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Dev. Diary 7: Season calendar - final voting
The game system – research
Three weeks ago, we asked you to complete a survey and share your comments on the proposals for the new competition calendar. Thank you for the extensive discussion. Many comments and new ideas were extremely helpful and some of them we included in the final proposal.
The winner of the survey is option 3 - a calendar based on increased number of teams in the league to 12 and 2 league matches a week. The calendar is completed by two further types of games - the International Cup (with group stage) and the National Cup. This option obtained over 60% of all votes and the choice of this option was supported by over 450 people. The results can be viewed at the survey link (we have just unveiled them for you). Here is the summary.
We are also pleased that only about 15% of users chose the option to leave the system unchanged – it shows us that you are open to see changes in the game.
At the same time, we know that some of you have submitted your own proposals on the Sokker Development forum as you were not satisfied with proposals 1 and 2 in the survey. We can see that these proposals have clarified into one fairly coherent alternative with 3 matches a week.
For this reason, we would like to introduce to you two final proposals for the vote.
Basic assumptions
Before you vote, here is some important information. First of all - we need to systematise the discussion because it is currently taking place at very different levels of generality - from the very general assumptions of the season, through the structure of individual types of competitions, to very detailed elements (such as promotions, relegations system, number of play-off matches, etc.).
At the moment, we are interested in the highest level of this discussion - mainly regarding the general system of matches (how many matches per week) and the number of matches in which we will participate, plus the structure of the league (how many teams in the league). These are the most important problems that we want to resolve first and then proceed to refining individual competitions or other, more detailed issues.
Therefore, when assessing two calendars, look at them primarily as a proposal for the number of matches per week and the number of teams in the leagues. We are still open to discuss the other elements (e.g. play-offs).
Other information relevant to your choice:
1. It is worth remembering the training system announced two weeks ago.
2. Elements related to the length of the season - will be adapted to the chosen solution (i.e. the length of the time of the injury, training pace, age of juniors, etc.) Try not to let these aspects of the game to suggest you anything when choosing your preferred system.
3. The graphics present "guaranteed" matches - those in which we will certainly play. Black frames additionally show where the next rounds of cups end. This makes it easier to assess the actual level of game intensity (remember that in cup competitions 50% less teams play at each subsequent stage).
4. Friendly matches can be placed in slots freed by cups, but they will lose significantly impact on training.
5. There was an interesting idea for a special "warm up" match which would be an alternative for teams not playing in the play-off, where the training effect would be similar to an official match. It will be considered but at the moment it is not the subject of the survey.
National Cup - is announced in the option presented a week ago, where all teams start playing in the National Cup and then the teams from the lower leagues have a chance to compete in the cups of individual league levels.
The International Cup - is announced in the initial proposal for further discussion - the cup combined with the group phase, which desire is to give each manager a certain number of guaranteed official matches, then the games take place on the basis of play-offs.
Cup discussions take place independently and are not subject to review in this survey.
Two system options
Option 1: (4 matches a week –> 12 teams in the league)
This is the winning line from the first vote, it remains largely unchanged. Its key assumptions are two league matches a week – they allow to increase the number of teams to 12 in each league.
Option 2: (3 matches a week –> league system unchanged)
This version is inspired by discussions on the Sokker Development forum. It is included in the 14-week calendar and maintains the league system in its current shape (one league match per week).
Summary:
From the development point of view, we consider both proposals to meet the requirements of our work on the development of Sokker. On the Developers' side, the preferred option is the first one, based on a system of two league matches per week. It seems optimal for us for several reasons:
1. Sets league matches as the primary competition guaranteeing two matches per week.
2. Cup games are additional challenges that enrich the game without creating too much training difference compared to those who drop out (10 available slots will be divided into fewer matches, but they can still be used).
3. Beginners starting the game during the season receive a team with two matches guaranteed.
4. We are shortening the season by 25%. It allows us to accelerate training slightly, while limiting the number of multi-divine players (thanks to faster aging).
