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Subject: juniors
click on the 'office' icon - 2nd from the bottom on the righthand menu.
Juniors is then a link at the top of the page
Juniors is then a link at the top of the page
juniors come in every week on a saturday. IF you have spaces open, the number join can be up to 6.
They will come in at a random level, and also at a random number of weeks.
The number of weeks decreases each week they are in the squad, until this goes to 1 and the next week you recruit them
They will come in at a random level, and also at a random number of weeks.
The number of weeks decreases each week they are in the squad, until this goes to 1 and the next week you recruit them
You need to think carefully about the best use of your funds - I've been playing for 1 season myself, so I'm speaking from recent experience!
I had 6 places in my junior school open for most of my first season, yet often only 1 or 2 players would join each Saturday - yet you still pay the fee for having 6 places, £3,600.
This may not seem like a lot of money, but your first season is all about surviving on what amounts to 'bugger all' financially.
Also, if you have a junior school you need a semi-decent coach (I would say excellent or better, but others are far more qualified to advise). However, this also costs money, that you don't have a lot of.
On top of this, players aren't worth keeping in your juniors unless when they promote to the seniors they have a reasonable skill level.
I had a couple of juniors come out as 'adeqaute' and 'good' respectively - one didn't sell and I got £3 for the other one, and I mean 3 quid! They each cost me £3000 in training fees, so weren't really a wise investment.
I'm not trying put you off here, just trying to help you avoid making the same costly mistakes that I have.
Best bet is to get some advice of someone in the know - but that doesn't include Ken! :)
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I had 6 places in my junior school open for most of my first season, yet often only 1 or 2 players would join each Saturday - yet you still pay the fee for having 6 places, £3,600.
This may not seem like a lot of money, but your first season is all about surviving on what amounts to 'bugger all' financially.
Also, if you have a junior school you need a semi-decent coach (I would say excellent or better, but others are far more qualified to advise). However, this also costs money, that you don't have a lot of.
On top of this, players aren't worth keeping in your juniors unless when they promote to the seniors they have a reasonable skill level.
I had a couple of juniors come out as 'adeqaute' and 'good' respectively - one didn't sell and I got £3 for the other one, and I mean 3 quid! They each cost me £3000 in training fees, so weren't really a wise investment.
I'm not trying put you off here, just trying to help you avoid making the same costly mistakes that I have.
Best bet is to get some advice of someone in the know - but that doesn't include Ken! :)
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Nope, all of that is superb advice, and again talking from having to experience all of that!
I have only this season begun to have the full 6 spaces open...in my first 3 seasons in IV i had a maximum of 4 and often 2 or 3 spaces open. Rarely do 6 juniors join, and when they do they're not all worth keeping!
I started with a very good junior coach (5 week pops meaning talent). Solid is OK, but i certainly would not go above having an excellent youth coach, especially in your first season.
However, even with all these problems that steelers has listed, i have benefited extremely well from opening the junior school right at the beginning...in 3.5 seasons i have sold one for nearly £1.7m, and have several in my squad that will be trained up to be great players ;o)
In summary - i would advise on a youth school ASAP, but be very wary of your finances!
I have only this season begun to have the full 6 spaces open...in my first 3 seasons in IV i had a maximum of 4 and often 2 or 3 spaces open. Rarely do 6 juniors join, and when they do they're not all worth keeping!
I started with a very good junior coach (5 week pops meaning talent). Solid is OK, but i certainly would not go above having an excellent youth coach, especially in your first season.
However, even with all these problems that steelers has listed, i have benefited extremely well from opening the junior school right at the beginning...in 3.5 seasons i have sold one for nearly £1.7m, and have several in my squad that will be trained up to be great players ;o)
In summary - i would advise on a youth school ASAP, but be very wary of your finances!
it is definately worth just for the fact that in can save you on transfer fees for juniours to train. Many of my recent squad have been yth pulls and therefore made me alot of money. (somewhere near 10mil+)
Luck appears to play a big part in Juniors.
I agree with all the above as very sound advice, but don't gamble with thoughts that your Juniors will make you millions if you invest in them within the first 2 seasons.
Some players are very lucky - most are not.
I agree with all the above as very sound advice, but don't gamble with thoughts that your Juniors will make you millions if you invest in them within the first 2 seasons.
Some players are very lucky - most are not.
Yup luck does play a part. Third season in with 6-8 places in junior squad have had 2 excellents and only 1, 4.5 week talent. (with a formidable coach). I have had no 16 year old squad members either. I've got to say though both the excellents have slotted into my squad as top players.
with 6-8 places in junior squad
you aren't helping your chances with having such a small school. if you are in your 3rd season I would expect you to have 6 OPEN spaces every week, and would then probably have at least 10 6wk pops or better in the school. make the investment it will be worth it
you aren't helping your chances with having such a small school. if you are in your 3rd season I would expect you to have 6 OPEN spaces every week, and would then probably have at least 10 6wk pops or better in the school. make the investment it will be worth it
I've been considering upping the numbers, but I've made costly forays into getting better coaches. Will up my numbers though and see how it pans out.
