Subject: Finalised U21 NT

To quote Borkos,

The thing is that you're the NT coach. You shouldn't make it a business and a trade card. You should use best players, not your players

I HAVE been using the best players in the U21 NT! All those users who have been following the U21 NT knows this! I have even listed those players who are in the U21 NT in the forums for all to see, together with all their skills!!! You didn't go and see, that's not my problem!!

I have only 2 players in the U21 NT, Darumami (who came out as magical from YS and has a talent of 3!) and Perisamy (who was Slaynax's player and who was in the U21 NT even before I bought him over)! So technically, I only have 1 player in the U21 NT!!!

Does this means I have used the NT as a business and trade card??? What is Borkos talking about??? That I didn't use the best players, only my players???

To jsq888(The Noobs One),

Everyone likes to think they know alot, but most of the time they know very little of what is happening! Like I said, dun quote others who do not even know the whole picture! Sometimes, it may make you look like a FOOL! Dun do that...

Those who are very active in the forums know how I play the game and how much I have done for SG community and the U21 NT! You dun know bcos you are not active in the forum! So you should take this opportunity to be more active in the forum and participate in EVERY discussion so that you know what is happening around here, before you decide to get involved in something like this and create more tension & misunderstanding!
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I not active in forum? I dun write much not mean i'm not active big boy. I read everyday dude.
I create tension? Wat benefit can i get from tat?
i got nothing to say abt tis anymore. Good luck =)
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Lol. Dun write much = dun participate much = not active! Reading everyday doesn't mean you're active. :)
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It was only AFTER Anaconda bought the player that I took the player out of NT bcos I dun intend to play him in the following match which was a friendly!!!
mate, I have a sk-mail from you saying that he is not in NT because I didn't pay for NT place also!! Stop this bullshit you're saying now... I have proofs on my sk-mail, you said with your own fingers that he is not in NT because I payed too little for him, and POINT!


anyway, here it is, take him and wash your head with him!
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Yes I did say that, didn't I?? I can say anything I like to jerks like you! I dun have to give you face! I put anyone I like in my NT and it's none of your bloody business! Dun think just bcos you are in the game longer than I, you can threaten and intimidate me!

I dun take kindly to threats and intimidation. And dun think I am stupid and do not know what was in your mind!

Before you bid for my player, u DIDN"T WANT me to play him in NT, and you told me to put him on TL as early in the morning as possible! You know this will help keep his price low so that when you put in your bid for him, not many people would fight with you, isn't it? You wanted to put me at a disadvantage when I sold my player to you by not getting as high a price as possible!! But when I insist on playing him in the NT, you said you dun want him anymore!

Then when I put him up for sale, you went to bid for him! So, you LIED to me! You said you didn't want my player at first, but when you saw his price is low, you bid for him! Of course, I can't say ur wrong in that!

But what PISSED me off is after you got him, you WANT me to play him in the NT??!!! You wanted it so that you could fetch a higher price for him when you sell him, dun you?!! U think i dun know???

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Bloody hell! At first you agreed on a price with me, then ask me to put him as early as possible in the morning, then ask me not to play him in NT etc, etc, etc... Everything I agreed with you! But when I insist I will play him in NT, you renege on our deal, conveniently saying you have found another player! Then when you bought him, you want me to play him in NT??!

WTF??!! First, you dun want me to play him in NT, then you want me to play him in NT.... Who the f*** do you think you are trying to manipulate me??? You are just showing me what a JERK you are! Unfortunately, a few people are stupid enough not to see thru you and stood on your side! U think you can push me around like a ball???

So when I told you I WILL NOT play him in NT anymore after you bought him, you THREATENED me by giving me an ultimatum!!! You said 1) Either I play him or 2) You'll make life hell for me if I dun play him!! DIDN"T YOU???

So Kiddo, why dun you SHOW everyone the threatening and intimidating message that you sent me? And all the messages before that? Including all the messages that was the whole deal process? And the one that you said you dun want my player anymore! Dun only put messages to your advantage, put ALL the messages that we have sent each other since you said you have proofs! People are not as stupid as you think! Ok, some are! You can trick fools but you can't trick smart people!