5. It makes the main challenge of the game introducing young players to competitions mainly in league matches (giving you at the same time two matches weekly available), cup matches are an additional reward and expand the possibility of training rotation in several matches (we prevent one type of competition from being selected as "training").
6. Despite 4 matches a week, it does not seem too intense to us - remember the quickness of elimination from cup matches with subsequent rounds, only the best and most engaged players will play in such a number of matches.
Option two will require more work related to better matching of training bonuses so as not to give too much advantage to players who will play in cups longer than others (i.e. 3 official matches per week vs. one league), will also require adding bots to the cups (for a new player starting the game during the season to have a more interesting entertainment than just one league match per week). However, these elements are possible to address, which is why we present both options for discussion and assessment, understanding that regardless of which one will be chosen, we will have a significant change in gameplay compared to the current system.
Questionnaire
We have expanded the survey with several options that will allow us to better evaluate existing proposals.
In addition to the overall assessment of each of them and the choice between them, it is also possible to answer additional questions:
1. Preferred number of teams in the league
2. Number of matches per week
3. Playoffs (one match or rematch)
4. Inter-seasonal break or lack thereof
In addition, at the end we put a demographics questions that will allow us to better analyse the distribution of votes by country of origin, league level, experience, etc.
The game system – summary
The two proposed systems address many Sokker problems (of course not all, but this is a starting point for solving subsequent ones), give more emotions to all players, keep the important rule of assigning specific games to a selected day of the week. We hope that combined with information on training reform, changes will begin to appear more consistent and clearer.
Date of changes, method of implementation
Finally, we want to assure you – we still have a few seasons to play with the old game system. Changes require preparation and then detailed checking on the test server. We will not decide to introduce any new system until we are sure that all elements work in it, and at the same time it will give you time to think about tactics for the upcoming changes.
Increased game speed – tools
At the same time, given the greater number of matches per week, we will also develop a number of additional tools and improvements that will help you manage your teams faster and more efficiently, so that additional matches are not a problem. Works on the new interface and its improvements are underway, changes will be implemented, e.g. setting the squad for individual types of games, we will increase the reserve bench, we will allow to plan friendly matches in advance, and many more. Access to Sokker from mobile phones will certainly be significantly improved.
VOTE HERE -> Season calendar SURVEY
The game system – research
Three weeks ago, we asked you to complete a survey and share your comments on the proposals for the new competition calendar. Thank you for the extensive discussion. Many comments and new ideas were extremely helpful and some of them we included in the final proposal.
The winner of the survey is option 3 - a calendar based on increased number of teams in the league to 12 and 2 league matches a week. The calendar is completed by two further types of games - the International Cup (with group stage) and the National Cup. This option obtained over 60% of all votes and the choice of this option was supported by over 450 people. The results can be viewed at the survey link (we have just unveiled them for you). Here is the summary.
We are also pleased that only about 15% of users chose the option to leave the system unchanged – it shows us that you are open to see changes in the game.
At the same time, we know that some of you have submitted your own proposals on the Sokker Development forum as you were not satisfied with proposals 1 and 2 in the survey. We can see that these proposals have clarified into one fairly coherent alternative with 3 matches a week.
For this reason, we would like to introduce to you two final proposals for the vote.
Basic assumptions
Before you vote, here is some important information. First of all - we need to systematise the discussion because it is currently taking place at very different levels of generality - from the very general assumptions of the season, through the structure of individual types of competitions, to very detailed elements (such as promotions, relegations system, number of play-off matches, etc.).
At the moment, we are interested in the highest level of this discussion - mainly regarding the general system of matches (how many matches per week) and the number of matches in which we will participate, plus the structure of the league (how many teams in the league). These are the most important problems that we want to resolve first and then proceed to refining individual competitions or other, more detailed issues.
Therefore, when assessing two calendars, look at them primarily as a proposal for the number of matches per week and the number of teams in the leagues. We are still open to discuss the other elements (e.g. play-offs).
