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Subject: [MJ]vaalit
Korppi to
Mysi [del]
On se ekonomi alkanut kyselemään harkkapelejä heti valittuaan. On se sittenkin osaava kaveri. Toivottavasti osaa pyytää majestya mediavastaavaksi.
theKarsten to
kepo
Could you please tell us we did you apply for this job? For your virtual sokker CV? Not to serve the community at least.
Your lack of communication is arrogant. When you won the first game you gave us one sentence like "trust me I know what I'm doing". No, you're not Sledgehammer nor David Rasche. With our material a bot with basic tactics (e.g. Normal) would win 60 % of the games so it's no rocket science. In the second game you lost 5-1 against Venezuela. 5-1, that's something very unusual for Finland in the qualifiers. Can't remember when we were beaten that bad but it must be years and years ago. Still, no comments before the game nor after the game. That shows you have no respect for the community.
My point: you are here to serve the community. You should respect the community, not the other way around. We've built the NT and most of us have spent 10+ real life years to get it to the level and position where it is now. In Finland respect needs to be earned. If you're not willing to spend a few minutes before the game to tell about the line-up and tactics you're using and a few minutes after the game to tell what worked and what went wrong in your opinion, which we are used to, it again shows lack of respect to the community. And again leads to the first question I asked; why did you apply for this job?
And the last thing: who are you to moderate users in Suomi Association if you're not going to write anything there anyway? It is also my forum and I post a lot of stuff there concerning U21-team. You kicking out the oldest user in Finland for criticising you with no comment on the forum or his sk-mail is total bs. I don't know if I'm talking for the whole community but at least I'm very, very unsatisfied with the current situation. And I don't mind if we lost 5-1, the arrogance bothers me and it bothers me a lot.
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Your lack of communication is arrogant. When you won the first game you gave us one sentence like "trust me I know what I'm doing". No, you're not Sledgehammer nor David Rasche. With our material a bot with basic tactics (e.g. Normal) would win 60 % of the games so it's no rocket science. In the second game you lost 5-1 against Venezuela. 5-1, that's something very unusual for Finland in the qualifiers. Can't remember when we were beaten that bad but it must be years and years ago. Still, no comments before the game nor after the game. That shows you have no respect for the community.
My point: you are here to serve the community. You should respect the community, not the other way around. We've built the NT and most of us have spent 10+ real life years to get it to the level and position where it is now. In Finland respect needs to be earned. If you're not willing to spend a few minutes before the game to tell about the line-up and tactics you're using and a few minutes after the game to tell what worked and what went wrong in your opinion, which we are used to, it again shows lack of respect to the community. And again leads to the first question I asked; why did you apply for this job?
And the last thing: who are you to moderate users in Suomi Association if you're not going to write anything there anyway? It is also my forum and I post a lot of stuff there concerning U21-team. You kicking out the oldest user in Finland for criticising you with no comment on the forum or his sk-mail is total bs. I don't know if I'm talking for the whole community but at least I'm very, very unsatisfied with the current situation. And I don't mind if we lost 5-1, the arrogance bothers me and it bothers me a lot.
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Slightly agreed and mostly disagreed. The application thread seems to be deleted so can't say precisely anything about that. How this whole thing went is still pretty much like this:
In election a total 13 votes were given which pretty much shows how much we actually value the NT here and if I remember correctly ekonomist won the election without any presentation, which underlines the last point even more. Ironically in u21 election with just one candidate there was 14 votes given.
After the election was over, the next thing that happened was something really weird. Somehow almost everyone here forgot how to speak english so communication would have been pretty much via google translate. That wouldn't really matter anyway since there wasn't much of anything written that is actually related to the NT. We have our own "special" way to communicate here which doesn't look that friendly or welcoming to someone who's not used to that. Basically how it seemed from the start is that we weren't even going to give him a chance, rather just start talking trash straight away and expect civilized communication in return (via google translate of course).
If these weeks have given any idea about our attitude towards our NT, I really don't think it's a positive image in any way. To any complaints about the current situation, what I'd like to give as an answer is: we deserved it. Afaik, kesis is the only one who tried to do anything positive in this situation. If we actually hope for some conversation in the forums how about trying something new: manners.
And about "kicking out the oldest user in Finland" we both know that he asked for it. Not just metaphorically but literally too. (Perinteisesti minut on potkittu täältä pois ja sitä odotan ; Hei hulinaa! En ole vielä saanut kenkää täältä?)
In election a total 13 votes were given which pretty much shows how much we actually value the NT here and if I remember correctly ekonomist won the election without any presentation, which underlines the last point even more. Ironically in u21 election with just one candidate there was 14 votes given.
After the election was over, the next thing that happened was something really weird. Somehow almost everyone here forgot how to speak english so communication would have been pretty much via google translate. That wouldn't really matter anyway since there wasn't much of anything written that is actually related to the NT. We have our own "special" way to communicate here which doesn't look that friendly or welcoming to someone who's not used to that. Basically how it seemed from the start is that we weren't even going to give him a chance, rather just start talking trash straight away and expect civilized communication in return (via google translate of course).
If these weeks have given any idea about our attitude towards our NT, I really don't think it's a positive image in any way. To any complaints about the current situation, what I'd like to give as an answer is: we deserved it. Afaik, kesis is the only one who tried to do anything positive in this situation. If we actually hope for some conversation in the forums how about trying something new: manners.
And about "kicking out the oldest user in Finland" we both know that he asked for it. Not just metaphorically but literally too. (Perinteisesti minut on potkittu täältä pois ja sitä odotan ; Hei hulinaa! En ole vielä saanut kenkää täältä?)