I have done the maths and I have come to the conclusion that a youth school is not worth it!
To pay for a decent youth coach you have to pay at least £8,000 per week in my opinion, and then thers the weekly fees of just a single place in the youth school which is a couple of hundred or something, I cant remember exactly but it builds up!
I just think its cheaper to buy reasonably talented 16 year olds from the transfer market who go for very good value and allow my outstanding first team coaches nurture them!
However I love the idea of a junior school, and when my team are earning loads of money, I'll definately get one... but I still can't see the benefits of spending so much money per week when u can spend that weekly money on a young player from the transfer market if and when you need it...
what u guys think?
To pay for a decent youth coach you have to pay at least £8,000 per week in my opinion, and then thers the weekly fees of just a single place in the youth school which is a couple of hundred or something, I cant remember exactly but it builds up!
I just think its cheaper to buy reasonably talented 16 year olds from the transfer market who go for very good value and allow my outstanding first team coaches nurture them!
However I love the idea of a junior school, and when my team are earning loads of money, I'll definately get one... but I still can't see the benefits of spending so much money per week when u can spend that weekly money on a young player from the transfer market if and when you need it...
what u guys think?
I've already stated what i think...even if i take take out my incredibly lucky pull, i have several players in my squad that no IV team would be able to afford to buy...plus i know their talented!
No way do you have to spend atleast £8k per week on a coach...my formidable one has a wage of just £6k, and he's fine for a IV side, and will generate some decent youths.
I find a lot of very good+ youths will be better than nearly anything you can afford to buy in the market in IV...and again, you know their talent, instead of having to gamble on it.
Do you know how much 'reasonably talented' 16yo's sell for?!
No way do you have to spend atleast £8k per week on a coach...my formidable one has a wage of just £6k, and he's fine for a IV side, and will generate some decent youths.
I find a lot of very good+ youths will be better than nearly anything you can afford to buy in the market in IV...and again, you know their talent, instead of having to gamble on it.
Do you know how much 'reasonably talented' 16yo's sell for?!
I dont know if its just my luck then, but even when I did have my 'outstanding' 8k p/w youth coach, i NEVER had a pull of anyone over Solid... and that was just once! the rest were average and adequate!
What happend with me is tht every week, i increased my capacity to extra youth players, and I simply lost track of who popped and when they popped!
Maybe my judgement of talent isn't any good! I never know who to keep and who to get rid of!
Do I give them 2 or 3 weeks to pop for the first time? Might it take 5 weeks for the first pop, then they pop every other week?
You seem to know your stuff... do u think you can help me to understand the most efficient way of judging talent?
What happend with me is tht every week, i increased my capacity to extra youth players, and I simply lost track of who popped and when they popped!
Maybe my judgement of talent isn't any good! I never know who to keep and who to get rid of!
Do I give them 2 or 3 weeks to pop for the first time? Might it take 5 weeks for the first pop, then they pop every other week?
You seem to know your stuff... do u think you can help me to understand the most efficient way of judging talent?
I think it's quite likely that perhaps you weren't following the talent closely, or not having enough places open per week if your best pull was a solid! Either that or you were extremely unlucky!
With an outstanding coach i would be looking at binning anything that pops above 6 weeks; this must be judged by 2 pops, not the first pop.
Treat the first pop in the same way if they are untalented...what i mean by this is if a player has not popped at all after 6 weeks in your junior school you need to sack him, but he may pop in 1 week...it's the pop after this that you need to measure and this will be a good estimate of his talent.
With the same coach throughout, i don't think a player can pop like this: 4, 6, 4, 6...the worst talent a player can have if his first 2 pops were 4 weeks apart would be something like this: 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5 which is 4.83. It is more likely that they will either be intermittent 4's and 5's or a couple of one and a few of the other...unless you are talking about players that pop in 3 weeks...as the chances that he will pop again in 3 weeks is quite slim.
Just remember that you can only 'really' start judging their talent after their first couple of pops.
Does this make sense?
With an outstanding coach i would be looking at binning anything that pops above 6 weeks; this must be judged by 2 pops, not the first pop.
Treat the first pop in the same way if they are untalented...what i mean by this is if a player has not popped at all after 6 weeks in your junior school you need to sack him, but he may pop in 1 week...it's the pop after this that you need to measure and this will be a good estimate of his talent.
With the same coach throughout, i don't think a player can pop like this: 4, 6, 4, 6...the worst talent a player can have if his first 2 pops were 4 weeks apart would be something like this: 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5 which is 4.83. It is more likely that they will either be intermittent 4's and 5's or a couple of one and a few of the other...unless you are talking about players that pop in 3 weeks...as the chances that he will pop again in 3 weeks is quite slim.
Just remember that you can only 'really' start judging their talent after their first couple of pops.
Does this make sense?