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ja san kritican prema hajduku vise nego prema dinamu jer san na tribini provea ohoho vrimena al on nije tema price sad (sta trenutno mislin o hajduku nek ti kaze ovo -- 5-6 sezona san propustia mozda nekih 5-10 utakmica na poljudu i to racunajuci rana kola kupa kad bi znalo po ogromnoj ledari bit 500injak ljudi, npr protiv mladosti 127. dok je jos bila u drugoj ligi). zadnja utakmica na kojoj san bia je ona protiv varteksa kad je napravljena lakrdija i ciro postavljen za trenera.
a o dinamu -- dinamo je ima najbolju generaciju koje se ja mogu sitit a nije napravia nista u zadnje 2 godine. ne racunajuci utakmice s azerima kad su podbacili, u svim ostalim su bili znatno bolji a vi zbrojite (osim s ajaxom u gostima) koliko su bodova osvojili. slucajno??? isto ko sta hajduku "slucajno" bodove uzima ko se siti. i taj hajduk nije bia losiji od sampdorie (dapace) pa je ispa, isto slucajno?? malo sutra slucajno...
a o dinamu -- dinamo je ima najbolju generaciju koje se ja mogu sitit a nije napravia nista u zadnje 2 godine. ne racunajuci utakmice s azerima kad su podbacili, u svim ostalim su bili znatno bolji a vi zbrojite (osim s ajaxom u gostima) koliko su bodova osvojili. slucajno??? isto ko sta hajduku "slucajno" bodove uzima ko se siti. i taj hajduk nije bia losiji od sampdorie (dapace) pa je ispa, isto slucajno?? malo sutra slucajno...
dinamo kad nabavi bolje napadače onda više neće biti slučajnosti, da imamo bolje napadače ne bi se ni pričalo o Šifi i lošoj obrani. činjenica je da nitko, ama baš nitko ove sezone nije nadigrao vezni red dinama, i sad tko je tu kriv što nema golova, pa naravno napadači.
imam filing kad bi vukojevića prebacili u napad da bi zabio više golova nego ovi nepokretni panjevi (ajd izuzetak mandžukić, makar ni on nije nešto).
još neki dan pročitam da nam dolazi biščan, pffff, šta će nam on, taj nikad nije imao pojma igrat.
imam filing kad bi vukojevića prebacili u napad da bi zabio više golova nego ovi nepokretni panjevi (ajd izuzetak mandžukić, makar ni on nije nešto).
još neki dan pročitam da nam dolazi biščan, pffff, šta će nam on, taj nikad nije imao pojma igrat.
Slažem se u vezi napadača ali nemožeš reć da nikad Bišćan nije imao pojma igrat!
Onaj ko zaigra u Liverpoola nemože bit loš a da je papak i đubre što ne namećo neki presing što neigra za reprezentaciju zbog toga ga ni ja nemogu organski! I po meni on više nikad "ni na koljenima" nebi vidio reprezentacije.
A dabaće da bi on bio solidno pojaćanje Dinamovoj vezi.
Stoga moj je komentar: Neka dođe papak žuti u Dinamo i okonča karijeru u njemu. Ali u repku više nikad!!!
Onaj ko zaigra u Liverpoola nemože bit loš a da je papak i đubre što ne namećo neki presing što neigra za reprezentaciju zbog toga ga ni ja nemogu organski! I po meni on više nikad "ni na koljenima" nebi vidio reprezentacije.
A dabaće da bi on bio solidno pojaćanje Dinamovoj vezi.
Stoga moj je komentar: Neka dođe papak žuti u Dinamo i okonča karijeru u njemu. Ali u repku više nikad!!!
po meni on nikad nije imao pojma. u liverpoolu je možda nekoliko utakmica odigrao svih 90 minuta, ostalo su bile mrvice.
sjećam se da smo se na tribini valjali od smijeha kad bi lik krenuo u kontru, glava u pod i trči do protivničkog šesnestrca i u 99% slučajeva krivo dodao loptu :)). da je imao volju, imao je, to priznam :)
činjenica je da već neko vrijeme nije igrao, a i u grčkoj se nije naigrao. kad bi sve zbrojio vjerojatno bi ispalo da već dvije, tri sezone nije odigrao poštenu utakmicu. stvarno ne vidim niti jedno mjesto u dinamu za njega i na koji način bi nas on mogao pojačat.
