Subject: Klvn & Anaconda War

I am not attacking you! I didn't start this nonsense. Only those who attacks me, I defend myself! It is my principle!

I am just replying to what you have written. If you think I put my pride and principle over a game of sokker is wrong, then next season you apply to be our NT coach! If you think you can do a good job as an NT coach, I will definitely vote for you next season!

No need to talk so much! Want to talk, go back to Italy and talk! Next season, apply for NT post and show me what a good NT coach you can be! Maybe i can learn a thing or two!
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you are saying what i will do next season, as a challenge. this means "to attack" me.

and remember that a good NT coach isn't the one who reaches positive results, is the one who makes the community happy and put his interest after the NT.

ps: i talk in italy too and luckly we have a great person as a coach, even if italy this season haven't won the world cup like the latest one

Hi guys,
today i contacted Revan for a suggestion cause I wanted to know his opininon about these last events..and we both agreed that is better if I`ll not express my opinion and say who is right or who is wrong.. (pay attention klvn) not cause i`m foreign but cause i`m the Ct of the main Nt and isn`t correct for me to judge your actions (both if are good or bad).
So please don`t tell to NIC that he hasn`t the right to judge you and write in this topic..even if he is italian i think that now he is part of this community..and i feel the same..even if i`m Italian i feel part of the community of Singapore (in sokker of course).
I wanted all of you only to know this..that i follow you every day and that if i don`t express my opinion about these last events is only cause i don`t think that is correct!
Good night to all!! :)

klvn, all you do is attack people who are discussing facts. As jsq has said, you keep deleting anything that was part of a previous discussion and then just spout a lot of bullshit, kind of like sarah palin actually.

I have, and tend to, keep quiet normally, but trying to insult people who normally don't post that much is just ridiculous. Just because you post a lot doesn't make this your forum.

The facts here are simple and easy to see. You did use your NT position to influence the selling price of one of your players. It doesn't matter whether you did it once or a hundred times, it's a fact that doing that is wrong.

You may say that you have a habit of deleting messages, but that is an incredibly convenient excuse since you deleted those messages after reading about this problem on the forum.

As NIC has said, it's better for you to step down after this term and not be involved in any NT anymore. You can bluster as much as you like, but the fact is that you did something wrong, and it is a disgrace that Singapore has a dishonest NT coach.

sry to interrupt.. as requested, i will not post in the "Finalised U21 NT" thread

Only the you and the other one, the two most inactive guys here in the forum, suddenly become so active in this topic and condemn me! The two most ignorant guys around here who doesn't know what is happening in the SG community suddenly take an interest around here!

i would like to say that not posting in forum doesn't necessary means not reading the forum postings or not knowing what is happening in SG community!

for me personally, i don't post much but i read all postings, not a single one is unread..

Klvn was elected from Singapore comunity, so it's right that he speaks with this users about your actions and decisions....
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thanks

i wanna underline that many users from singapore think i am right and some of them send me some private messages. maybe "this foreign user" isn't so crazy as someone here thinks.

good luck guys!

lol, nice topic :)) laughed my ass of :))

Klvn, aren't you bored using only one word "jerk"? Or you don't know any other word?:P

So, let's end this once and for all.
Topic starter asked me to post all the sk-mails. Unfortunately, I have only the sk-mails klvn sent to me, but I'll also try to say what I told him (he can approve it, I won't lie)

I asked him about price, talent and NT chances.
Answer:

Message from: [diablo]klvn
Date of posting: 2009-06-16 19:08:07
Subject: Re: Felix Ee [13539984]
His talent is 5.2 with magical coach...

He has a definite chance of U21 even though his talent is just normal. Once his tech is at least good, I'll put him straight into the U21 first team as we do not have many good defenders.

I dun really know his price... Someone said he's worth 3M euros on valuations forum...
Link

But I think 1.6M euros would be a reasonable price since he's a confirmed candidate for U21, don't you think?

As you can see, I have 10 young def trainees. 2 of them are already in NT. So, I want to buy NT players especially! +33% in training, my proud, I can watch him playing on Friday, I like to see my players in NT.

