Subject: U21 skravleplassen

Dear friends!

Norge U21 - Prathet Thai U21 2:1

We are playing Copa America right now and this is our group:



Here you can get more information about it: https://sokker.org/forum_topic/ID_forum/16126/ID_topic/3528311/pg/9

After every World Cup season, building the new generation is a big task and I am in the process of building the latest generation. I have found a roster of 30 players. They are good guys and all of them need some more training. We are particularly thin in defense and midfield (in the sense that we have to fill those positions with U19 players). In the forwards we are incredibly well set, but that only applies to the U20s. The U19 forward is not there yet.

The star of our U20 team is clearly Stein Rognerud. This is a striker who can single-handedly secure the Norwegian victory in make games, as he did against Thailand.


Stein Rognerud after a goal

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How to update your player skills?
1) Sokker Asistente
2) Sokker Asistente: fill the form
3) Use one of the both forums: Oppdateringsforum for NT (soe) or Forum Norge Association (you have to join and then you can create for each player a thread)

and here you see the Data Base of Norge U21

>>>Squad U21 Norge<<<
Do you have a new potential player for the U21s? Contact me immediately via Sokker Mail!

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How to put numbers in player's skills?
You can do it here: https://sokker.org/user/ID_user, after than: nivå -> navn på skill

That would be very useful for everyone!
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Dear friends!



We made it to the next round by the narrowest of margins because we were still one of the top four 3rd place finishers. It struck me that we are increasingly struggling to maintain a good game. My tactical ideas demand too much and I will set up something easier.

I also used the time to get a comprehensive update from players. I have noticed the following things:

I scouted players 2 seasons ago who were already 18 years old at the time and these players were very well trained. Suddenly a number of players are not being trained as reliably well. Many of them could not show any or only one up since 16.12.2021. But this is not generally due to the Norwegian managers, but the players who are trained abroad.

Therefore my appeal to you: If you have an U21 player, train them reliably. It is worth its weight in gold if the player can play at least 90 minutes of league play or 90 minutes of friendly + 20 minutes of league play per week. Regular use and proper training is already very effective. It can't be that the U20 still has only one defensive player who has at least Pace 12and Def 12. Other nations of our size already have at least 4-5 such players who can fulfill these criteria.

Nevertheless, we will give everything for the upcoming match against Venezuela.

Let's go!

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How to update your player skills?
1) Sokker Asistente
2) Sokker Asistente: fill the form
3) Use one of the both forums: Oppdateringsforum for NT (soe) or Forum Norge Association (you have to join and then you can create for each player a thread)

and here you see the Data Base of Norge U21

>>>Squad U21 Norge<<<
Do you have a new potential player for the U21s? Contact me immediately via Sokker Mail!

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How to put numbers in player's skills?
You can do it here: https://sokker.org/user/ID_user, after than: nivå -> navn på skill

That would be very useful for everyone!
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Dear friends!

Unfortunately, we were eliminated without a fight against Venezuela. Venezuela has very strong players and was very strong.

I hope now that we all get along with the new change in Sokker and in circulation is the new weekly schedule. The U21 games will be played on Saturday in the future.

About the U21: It has become very difficult to find an optimal lineup of players. Sure, we have some excellent players, but not one team. It is our turn to demand such a team. We have a big problem in the defense and we can not defend. I'm going to intensify my efforts here to improve the defensive side, and I need to get more involved with defensive tactics there.

I do my best and during the qualification we will try again to get the 2nd place, although we will probably start from the pot 4.

For this I need your support, also in the elections. Here is the link: https://sokker.org/election/pollID/31348

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How to update your player skills?
1) Sokker Asistente
2) Sokker Asistente: fill the form
3) Use one of the both forums: Oppdateringsforum for NT (soe) or Forum Norge Association (you have to join and then you can create for each player a thread)

and here you see the Data Base of Norge U21

>>>Squad U21 Norge<<<
Do you have a new potential player for the U21s? Contact me immediately via Sokker Mail!

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How to put numbers in player's skills?
You can do it here: https://sokker.org/user/ID_user, after than: nivå -> navn på skill

That would be very useful for everyone!
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Thanks for the impressive work with U21. I see there will be changes and I will be able to train 15 midlfielders every week. Do you know if there will be changes in training, ? I have not found anything about it, only number of players trained. Will playing two matches give higher training effect ? I have 4 possible NT players, 4 21-22 years old promising young players and 3 talented 19 year possible U21 and some others I can train.

Another problem is to have a decent team in league matches if I can't use my best players due to training

I see that here in Norway, too, there is a need for information regarding changes in the league/training. I will focus more on training coverage and less on game coverage.

Provided, of course, that I am re-elected.

Now to quickly answer your questions:
- The new season will be 13 weeks long (previously 16).
- The new training system is not implemented yet. The introduction of this training system is planned for the season after next.
- The new season includes at least 2 competitive games per week. There is also a slot for friendlies and cup games. There are also U21/NT games. So, lots of options.
- Due to this change, you can train 3 goalkeepers, 15 defenders, 15 midfielders or 9 forwards at the same time for one season.

The question is: do we have enough trainable players? I recommend training some players 100% for this.

Here is a small overview that our sokker friend tsolias has put together:


I will be happy to provide more information on this topic in this thread!