Go ahead! Why dun you put ALL the messages to show everyone the WHOLE picture, huh?? You conveniently left out many messages!!! Why put only the one that says "I told you because you didn't pay NT price, so I dun put him in NT"?? You knew this is the only message would be my undoing, whereas the rest of the messages would show ppl the WHOLE picture and let ppl realised what a big jerk you are!

You dare to say you didn't tell me to not put the player in the NT BEFORE you bought him???? You dare to say you didn't threaten me by saying you'll make life hell for me if I dun play the player in NT?????

You think you can fool me with your antics? You wanted everything to ur advantage, dun you? Before you bought my player, you want his price to be AS LOW AS possible so you asked me not to put him in NT and to put him on TL in the morning, clearly putting me at a disadvantage! Then, after you bought my player, you want his price to be AS HIGH AS possible by telling me I MUST put him in NT, so that it benefits you!! If I dun play him, you will make my life hell!!

Well kiddo, let me tell you this, the world doesn't work this way!!! I'm nobody's fool!!

Anaconda, WHY DUN YOU STOP ALL THESE CRAP AND BULLSHIT YOURSELF??! If you were good to me, I'd be twice as good to you! But if you want to f*** around with me, then be prepared I'll f*** you back twice as hard!!! Know who are dealing with before you pick a fight! Not everyone is a fool and easily intimidated or threatened!

We are all tired of your nonsense already! Even ppl in the international forums are telling you to stuff it, FFS!

So, be a good boy and stop acting like a spoilt brat!! And dun think we are fools!
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Congratulations, you just showed that you did indeed mix the NT and your own roles.

You keep giving excuses, but the fact is that you did.

Also, despite your constant bluster, it is obvious that you know that you've done something wrong.

We can see this from the simple fact that when this whole matter first came up, the first thing you did was to delete ALL the sk mails.

An innocent man would have kept them as evidence. Instead, you choose to talk a lot but with no real evidence, and conduct ad hominem attacks.

It doesn't matter whether the other player lied to you or not regarding whether he was going to buy the player. The fact is that you DID mix NT and personal roles, and used the NT position to influence the potential price of your own player.

Tell me where did I mix NT and my own roles?! Show ppl the facts pls? I am not giving excuses, just stating what EXACTLY happened! If you think those are excuses, I can't stop you!

The fact is that you DID mix NT and personal roles, and used the NT position to influence the potential price of your own player.

WHERE IS THE FACT???

If any of my players are not good enough for the NT and I put them inside the team, then yes, I am mixing my roles! But if the player is good enough, tell me why I shouldn't put him in the NT?! Just bcos I am about to sell the player, I can't put him in the NT, even if he's good enough, is it??? If that is so, tell me when can I put such a player in the NT... is it AFTER i've sold him then I can put??? WHAT THE CRAP ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, RIFTE??! DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING???

There are times when a youth that just came out from your YS is good enough to play in the U21 NT but unfortunately, not fall within your training plans. You have to sell him!!! Right?? And youths come out on a thursday! You put him on TL he gets sold on a saturday!!! In between there's a NT match on a friday!!! (I dun blame you if you've not had youth players who are good enough for the U21 NT yet. But it's not my fault my YS is better than yours in producing better players! Is it???)

So if I put him on TL on a thursday, he plays in NT match on friday, he gets sold on saturday... This means I influence the sale of my own player??? If like that, then tell me, when can i sell him????? Or when can I play him in NT??? I will never be able to sell him or play him! Either way, I get accused!!!! Then like this i dun have to play already! I might as well not have a YS or keep SG players or dun be my own country's NT coach!!!

Tell you what,

WHY NOT NEXT SEASON YOU BE THE NT COACH??? I VOTE FOR YOU!!!

THEN WHEN YOU HAVE A YOUTH COME OUT FROM YS AND YOU PUT HIM UP FOR SALE ON THURSDAY,
BUT BCOS HE'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR NT AS WELL, YOU PLAY HIM ON FRIDAY,
AND HE GETS SOLD ON SATURDAY,

I WILL SEND YOU A MSG ACCUSING YOU OF INFLUENCING THE SALE OF YOUR OWN PLAYER! HOW ABOUT IT? I'D LOVE TO DO THAT!