I don't remember what I said to him afetr this... YES, I reckon, I told him not to play in NT and to transfer-list him in the morning. But this for 1.5M euros, which is a good price for klvn. If I pay, I put conditions, it's my money and I have the right to put my conditions! If he accepts or not, is his decision.

next sk-mail:
Message from: [diablo]klvn
Date of posting: 2009-06-16 19:20:20
Subject: Re: Felix Ee [13539984]
LolZ! Yeah, luckily his skills are nicely distributed. He came out as outstanding. :)

He can play constantly in U21 now! Except that his stamina and tech is too low, so he can't play as CD or last more than 45 min!

So if you train him in def and pace, I'll put him as a FB, but only play him for 45 mins.

Btw, if noone buys him, I am training him in tech and passing... as it is my training schedule this season.

I remember I asked him what FB means.
Next sk-mail:
Message from: [diablo]klvn
Date of posting: 2009-06-16 19:27:59
Subject: Re: Felix Ee [13539984]
FB = Full back.

1.5M starting bid, he's urs. It's not my valuation, it's from the forum. :)

I still don't remember exactly my replies, but I can deduce them from his answers.
Next sk-mail:

Message from: [diablo]klvn
Date of posting: 2009-06-16 20:13:35
Subject: Re: Felix Ee [13539984]
sure, as I said he'll play in the NT... but only for 45 min as his stamina is too low..

Give me a time range (game time) you want me to put him, I'll put him saturday morning if you like.

I will put him up for $1 and you bid 1.5M, okay?

I may asked him not to play him in NT that week... I didn't want anyone to overbid me, over my 1.5M euros bid. This is NORMALLY in a negociation, I put my conditions, and this was one of my conditions...

next sk-mail:

Message from: [diablo]klvn
Date of posting: 2009-06-16 20:31:23
Subject: Re: Felix Ee [13539984]
Oh.. but I'm playing him this friday!
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After this, don't know, I think I asked him if he can find other player, or something like this.
next sk-mail:

Message from: [diablo]klvn
Date of posting: 2009-06-16 20:39:30
Subject: Re: Felix Ee [13539984]
Bcos i need to play 5 defenders against Brazil... and SG U21 doesn't have many good defenders. He came out from YC to be the 4th best def in pace + def, actually! If not for his stamina, he would play every game... :)
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and this is the end of the negociations.
Clear points:
- I pay, I put my conditions.
- I was looking after other defs too, sent a couple of sk-mail regarding talent and price...
- After some thinking and some other users advice, I decided not to buy Felix anymore. I didn;t give up because klvn played him in NT or something like this... I gave up because I simply decided for other player... It's my right, I can decide for any player I want, it's my team...
- So, the deal is off, no more conditions, no more 1.5M bid...

Meanwhile, I was also searching the market for players.
And I accidentally see him on TL...
and I bid for him... it's a free market, I can bid whenever and wherever I want...it's my money, it's a free market...
So, I managed to buy him for a good price for me, around 750k euros.
Then I sent klvn a sk-mail, trying to joke with him, something like 'haha, I think I robbed you, it's a good price for me, something like this'

Next sk-mail:
Message from: [diablo]klvn
Date of posting: 2009-06-20 19:40:13
Subject: Re: Hi
Yep. U robbed me! :(
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After this, at his first training, he poped in defence, passing and striker!
I sent a sk-mail to klvn, announcing him about the pops, and I asked if the player will play that Friday.
Next sk-mail:

Message from: [diablo]klvn
Date of posting: 2009-06-25 07:29:30
Subject: Re: Hi
yes
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Notice that the player was in NT when I bought him, was in NT next week, till the training session, he was NT member.