Other information relevant to your choice:
1. It is worth remembering the training system announced two weeks ago.
2. Elements related to the length of the season - will be adapted to the chosen solution (i.e. the length of the time of the injury, training pace, age of juniors, etc.) Try not to let these aspects of the game to suggest you anything when choosing your preferred system.
3. The graphics present "guaranteed" matches - those in which we will certainly play. Black frames additionally show where the next rounds of cups end. This makes it easier to assess the actual level of game intensity (remember that in cup competitions 50% less teams play at each subsequent stage).
4. Friendly matches can be placed in slots freed by cups, but they will lose significantly impact on training.
5. There was an interesting idea for a special "warm up" match which would be an alternative for teams not playing in the play-off, where the training effect would be similar to an official match. It will be considered but at the moment it is not the subject of the survey.
National Cup - is announced in the option presented a week ago, where all teams start playing in the National Cup and then the teams from the lower leagues have a chance to compete in the cups of individual league levels.
The International Cup - is announced in the initial proposal for further discussion - the cup combined with the group phase, which desire is to give each manager a certain number of guaranteed official matches, then the games take place on the basis of play-offs.
Cup discussions take place independently and are not subject to review in this survey.
Two system options
Option 1: (4 matches a week –> 12 teams in the league)
This is the winning line from the first vote, it remains largely unchanged. Its key assumptions are two league matches a week – they allow to increase the number of teams to 12 in each league.
Option 2: (3 matches a week –> league system unchanged)
This version is inspired by discussions on the Sokker Development forum. It is included in the 14-week calendar and maintains the league system in its current shape (one league match per week).
Summary:
From the development point of view, we consider both proposals to meet the requirements of our work on the development of Sokker. On the Developers' side, the preferred option is the first one, based on a system of two league matches per week. It seems optimal for us for several reasons:
1. Sets league matches as the primary competition guaranteeing two matches per week.
2. Cup games are additional challenges that enrich the game without creating too much training difference compared to those who drop out (10 available slots will be divided into fewer matches, but they can still be used).
3. Beginners starting the game during the season receive a team with two matches guaranteed.
4. We are shortening the season by 25%. It allows us to accelerate training slightly, while limiting the number of multi-divine players (thanks to faster aging).
5. It makes the main challenge of the game introducing young players to competitions mainly in league matches (giving you at the same time two matches weekly available), cup matches are an additional reward and expand the possibility of training rotation in several matches (we prevent one type of competition from being selected as "training").
6. Despite 4 matches a week, it does not seem too intense to us - remember the quickness of elimination from cup matches with subsequent rounds, only the best and most engaged players will play in such a number of matches.
Option two will require more work related to better matching of training bonuses so as not to give too much advantage to players who will play in cups longer than others (i.e. 3 official matches per week vs. one league), will also require adding bots to the cups (for a new player starting the game during the season to have a more interesting entertainment than just one league match per week). However, these elements are possible to address, which is why we present both options for discussion and assessment, understanding that regardless of which one will be chosen, we will have a significant change in gameplay compared to the current system.
Questionnaire
We have expanded the survey with several options that will allow us to better evaluate existing proposals.
In addition to the overall assessment of each of them and the choice between them, it is also possible to answer additional questions:
1. Preferred number of teams in the league
2. Number of matches per week
3. Playoffs (one match or rematch)
4. Inter-seasonal break or lack thereof
In addition, at the end we put a demographics questions that will allow us to better analyse the distribution of votes by country of origin, league level, experience, etc.
The game system – summary
The two proposed systems address many Sokker problems (of course not all, but this is a starting point for solving subsequent ones), give more emotions to all players, keep the important rule of assigning specific games to a selected day of the week. We hope that combined with information on training reform, changes will begin to appear more consistent and clearer.
Date of changes, method of implementation
Finally, we want to assure you – we still have a few seasons to play with the old game system. Changes require preparation and then detailed checking on the test server. We will not decide to introduce any new system until we are sure that all elements work in it, and at the same time it will give you time to think about tactics for the upcoming changes.