vratili šokotu, odmah sam rekao katastrofa.
vratili balabana, imao sam istu reakciju.
ne vidim nikakvog smisla u vraćanju već isluženih igrača, po meni to nije nikakav korak naprijed.
sjećam se da smo se na tribini valjali od smijeha kad bi lik krenuo u kontru, glava u pod i trči do protivničkog šesnestrca i u 99% slučajeva krivo dodao loptu :)). da je imao volju, imao je, to priznam :)
činjenica je da već neko vrijeme nije igrao, a i u grčkoj se nije naigrao. kad bi sve zbrojio vjerojatno bi ispalo da već dvije, tri sezone nije odigrao poštenu utakmicu. stvarno ne vidim niti jedno mjesto u dinamu za njega i na koji način bi nas on mogao pojačat.
vratili šokotu, odmah sam rekao katastrofa.
vratili balabana, imao sam istu reakciju.
ne vidim nikakvog smisla u vraćanju već isluženih igrača, po meni to nije nikakav korak naprijed.
Bišćan je u četiri sezone u Liverpoolu odigrao 120 utakmica što u Ligi što u Kupu, što Europi. Sa Liverpoolom osvojio je naslov prvaka Europe. Igrao je u prosjeku 30 utakmica po sezoni (nije bio neki grijač klupe, nego aktivni sudionik te momčadi).
Tako da baš ne možeš reći kako se radi o nekom totalnom outsideru, pokušaj samo nabrojat naše igrače koji su osvojili Ligu prvaka.
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Tako da baš ne možeš reći kako se radi o nekom totalnom outsideru, pokušaj samo nabrojat naše igrače koji su osvojili Ligu prvaka.
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O Bišćanu, na stranici Liverpoola
Croatian Igor Biscan played a big role in Liverpool winning the Champions League in 2005 with a series of impressive performances in the centre of midfield.
A big money signing at 5.5 million from Dinamo Zagreb in 2000 Biscan originally signed as a central midfielder but former boss Gerard Houllier felt he was a centre half.
However, under Rafael Benitez Biscan was much improved back in midfield and had some memorable performances in the Champions League against the likes of Deportivo La Coruna, Bayer Leverkusen, Juventus and Chelsea.
It was at the European under-21 Championships in Slovakia, during the summer of 2000, that Liverpool first became aware of Igor Biscan and Gerard Houllier had to beat off competition from Juventus, Barcelona, Ajax and AC Milan to secure his signature.
The highly rated Croatia Zagreb midfielder joined the Reds for 5.5 million in December 2000 and he arrived at Anfield with an impressive track record. Despite his young age he was already a regular in the Croatia national side and had captained his club, Croatia Zagreb, in the Champions League and UEFA Cup.
Biscan did not have long to wait before pulling on a red shirt for the first time. Just two days after signing he came on as a substitute against Ipswich and, although Liverpool lost 1-0, he made an instant impression, showing neat touches and silky skills.
Indeed in the early part of the treble season Igor was excellent in a midfield role during the wins over Manchester United and Arsenal, but despite dominating midfield against the likes of Roy Keane and Patrick Vieira was never seen again in the position and used as a right and left sided midfielder, right back and centre half by Houllier.
Croatian Igor Biscan played a big role in Liverpool winning the Champions League in 2005 with a series of impressive performances in the centre of midfield.
A big money signing at 5.5 million from Dinamo Zagreb in 2000 Biscan originally signed as a central midfielder but former boss Gerard Houllier felt he was a centre half.
However, under Rafael Benitez Biscan was much improved back in midfield and had some memorable performances in the Champions League against the likes of Deportivo La Coruna, Bayer Leverkusen, Juventus and Chelsea.
It was at the European under-21 Championships in Slovakia, during the summer of 2000, that Liverpool first became aware of Igor Biscan and Gerard Houllier had to beat off competition from Juventus, Barcelona, Ajax and AC Milan to secure his signature.
The highly rated Croatia Zagreb midfielder joined the Reds for 5.5 million in December 2000 and he arrived at Anfield with an impressive track record. Despite his young age he was already a regular in the Croatia national side and had captained his club, Croatia Zagreb, in the Champions League and UEFA Cup.