But that thursday, in the evening, I noticed he was not in NT anymore!
I sent him a sk-mail, asking for explanations 'hey, what happened, why isn;t he in NT anymore?'
next sk-mail:

Message from: [diablo]klvn
Date of posting: 2009-06-25 19:44:07
Subject: Re: Hi
Bcos he's not good enough!
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so, NOW he is not good enough...
I started to be pissed off, and sent him something like 'you lied to me? you said you'll play him again! why are you doing this' something like this.
next sk-mail:

Message from: [diablo]klvn
Date of posting: 2009-06-26 14:18:51
Subject: Re: Hi
I didn't lie. Yes I said he'll play again, but you didn't pay 1.5M for him. So he's not worth for me to put him in the U21 NT anymore as I have better and more talented players.

Furthermore I'm not gonna bump up his price for you by playing him in the NT as you didn't pay NT prices for him. Since you pay non NT price for him, he' be a non NT player.
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so, you can see, I didn;t pay NT price for him, he doesn;t play...simple as that... I didn't buy NT place also...indeed, it's my fault I was smart and I managed to do a bargain.

I was really pissed off, don't know what I told to him, but, YES, I reckon, I told him 2 options, 1. put him in NT now, because he worths it, and we live happy ever after. or 2. don't put him, and we'll be enemies, I'll make your NT life a hell.
next sk-mail:

Message from: [diablo]klvn
Date of posting: 2009-06-26 20:11:35
Subject: Re: Hi
2. not put him in NT, and I'll make sure you'll have the life a hell as NT coach.

I dun take kindly to threats, kiddo.. Whether I put him in my NT or not is none of your business! So what can you do to my life as NT coach? Ban me? Haha! Go get a life!
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after this, I really don't know what I sent him... asking for explanations, I think.
Next sk-mail:

Message from: [diablo]klvn
Date of posting: 2009-06-26 20:46:20
Subject: Re: Hi
Look, the agreement was if you pay me 1,5M euros, i'll play him in the NT. The reason would be bcos since you pay me good money, i'll help you get back a bigger profit by playing him in the NT. Otherwise I will not even bother to put him in the NT, as he's not very talented. I told you so, he was 5.2 talent.

But since I didn't get 1.5M, I decided I dun need to put him in the NT anymore to help the new owner get a better price for him. It so happened that you won the bid for him. I didn't even notice it until you send me a sk mail asking me whether I'll play him or not.

I think I'm not being unfair here. Just being practical. Sorry.

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same, don't know what I replied...
next sk-mail:

Message from: [diablo]klvn
Date of posting: 2009-06-26 20:59:22
Subject: Re: Hi
To set the record straight...

The deal was you pay 1.5M euros for him, then I'll play him in the NT. But you told me you did not want him anymore. So the deal was off the moment you decided not to buy him and I am not obligated to play him in the NT anymore, am I not?

You assumed that I will still put him in the NT after you backed out of our deal. I did not ask you to bid for him.

Anyway, you got the player at a bargain and I got less than what I wanted. I am not whining about it. You should be happy.

So, be a good boy! :)

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and that's all, folks...
I take over me the words I said, I won't deny anything if it is true...
But I think it's clear... He exit him from NT one day before NT match, and you can see THE REASONS above...
I apologise to you, entire community, for all these things, but in my oppinion what klvn did is not OK. I wanted to buy him, and pay 1.5M, but if I pay, then I put conditions. And I told him my conditions, don't play him in NT so hopefully no one will overbid me and put him in the morning. For this, I pay 1.5M... BUT after this, I received other sk-mail, with other defs... And I found a better one FOR ME! It's obviously to think about me... so I told klvn the deal falls, everybody with his own way...
He transfer-listed him, and I bought him... free market, my money, the deal was off, I was not obliged to pay 1.5M... and after a couple of days, he was removed from NT, reason: NOT GOOD ENOUGH. After he was 4th best def, after he said you don't have too many good defs, after he said if his stamina will be better, he will play every match...also, saying that I didn't pay NT place...and that he won't call him to NT if he is at my club... what if I decide to train him and make him your best def EVER!?! He won't play, because his owner is anaconda...even if he would be your best def... this is what klvn said, and he can;t deny this, as I didn;t deny what I say...

This is all.
For me, it's very clear...

I sell the player today, I sell him to help you, because I KNOW he is a good player for you. I was NT coach for Misr and Crna Gora, I know how it is to have weak players (though Singapore is not that weak). So, good luck with him, good luck in the future, take care of you, love your wife, girlfriend, fiancee, husband, boyfriend, and be happy.