Increased game speed – tools
At the same time, given the greater number of matches per week, we will also develop a number of additional tools and improvements that will help you manage your teams faster and more efficiently, so that additional matches are not a problem. Works on the new interface and its improvements are underway, changes will be implemented, e.g. setting the squad for individual types of games, we will increase the reserve bench, we will allow to plan friendly matches in advance, and many more. Access to Sokker from mobile phones will certainly be significantly improved.
VOTE HERE -> Season calendar SURVEY
prevod, ukratko
Od predloga koje su ponudili pre par nedelja, najviše glasova je dobila opcija 3. Na slici see vidi koliko i kako. Bilo je predloga i na forumu pa su neke prihvatili.
Nude dva konačna predloga da glasamo, ali podvlače da se ne zalećemo u detalje (promocija/ispadanje, broj plejof mečeva itd), nego da se fokusiramo na broj mečeva nedeljno i koliko njih da bude zvanično i struktura lige - koliko timova da bude u jednoj.
Kada se to reši, onda će se baviti detaljima i sve će nam biti predočeno i ponuđeno kao opcija.
Neke stvari kojih treba da budemo svesni kad glasamo:
1. Novi trening sistem koji je predložen.
2. Elementi koji se odnose na dužinu lige će biti prilagođeni novoj sezoni - dužina povreda, trening pejsa, godine juniora itd. Ne treba ih uzimati u obzir kad se bira dinamika igre.
3. Grafika kojom je predložena dinamika su mečevi kada će se
"sigurno" igrati. Uokvireno crnim su dani kada će biti kup mečevi (nacionalni i internacionalni) i tu su da bi se naslutio intenzitet igranja (npr jaki timovi će igrati duže u kupovima itd.)
4. Prijateljske bi mogle da se igraju po ispadanju iz kupa, ali će im se smanjiti uticaj na treining.
5. Oni koji ne igraju baraž da dobiju neki meč zagrevanja. To nije predmet glasanja i biće naknadno odlučeno, ali je zanimljiva ideja.
Nacionalni kup - svi koji ispadnu će dobiti novo takmičenje u skladu sa svojim rangom/ligom u kojoj igraju
Internacionalni kup - prvo grupna faza što je garantovano 6 mečeva. Ne piše ovde ali od pre je ideja da svako igra neki internacionalni, u zavisnosti od snage i plasmana.
Struktura kupova će biti posebno glasanje.
Dve opcije
1: 12 nedelja, dve ligaške, 4 utakmice nedeljno
ova opcija je imala najviše glasova, sezona bi se skratila na 12 nedelja, ali bi svako imao dva meča i siguran trening, da se tako izrazim.
ima slika
2: 14 nedelja, 3 utakmice nedeljno
sistem koji sada funkcioniše uz dodatak međunarodnog kupa, jedna ligaška nedeljno
Suma: oni favorizuju prvu opciju, ima dosta objašnjenja zašto, uglavnom dve ligaške nedeljno tj. dve sigurne svakome naročito novajlijama da im bude zanimljivo. Onaj ko ispadne iz kupa gubi mnogo od treninga itd.
Naravno, prilagodili bi brzinu treninga, povrede i sve jer je sezona kraća 25% itd. Izazovno je koristiti mlade igrače u zvaničnim utakmicama, a 4 utakmice nedlejno nije preinteznivno jer većina brzo ispada iz kupa (posle 2-3 nedelje)
Druga opcija zahteva mnogo cimanja oko bonusa za trening da ne bi dali previše prednosti jakim timovima koji igraju duže kup, ali će sve uzeti u obzir.
Prošiliri su glasanje dodatnim pitanjima (videćete ih)
Sve će biti testirano pre nego što se predloži. Razviće dodatne alatke i slično, bolju grafiku i imamo još nekoliko sezona da igramo u ovom sistemu.