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Anyway, I have the habit of deleting mails after I read them! Why should I keep unwanted mails? Just bcos I didn't keep the mails doesn't mean I'm guilty! I am not petty like some ppl who keeps every message by others just to pick a fight with them!

Why dun you go ask him whether what I said about him is true if you are so perturb about this whole thing?? Ask him to show you ALL the mails since he is the one who wants to start this fight! I can't be bothered! Frankly speaking, I dun give a damn! It's bcos Anaconda started this, I just mentioned what EXACTLY happened! I do not have the intention for this in the first place. But, you're entitled to your views, noone can stop you!

But if you or the others want to think that I mix my roles, then carry on! It doesn't bother me. This is just a game to me anyway!

Quite frankly, I am getting sick of ALL these! Talking to ppl who are never active in the SG forums, never participate in the SG community... dun know what the f*** is happening... and then just stick their head out to shout about when things happen.

You seldom participate in other topics. You never participate in the Senior or U21 NT forums. You dun bother about what is happening around here... And suddenly you are so bothered about whether I am mixing my roles or not! Whereas others who participate often in the forums, senior & U21 NT forums and bother about what happens around here in the SG community hardly even mention anything!

Interesting, isn't it? Only the you and the other one, the two most inactive guys here in the forum, suddenly become so active in this topic and condemn me! The two most ignorant guys around here who doesn't know what is happening in the SG community suddenly take an interest around here! Wow!

Rifte, I can count the number of threads you post in the SG forums with my fingers! That's so typical of you! Like most people in Singapore, who think they know alot, never contribute much to the country or society, never volunteer for anything, never help others, dun know what is happening behind the scenes etc... but when something happens, they complain about others, condemn others and think that their views are right! Thats when they suddenly become so vocal!
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An innocent man would have kept them as evidence. Instead, you choose to talk a lot but with no real evidence, and conduct ad hominem attacks.

As I said, that's so typical of you! Go back a few threads... You will see one of the evidence!

So far, whatever Anaconda said against me, I have defended myself as I have done nothing wrong! But what I have said about him, why didn't he defend himself if he's innocent? Sometimes you've just got to use a little bit of your brain to think instead of your mouth to shout (in this case fingers to type).

I've got nothing to hide, that's why I say EVERYTHING out! But Anaconda chose to conveniently leave out alot of details!

Tell you what Rifte, I think everyone is sick and tired of this issue already. There are already alot of threads on this. People can go read and come to their own conclusions! They dun need you, or me, or anyone else to continue posting anymore of this discussion!

If it makes you happy to have issues with me, then send them to my inbox! Keep this thread free! Afterall, it is titled "Finalised U21 NT" and not "Rifte & Co. vs Klvn"! I think everyone will appreciate it!

Or if you want, you can start a new thread on this issue! But keep this thread free of everything else but issues related to what the title says, pls! Thanks!
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Stop trying to make personal attacks.

It seems clear that you do not know how to address facts. Instead, you make constant ad hominen attacks and try to avoid the issue.

You also contradict yourself, saying that I don't post a lot, then suddenly that a particular action is 'typical'.

Address the facts, and stop trying to drown them in a sea of rubbish. As much as you try to disguise it, the fact is that you indeed did use your NT position to influence the selling price of your player.

It doesn't matter that you sold a player who was in the NT. If a player is good enough, he should be in obviously. However, you used your NT position in a way that was completely unethical.

You will naturally give more nonsense about 'typical Singaporeans', but we are all Singaporean, and there is no way we can support corrupt people. And shame on you for attacking people just because they are foreign. Right and wrong knows no country.

Yeah, it's fine if you keep defending yourself. But I see no need to call jsq and rifte ignorants, and discriminate NIC as a foreigner. Anaconda has already apologised, why can't you and just let things go?

I agreed with Valgan. There is no point to continue arguing with this topic. Mistakes have been made but it is already past. We should look for future and learn from the mistake. Continuing this will only be bad for SG U21.

pls dun write any other den U21 topic here

U can go to NEW Topic on: Klvn & Anaconda War

Thanks as requested by Klvn