra tirar essa desvantagem
Na nova liga são 12 semanas (24 jogos). 1080%, ou 10,8 treinos. Quase 2 treinos a menos.
Agora vem o planejamento: se você mantiver os 10 trainees poderá usá-los 2 vezes na semana. 100% de treino por 12 semanas, 1200%.
"Ah, mas atualmente você tem outro treino oficial que é a primeira semana da copa" sim, mas depois da copa fica só com os amistosos. Rodando o elenco (amistoso + alguns minutos da liga) dá pra tirar essa desvantagem
Esses pontos negativos Cesar, existem de fato mas só serão percebidos na prática depois de duas ou três temporadas. Até lá, ajustes pontuais nos mecanismos de progressão das habilidades e no tempo de recuperação dos jogadores lesionados poderão ser feitos. Algumas sugestões já estão sendo feitas no fórum internacional, como aumentar o nível máximo de entrada dos juniores por idade. Acho que o desenvolvedores não vão fazer isso antecipadamente. Irão primeiro verificar o resultado prático das mudanças.
O que eu faria seria simplesmente mudar algumas determinações do engine que são ridículas como um jogador "Excelente" em armação chutar boa parte das bolas pra lateral ante a aproximação de um adversário. Ou seja, eu faria valer o nome das habilidades, porque hoje excelente = ridículo, fenomenal = medíocre e sobrenatural = quebra o galho. Eu faria um up-grade geral no engine pra tornar as partidas mais interessantes e isso resolveria todos esses efeitos colaterais das mudanças anunciadas.
Até porque tornar as subidas mais lentas (ao encurtar as temporadas) e manter o tempo de recuperação das lesões com é hoje faz o jogo ficar bem mais interessante, e próximo de um campeonato real onde às vezes metade do time está injuriado ou suspenso, porque obriga os clubes a formarem um plantel de verdade e não apenas um time principal bombado com no máximo três peças de reposição (GOL, DEF e MID). Já vi time de série alta jogar sem goleiro reserva. Onde isso seria possível?
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O que eu faria seria simplesmente mudar algumas determinações do engine que são ridículas como um jogador "Excelente" em armação chutar boa parte das bolas pra lateral ante a aproximação de um adversário. Ou seja, eu faria valer o nome das habilidades, porque hoje excelente = ridículo, fenomenal = medíocre e sobrenatural = quebra o galho. Eu faria um up-grade geral no engine pra tornar as partidas mais interessantes e isso resolveria todos esses efeitos colaterais das mudanças anunciadas.
Até porque tornar as subidas mais lentas (ao encurtar as temporadas) e manter o tempo de recuperação das lesões com é hoje faz o jogo ficar bem mais interessante, e próximo de um campeonato real onde às vezes metade do time está injuriado ou suspenso, porque obriga os clubes a formarem um plantel de verdade e não apenas um time principal bombado com no máximo três peças de reposição (GOL, DEF e MID). Já vi time de série alta jogar sem goleiro reserva. Onde isso seria possível?
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Tirar a diferença é difícil, mas sem dúvida dá pra encurtar!