Slightly agreed and mostly disagreed. Well, ok, mostly agreed and slightly diagreed.
13 votes tells it's the way it goes in real life. Those who complain the most are also the ones who don't bother go voting. Unless there is a good candidate for them. So I guess most didn't vote cause there was nobody who they felt they wanted to vote. Well, to be honest, there are maybe 20 active users here anyway so not that many votes missing. But you're right about ekonomist winning without saying anything. Which I find very disturbing and was really surprised after the election cause I didn't even know he was there.
I don't think that the users forgot how to speak English. That was a protest cause we waited for quite some days for some sort of introduction of the new coach and maybe a topic for the new season. But no, the only comment in the thread was to the other candidate saying thanks to him and maybe next time. No thanks for the community for the votes, no nothing. That's why I used the word "arrogant" a couple of times in my last post cause it's the right word. We can communicate in English and we did in the past with some other foreign coaches (for instance andreac, Vikingo67) but to communicate you need a response. Otherwise it's just a monologue.
It all started awry and is not likely to move to any other direction without communication. You know the community, you know us Finns, all of the posts have had only one purpose: to get a response from the NT manager. Based on what we've seen we're not going to get any feedback whatsoever so why bother spending time in making nice, polite posts in English.
And about the last part, do you really think he wanted to be kicked out? You've been here for quite some time, you should know better.
13 votes tells it's the way it goes in real life. Those who complain the most are also the ones who don't bother go voting. Unless there is a good candidate for them. So I guess most didn't vote cause there was nobody who they felt they wanted to vote. Well, to be honest, there are maybe 20 active users here anyway so not that many votes missing. But you're right about ekonomist winning without saying anything. Which I find very disturbing and was really surprised after the election cause I didn't even know he was there.
I don't think that the users forgot how to speak English. That was a protest cause we waited for quite some days for some sort of introduction of the new coach and maybe a topic for the new season. But no, the only comment in the thread was to the other candidate saying thanks to him and maybe next time. No thanks for the community for the votes, no nothing. That's why I used the word "arrogant" a couple of times in my last post cause it's the right word. We can communicate in English and we did in the past with some other foreign coaches (for instance andreac, Vikingo67) but to communicate you need a response. Otherwise it's just a monologue.
It all started awry and is not likely to move to any other direction without communication. You know the community, you know us Finns, all of the posts have had only one purpose: to get a response from the NT manager. Based on what we've seen we're not going to get any feedback whatsoever so why bother spending time in making nice, polite posts in English.
And about the last part, do you really think he wanted to be kicked out? You've been here for quite some time, you should know better.
Ok, we're on the same page with case Korppi too, when reading your post again. He didn't maybe want to be kicked out but was sure as heck asking for it! (smilie)
Basically I'm just imagining I'd be in that situation with friendly schedule to arrange, new players to look at and a completely strange community. Not sure why it took so long for the first posts. The reasons might be good or bad, hard to say afterwards but it was a harsh way to start this way. We've had similar situations before and usually the communication has dropped after WC elimination. In those cases the reason is obvious: motivation is gone after the WC. In this situation it's all just speculation so things escalating this quickly just suprised me.
Personally I rarely write anything in the NT forums but still read the stuff there and the way things are now really sucks. It's hard to say now would things have been better with a better approach from our side or the same way anyways. Still, before we were way more patient. It was at worst 3 or 4 weeks with absolutely nothing from the coach and the reaction was way milder than it is now. Not sure if the communication gets better but at least it's harder to fix now.
Anyway. Lineups and a short info of the tactics, that should be the minimum. There are plenty of old threads to look example from and we can help out with this stuff if there's anything unclear. Let's just hope the damage isn't already done.
Personally I rarely write anything in the NT forums but still read the stuff there and the way things are now really sucks. It's hard to say now would things have been better with a better approach from our side or the same way anyways. Still, before we were way more patient. It was at worst 3 or 4 weeks with absolutely nothing from the coach and the reaction was way milder than it is now. Not sure if the communication gets better but at least it's harder to fix now.
Anyway. Lineups and a short info of the tactics, that should be the minimum. There are plenty of old threads to look example from and we can help out with this stuff if there's anything unclear. Let's just hope the damage isn't already done.
Korppi to
theKarsten
Thanks to all of you. Love you and baikonur! :)
Huomatkaa englantilainen hymiö.
Huomatkaa englantilainen hymiö.
Korppi to
theKarsten
Tuliko nyt paremmin ennakoita ja analyysiä pelistä? Ja onko tullut lisää turkkilaisia moderointeja?
theKarsten to
Korppi
Keskusteluyhteys katkesi ennen kuin ehti aueta, sun syytäsi!
Korppi to
theKarsten
12 käyttäjän Nikarakuaa vastaan 2-0 voitto ja laukauksissa 6-5 tilastovoitto. Ei tuo vakuuta ollenkaan. Nyt tuli varmaan hyvät ennakot ja kootut selitykset?
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U-21 sen kuin porskuttaa. Ihmeellistä vaikka valmentajan meriitit on tuota luokkaa?
Olen väärässä. Keniaa vastaan ei tarvitse edes kaikkia vaihtomiehiä kun kairataan voitto kotiin. Ekonomi on nero.
Joo, en tiedä, miksi jättää yhden paikan(16) käyttämättä. Tänään oli aloituksessa pelikieltoinen Somerkari, joten Jaakko Saariniemi tuli penkiltä. Muistaakseni Jaakko on kuitenkin keskikenttäpelaaja Panu Saariniemi on enemmän puolustaja. Tais mennä nuo sekaisin. Muuten ihan nerokas voitto, mutta onneksi ei ollut kova vastustaja...