You'll be able to train 33 players in Pace at 100% effectiveness those weeks you play Cup and League (therefore 3 official matches a week)

You'll be able to train 15 players in Defense or Tecnique or Passing or Playmaking at 100% effectiveness those weeks you play Cup and League (therefore 3 official matches a week)

You'll be able to train 9 players in Striker at 100% effectiveness those weeks you play Cup and League (therefore 3 official matches a week)

You'll be able to train 3 players in goalkeeping at 100% effectiveness those weeks you play Cup and League (therefore 3 official matches a week)

Take into account that from the week where Cup begins until the end of the season (13 weeks), Cup/Friendly matches will be the first match of the "training week". That means that if your first-team players are sent off in an official match, you wont have the "easy match" at the end of the training week to put him to complete his training, because now on Wednesday you'll have a League Match instead of an "easy one" (let it be Cup or Friendly).
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Interesting group!


1. Suomi U21
2. Magyarország U21
3. Norge U21
4. Latvija U21
5. Kypros U21

You'll be able to train 33 players in Pace at 100% effectiveness those weeks you play Cup and League (therefore 3 official matches a week)

Do we know what the training % for the friendly instead of a cup game will be?

i am looking to buy players to train full capasity, so if anyone has a schema to set up this it would be great.

For the moment i having a hard time training pace and trying to get all to 100% without missing anyone out, substitutions NT players and so on.

I have a schema with various training models. I will share with you with tonight.

I have now created training models with variant 1 (DEF, TEC, PM and PAS) and with variant 2 (Pace). The players are numbered so that you can mark your players accordingly.

I think that especially with pace training it is not worth to try to train 33 players at once. When this season is over and the new training system is introduced (where you can only train 10 players), many players will end up in the TL and prices will be lower than usual. It would be smarter to focus on less players and train them 100% for that. You can find out the number of players and how many minutes they should play in the corresponding games here under the Norwegian Forum. Here is the link:

Norwegian Federation: https://sokker.org/federation/ID_federation/27 -> If you are not a member, you can register here. If this is done, contact me via PN, so that I can unlock you.
Forum Norwegian Association: https://sokker.org/forum/ID_forum/31572
Thread Trainingsmodel Saison 61: https://sokker.org/forum_topic/ID_forum/31572/ID_topic/3544817

If you still don't have access to it, please contact me. All users from Norway will be accepted without discussion. Just report.
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Training did not change: we are playing with exactly the same training code as in the previous season, so the % of efficiency of friendly training against cup training is exactly the same as it was last week (BTW, we never knew exactly what was the %, that detail has never been disclosed).

My personal opinion is that friendly training efficiency is near 90% of an official match training, but there are people that thinks is even less (about 60%).
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I agree regarding the consequences of training pace for 33 players and that by the end of the season you'll have to get rid of most of them and selling prices will be lower than now.

But on the other side, take into account that now seasons are 13 weeks long. That means 3 weeks less of training per player.
So focusing in training players 100% in a non-pace skill would be good because you'll be able to train more players, but the effect of training by the end of the season on each individual player will be small. The dissapointment by the end of the season when you look at each individual training result will be big.

So perhaps you can compensate that dissapointment by training some players oriented to be sold. As I said: you can train more players, but with less training per season. There is no way of escaping to that fact.

From Devs Diary 62, published today:

"Q: What about pace training? If max 10 players can be trained, will it remain the slowest skill to raise or will it be improved?
A: Pace will remain the slowest trained skill. The reform should reduce the situation where all players in the stronger leagues have a pace close to the maximum. In our opinion, this will make the games more attractive and increase the value of pace skill itself."

So in fact Pace will become the most valuable skill in the game, because it will be the hardest to train, its required by the 11 positions and it will be trained as part of the 10 slots just like any other skill. So in the near future we can start seeing mid 20's multidivine players but with Pace not maximezed. This makes me rethink if its not worth to train "Pace" in this transition season

Dear Norwegian friends!

We had now had a series of friendly matches. We have had to experience painful defeat in many games and I know that too. Our playing material has changed a lot and our situation in defense is different than before. That's why I was testing with which formation we should play.

In the last game we finally showed that we can do better. To be fair, Italy fielded U20 with 1 U21 player while we were allowed to play with U21 (we still had to play with 5 U20 players). With a bit of luck we could have won the game (maybe already a bit undeserved) when our star striker Rognerud missed the chance after a 1vs1 duel.

Our WC-Qualification group:

1. Suomi U21
2. Magyarország U21
3. Norge U21
4. Latvija U21
5. Kypros U21

Note that we will play 2 games at the same time: https://sokker.org/matches/teamID/427/page/1 -> I have no idea if this will be fixed. I do not know what to say about this :), check week 7 and week 10!

Today the last day for election: https://sokker.org/election/pollID/31348

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How to update your player skills?
1) Sokker Asistente
2) Sokker Asistente: fill the form
3) Use one of the both forums: Oppdateringsforum for NT (soe) or Forum Norge Association (you have to join and then you can create for each player a thread)

and here you see the Data Base of Norge U21

>>>Squad U21 Norge<<<
Do you have a new potential player for the U21s? Contact me immediately via Sokker Mail!

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How to put numbers in player's skills?
You can do it here: https://sokker.org/user/ID_user, after than: nivå -> navn på skill

That would be very useful for everyone!
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Trainingmodels Saison 61

Norwegian Federation: https://sokker.org/federation/ID_federation/27 -> If you are not a member, you can register here. If this is done, contact me via PN, so that I can unlock you.
Forum Norwegian Association: https://sokker.org/forum/ID_forum/31572
Thread Trainingsmodel Saison 61: https://sokker.org/forum_topic/ID_forum/31572/ID_topic/3544817

If you still don't have access to it, please contact me. All users from Norway will be accepted without discussion.

Yes, its happening in week 6 and 7. Week 10 seems correct. The doubled matches of those 2 seem to correspond to the empty slots in week 8 and 9.
Clearly the testing process of all these code changes must have been close to "non existent".