Obavezno glasajte, važno je, tamo je i link.
ima slika
Od predloga koje su ponudili pre par nedelja, najviše glasova je dobila opcija 3. Na slici see vidi koliko i kako. Bilo je predloga i na forumu pa su neke prihvatili.
Nude dva konačna predloga da glasamo, ali podvlače da se ne zalećemo u detalje (promocija/ispadanje, broj plejof mečeva itd), nego da se fokusiramo na broj mečeva nedeljno i koliko njih da bude zvanično i struktura lige - koliko timova da bude u jednoj.
Kada se to reši, onda će se baviti detaljima i sve će nam biti predočeno i ponuđeno kao opcija.
Neke stvari kojih treba da budemo svesni kad glasamo:
1. Novi trening sistem koji je predložen.
2. Elementi koji se odnose na dužinu lige će biti prilagođeni novoj sezoni - dužina povreda, trening pejsa, godine juniora itd. Ne treba ih uzimati u obzir kad se bira dinamika igre.
3. Grafika kojom je predložena dinamika su mečevi kada će se
"sigurno" igrati. Uokvireno crnim su dani kada će biti kup mečevi (nacionalni i internacionalni) i tu su da bi se naslutio intenzitet igranja (npr jaki timovi će igrati duže u kupovima itd.)
4. Prijateljske bi mogle da se igraju po ispadanju iz kupa, ali će im se smanjiti uticaj na treining.
5. Oni koji ne igraju baraž da dobiju neki meč zagrevanja. To nije predmet glasanja i biće naknadno odlučeno, ali je zanimljiva ideja.
Nacionalni kup - svi koji ispadnu će dobiti novo takmičenje u skladu sa svojim rangom/ligom u kojoj igraju
Internacionalni kup - prvo grupna faza što je garantovano 6 mečeva. Ne piše ovde ali od pre je ideja da svako igra neki internacionalni, u zavisnosti od snage i plasmana.
Struktura kupova će biti posebno glasanje.
Dve opcije
1: 12 nedelja, dve ligaške, 4 utakmice nedeljno
ova opcija je imala najviše glasova, sezona bi se skratila na 12 nedelja, ali bi svako imao dva meča i siguran trening, da se tako izrazim.
ima slika
2: 14 nedelja, 3 utakmice nedeljno
sistem koji sada funkcioniše uz dodatak međunarodnog kupa, jedna ligaška nedeljno
Suma: oni favorizuju prvu opciju, ima dosta objašnjenja zašto, uglavnom dve ligaške nedeljno tj. dve sigurne svakome naročito novajlijama da im bude zanimljivo. Onaj ko ispadne iz kupa gubi mnogo od treninga itd.
Naravno, prilagodili bi brzinu treninga, povrede i sve jer je sezona kraća 25% itd. Izazovno je koristiti mlade igrače u zvaničnim utakmicama, a 4 utakmice nedlejno nije preinteznivno jer većina brzo ispada iz kupa (posle 2-3 nedelje)
Druga opcija zahteva mnogo cimanja oko bonusa za trening da ne bi dali previše prednosti jakim timovima koji igraju duže kup, ali će sve uzeti u obzir.
Prošiliri su glasanje dodatnim pitanjima (videćete ih)
Sve će biti testirano pre nego što se predloži. Razviće dodatne alatke i slično, bolju grafiku i imamo još nekoliko sezona da igramo u ovom sistemu.
Obavezno glasajte, važno je, tamo je i link.
ima slika
Važno: prva opcija bi bila 12 timova u ligi. Nisam to naglasio.
Meni se čini da igranje dve ligaške utakmice nedeljno nema baš nekog smisla.
Ko hoće rezultat, mora da ima jake trejnije. Ko hoće da trenira klince, moraće da igra u slabijoj ligi.
Ako neko hoće da ima 10 jakih trejnija na istoj poziciji i hoće da se takmiči dva puta nedeljno u ligi, moraće mnogo da ih plati i brže da ih menja jer će brže da stare.