Biscan did not have long to wait before pulling on a red shirt for the first time. Just two days after signing he came on as a substitute against Ipswich and, although Liverpool lost 1-0, he made an instant impression, showing neat touches and silky skills.
Indeed in the early part of the treble season Igor was excellent in a midfield role during the wins over Manchester United and Arsenal, but despite dominating midfield against the likes of Roy Keane and Patrick Vieira was never seen again in the position and used as a right and left sided midfielder, right back and centre half by Houllier.
ma nema šanse da je odigrao 118 utakmica, nemam pojma šta su oni tu zbrajali. e sad baš idem prošvrljat po netu
Igor
ovo mi je nekako najlogičnije objašnjenje kako su došli do tih 118, ajd tu je 117 odigranih tekmi.
jednostavno ne vjerujem da je odigrao 118 tekmi za liverpool, jer sam tada dosta pratio englesku ligu
ovo mi je nekako najlogičnije objašnjenje kako su došli do tih 118, ajd tu je 117 odigranih tekmi.
jednostavno ne vjerujem da je odigrao 118 tekmi za liverpool, jer sam tada dosta pratio englesku ligu
evo još jedna stranica gdje je omjer 61 tekma započeta i 30 ušao s klupe
Opet Igor
evo podataka i sa wiki:
Years Club App (Gls)*
1997–1998 Dinamo Zagreb 05 0(0)
1997–1998 Samobor (loan) 12 0(1)
1998–2000 Dinamo Zagreb 65 (11)
2000–2005 Liverpool 72 0(2)
2005–2007 Panathinaikos 20 0(3)
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Opet Igor
evo podataka i sa wiki:
Years Club App (Gls)*
1997–1998 Dinamo Zagreb 05 0(0)
1997–1998 Samobor (loan) 12 0(1)
1998–2000 Dinamo Zagreb 65 (11)
2000–2005 Liverpool 72 0(2)
2005–2007 Panathinaikos 20 0(3)
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jednostavno ne vjerujem da je odigrao 118 tekmi za liverpool
mislim da je bezpredmetno o ovom raspravljat kad se podatak nalazi u statistici liverpoola i premershipa (ili misliš da lažu?)
mislim da je bezpredmetno o ovom raspravljat kad se podatak nalazi u statistici liverpoola i premershipa (ili misliš da lažu?)
sa wiki
Bišćan made 118 appearances for Liverpool, and scored three goals. The first came in a Worthington Cup semi-final second leg against Crystal Palace at Anfield, which Liverpool won 5-0 on the night (having previously been 2-1 down after the first leg). The second came in a 4-2 victory over Fulham at Craven Cottage. Liverpool came from 2-0 down to win 4-2. Biscan came on as a late substitute and scored with his second touch of the game. His third goal was a late winner in the 1-0 victory over Bolton Wanderers at Anfield. During his time at Liverpool, Bišćan made himself a cult hero among the fans, particularly in his final European campaign.
Bišćan made 118 appearances for Liverpool, and scored three goals. The first came in a Worthington Cup semi-final second leg against Crystal Palace at Anfield, which Liverpool won 5-0 on the night (having previously been 2-1 down after the first leg). The second came in a 4-2 victory over Fulham at Craven Cottage. Liverpool came from 2-0 down to win 4-2. Biscan came on as a late substitute and scored with his second touch of the game. His third goal was a late winner in the 1-0 victory over Bolton Wanderers at Anfield. During his time at Liverpool, Bišćan made himself a cult hero among the fans, particularly in his final European campaign.
ne, nego da su nešto drugačije zbrajali.
a sa wiki sam i ja stavio podatke tako da o tome... :))
a sa wiki sam i ja stavio podatke tako da o tome... :))
uostalom nebitno, i dalje mislim da je to loša investicija za dinamo.
da je klasa liverpool ga sigurno ne bi pustio i to u najboljim godinama, o grčkoj ne trebamo ni pričati.
da je klasa liverpool ga sigurno ne bi pustio i to u najboljim godinama, o grčkoj ne trebamo ni pričati.
pa možda nije klasa za Liverpool (sada, tada je sigurno bio, jer ne bi igrao da nije), ali za HNL svakako je
IMO SVATKO tko je igrao u Ligi prvaka, je daleko iznad klase HNL-a
IMO SVATKO tko je igrao u Ligi prvaka, je daleko iznad klase HNL-a