Good luck, I have a NT to lead :)


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I read my post again, forgot to apologise to klvn. Sorry, klvn.
maybe we both made mistakes. In my 'jerk' head, I think your mistakes were bigger and I think you were in an unfortunate situation... Though, it looked really bad, and, as you don't take too well the threats, I have also a temperamental behavior, blood,sometimes maybe stubborn (I'm aromanian, if some of you know those people) and I reacted under my temperamental behaviour :P
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good

i told before that both were to proud to admit their mistakes. one of them isn't. i'm happy :)

1) You sent a provoking mail to klvn, laughing at him, what would you think his reply would be? Of course something out of anger.

2) Klvn played that player only because he needed to play 5 defs. And i think there are definitely better players.

3) Did Klvn bumped up that player's price? I think not. Because 1) He is a good prospect 2) Klvn needed to play 5 defs.

Of course, klvn is also the one at fault here too.

1) As a nt coach, you should not deny a player because of arguments
2) Even if it is concidence, you should not have played an NT prospect in the NT game JUST before selling him.(Although there is nothing wrong with this, you are the NT coach and voters demand some transprancy)
3) Shouldnt have lost your temper against other members of the forum.

not you again...

1) You sent a provoking mail to klvn, laughing at him, what would you think his reply would be? Of course something out of anger.
At that time, we were friends... we were even calling us 'mates'... so, it was a joking sk-mail, I think he was not anger with that... I provoked him with the other sk-mail, with the 2 options... Well, i was angry too, at that time...

2) Klvn played that player only because he needed to play 5 defs. And i think there are definitely better players.
there may be better players, but he said, with his own fingers, that the player is 4th in def+pace, that he would play every match with better stamina. What should I understand?? That this player is a life-time NT member...

2) Even if it is concidence, you should not have played an NT prospect in the NT game JUST before selling him.(Although there is nothing wrong with this, you are the NT coach and voters demand some transprancy)
well, not really... it's ok that he played him, the player worths it, but it's not ok that he removed him one week after... I think it won't kill anyone if instead of having 25 NT players, you have 26... he could have been NT member, but klvn said 'WTF, NO, I'm too proud for this' :P

Lol...Im totally neutral...Why do you sound so exasperated?

2) Even if it is concidence, you should not have played an NT prospect in the NT game JUST before selling him.(Although there is nothing wrong with this, you are the NT coach and voters demand some transprancy)
well, not really... it's ok that he played him, the player worths it, but it's not ok that he removed him one week after... I think it won't kill anyone if instead of having 25 NT players, you have 26... he could have been NT member, but klvn said 'WTF, NO, I'm too proud for this' :P

That was after he felt insulted by your sokker mails.

AS i said, both players are at fault and i do not doubt anyone.

well, on sokker international you didn't seem to be so neutral...

I didn't insult him with anything before removing the player from NT! I didn't insult him after neither, I just provoked him, but did not insult.
I just sent him a sk-mail, it was a joke, I didn't even said like 'haha, I robbed you', I don't remember exactly... but I said him that it was a good price for me, a bargain, I was just joking... it's not my fault that he kept the sk-mails one week, and he deleted them afterwards...
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Klvn deletes my mails after a few hours lol...

So basically, both players are at fault, Klvn for being not transparent enough, and anaconda blowing the whole issue up. Seriously, i dont see the big whoha abt this.

I apologise for being aggressive on the international forum. You was trying to flame my country and our NT coach for the whole world to see without sorting out your emotions first. Cant blame me cant you?

btw, look at the requirements you have:

DEFENDERS

21 and under:
- defender at least Very Good
- pace at least Good
- playmaking + technique + passing at least 12

above 21:
- defender at least Formidable
- pace at least solid
- playmaking + technique + passing at least 15

He already meets the requirements for U21...and I bet in a couple of weeks, he will meet the requirements for Over 21...and he is still 18... hot prospect, obviously a mistake removing him from NT