Kup utakmice jesu oficijalne i pomoći će za trening, ali kao i sada ko igra sa klincima brzo će da ispadne, pa mu ostaje samo prijateljska koja više ne doprinosi treningu.
Dakle, ko hoće da se takmiči, napraviće A tim od 10 trejnija u kombinaciji koja mu odgovara i tako će da igra ligu i kup dokle može.
Stoga, druga ligaška utakmica u istoj nedelji nema mnogo smisla jer će gotovo svi izvoditi isti tim.
Ko hoće rezultat, mora da ima jake trejnije. Ko hoće da trenira klince, moraće da igra u slabijoj ligi.
Ako neko hoće da ima 10 jakih trejnija na istoj poziciji i hoće da se takmiči dva puta nedeljno u ligi, moraće mnogo da ih plati i brže da ih menja jer će brže da stare.
Kup utakmice jesu oficijalne i pomoći će za trening, ali kao i sada ko igra sa klincima brzo će da ispadne, pa mu ostaje samo prijateljska koja više ne doprinosi treningu.
Dakle, ko hoće da se takmiči, napraviće A tim od 10 trejnija u kombinaciji koja mu odgovara i tako će da igra ligu i kup dokle može.
Stoga, druga ligaška utakmica u istoj nedelji nema mnogo smisla jer će gotovo svi izvoditi isti tim.
Gluposti. Nisam za kracu sezonu i dve ligaske, a opet nisam ni za uskracivanje treninga na osnovu rezultata. Bojao sam se proena, ispade s razlogom.
ma najgore je sto tamo na DEV forumu dodju fine ideje i onda se pocne komplikovati.
pasha to
majti_orion
Ja sam tako i koncipirao tim cim sam video promene, i svih 10 trejnija su mi 20-22y.
Imam promenim 2 defa jos, da kupim gošu i strajkera.
Imam promenim 2 defa jos, da kupim gošu i strajkera.
Pa skoro da sam i ja tako doduse nevezano za promene.
najbolje je da mi isprodajemo te klince za masnu lovu, stekamo i kintu i cekamo da vidimo kakoce to da ide :D
najbolje je da mi isprodajemo te klince za masnu lovu, stekamo i kintu i cekamo da vidimo kakoce to da ide :D
Napravio sam glasanje da nam vrate stari sistem juniora.
https://sokker.org/forum_topic/ID_forum/63355/ID_topic/3447055/pg/0#new
Verujem da bismo svi voleli da ne spavamo u sredu pre izvlačenja i maštamo o mogućim skilovima, kao što je nekad bilo.
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https://sokker.org/forum_topic/ID_forum/63355/ID_topic/3447055/pg/0#new
Verujem da bismo svi voleli da ne spavamo u sredu pre izvlačenja i maštamo o mogućim skilovima, kao što je nekad bilo.
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слажем се, само је можда оке и знати године на стари систем.. само кажем
stvarno zelite da ne znate godine juniora?
kakve to ima dodirne tacke sa realnoscu? treniras klinca sezonu 2 i tek kad potpisujes profesionalni ugovor sa njim on ti donese rodni list.
takodje igrao on utakmicu ili ceo zivot proveo na klupi, ti znas tacno koliko je covek talentovan.
:)
kakve to ima dodirne tacke sa realnoscu? treniras klinca sezonu 2 i tek kad potpisujes profesionalni ugovor sa njim on ti donese rodni list.
takodje igrao on utakmicu ili ceo zivot proveo na klupi, ti znas tacno koliko je covek talentovan.
:)
Nema šanse da će da vrate stari sistem, ali mogu da vide brojeve i poprave ovu glupost koja je sada na snazi. Zamisli da znaš i talenat i godine i da igra utakmice mnogo bolje od ovih..
Izašla je nova vest, liga od 12 timova, dve ligaške utakmice nedeljno, bez internacionalnog kupa jer nećemo 4 utakmice nedeljno. Biće međusezona.