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Postul de baza a lui Vertonghen e fundas central, chiar daca poate juca si alte posturi (mijlocas in fata apararii ori fundas/mijlocas stanga).
Chiriches n-a fost adus ca sa fie reprofilat ori alti jucatori sa fie reprofilati de dragul sau si el sa prinda primul 11.
Ideea mea era ca nu multi il vad titular, va avea de tras tare ca sa se impuna si sa se faca cunoscut, depinde mult de cum va reusi la debut, din pacate ii lipseste inca forta si asta ma face sa fiu circumspect.
Chiriches n-a fost adus ca sa fie reprofilat ori alti jucatori sa fie reprofilati de dragul sau si el sa prinda primul 11.
Ideea mea era ca nu multi il vad titular, va avea de tras tare ca sa se impuna si sa se faca cunoscut, depinde mult de cum va reusi la debut, din pacate ii lipseste inca forta si asta ma face sa fiu circumspect.
In Anglia se joaca nspe mii de meciuri. O sa i se dea sanse, totul depinde doar de el.
belgianul e fundas lateral. uita-te la istoricul lui dar si la nationala
Sanse va avea, asta-i clar, insa eu imi puneam intrebarea daca se va putea impune ca titular, intrebare la care sunt putin circumspect, acum ca am analizat mai bine lotul lui Tottenham.
Eu asta citesc in Wikipedia:
"Jan Vertonghen (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈjɑn vərˈtɔŋə(n)]; born 24 April 1987) is a Belgian footballer who plays as a defender for English club Tottenham Hotspur and the Belgian national team. A left-footed player who usually plays as a centre back, he is equally adept at playing anywhere on the left side or in defensive midfield and frequently joins in the attack from his centre back position."
La nationala juca lateral pana sa-l scoata din echipa pe Van Buyten, iar de cand privesc meciurile din Premier League (si le privesc in fiecare Sambata-Duminica, cu mici exceptii), nu prea imi aduc aminte sa-l fi vazut lateral in echipa sa de club, poate au existat exceptii si eu n-am sesizat, dar e clar ca postul sau de baza a fost fundas central.
"Jan Vertonghen (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈjɑn vərˈtɔŋə(n)]; born 24 April 1987) is a Belgian footballer who plays as a defender for English club Tottenham Hotspur and the Belgian national team. A left-footed player who usually plays as a centre back, he is equally adept at playing anywhere on the left side or in defensive midfield and frequently joins in the attack from his centre back position."
La nationala juca lateral pana sa-l scoata din echipa pe Van Buyten, iar de cand privesc meciurile din Premier League (si le privesc in fiecare Sambata-Duminica, cu mici exceptii), nu prea imi aduc aminte sa-l fi vazut lateral in echipa sa de club, poate au existat exceptii si eu n-am sesizat, dar e clar ca postul sau de baza a fost fundas central.
nu e deloc clar. sper sa-ti dovedeasca istoria lucrul asta
belgianul e fundas lateral. uita-te la istoricul lui dar si la nationala
Te incapatanezi sa sustii ceva gresit in loc sa te verifici. Nu fa doar trimitere la istoric, ci da date concrete, daca le ai.
Vertonghen nu e fundas lateral, precum declari tu, ci e fundas central si e de picior stang, lucru pentru care a fost folosit si fundas lateral stanga, atunci cand necesitatile echipei o cereau sau cand nu a putut sa-si faca loc intre cei 2 fundasi centrali.
Dar Vertonghen nu e fundas lateral stanga.
http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/125086/jan-vertonghen?cc=5739 zice:
"An accomplished left-footed centre-back who can also play in defensive midfield or at left-back, Vertonghen is a highly adaptable and multi-talented player who joined Tottenham in the summer of 2012."
Deci aceeasi definitie ca si in Wikipedia. De ce e Vertonghen definit ca fundas central, daca el e fundas stanga ?
Iata o alta definitie similara data de catre Transfermark: Position = Defender, Centre-Back http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/jan-vertonghen/profil/spieler_43250.html
Iata o alta analiza a jucatorului, aratand de ce a ajuns Vertonghen sa joace si fundas stanga, sursa http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/9765211/Tottenham-need-me-at-centre-back-not-left-back-Jan-Vertonghen-tells-Andre-Villas-Boas.html
"The left-footed Vertonghen was signed from Ajax in July for £9.6 million, primarily to play in the centre of defence. However, a long-term injury to Benoît Assou-Ekotto has forced Villas-Boas to play Vertonghen at left-back, where he sometimes plays for Belgium.
Although he has impressed on the left, and sporadically in a holding-midfield role, Vertonghen admitted that he was getting frustrated at the lack of opportunities in his favoured position. “Yes, and the manager knows,” he said. “He knows I prefer centre-back, but that is enough for me. He respects me but tells me whenever I need to play left-back. I want to help the team.”
Vertonghen made his name at Ajax as a cultured centre-back who is comfortable bringing the ball out of defence. With the emergence of Steven Caulker in a similar role, however, he has often been pushed wide. Kyle Naughton, a naturally right-footed player, has also been tried at left-back but his performances so far this season have been mixed.
“I love to attack and I love to go up front,” Vertonghen said. “It is a little more difficult than when you are playing centre-back. If you play the way that I want to play, I think my influence is better as a left-back.
“For the team, it is best that I play as a centre-back. I like to bring the ball out. You need to move the game quickly, and that is one of my qualities as well.” "
Alta sursa, unde este analizat ca Centre-Back of the Year in Premier League, http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/vertonghen-stats-zone-premier-league-centre-back-of-the-year.97895/:
"Stats Zone Premier League Centre-Back of the Year:
Jan Vertonghen (Tottenham Hotspur)
Tottenham have a history of centre-backs who can play a bit, so when they signed a ball-playing Belgian who had graduated from the Ajax academy, hopes were high – and Jan Vertonghen has lived up to the expectations.
Although he spent part of the season on the left of Tottenham's back four, Vertonghen’s self-proclaimed strongest position is centre-back, and that's surely where his future lies. His best spell of form coincided with his club's, which perhaps underlines his impact in the middle of the Spurs defence."
Iata explicatia in Wikipedia pentru faptul ca a ajuns sa joace si fundas stanga:
"In the 2010 World Cup qualifying, he began to establish himself as a regular, initially at centre back as former Ajax teammate Thomas Vermaelen's partner. He scored the opening goal, also his first ever international goal,[22] in an August 2009 friendly against the Czech Republic that ended in a 3–1 loss. On 7 September 2009 in a World Cup qualifying away match against Spain, he injured his toe and had to be stretchered off and substituted in the 29th minute. The match ended bad as well; a 5–0 loss.[23] Now he usually plays as leftback as Vermaelen and Vincent Kompany are the preferred pairing in central defence.[24] He was back in the starting eleven for the friendly against Hungary, a 3–0 win[25] and the 1–0 loss to Croatia the following March."
In consecinta:
Vertonghen a jucat fundas stanga pentru o perioada doar incepand cu Tottenham (in Ajax si celelalte echipe a functionat numai fundas central), datorita faptului ca fundasul stanga s-a accidentat, iar antrenorul avea nevoie sa acopere postul...in rest a jucat si este fundas central.
In nationala a jucat fundas stanga pentru ca Kompany i-a luat locul, atunci cand el a fost accidentat (Kompany avand atunci un sezon de exceptie la City, devenind capitan de echipa). De asemenea, mai joaca fundas lateral cand i se face loc lui Van Buyten. Deci, joaca acolo pentru ca a fost scos de altii (preferati de selectioner), nu pentru ca e fundas stanga (altfel, asa ar fi declarat peste tot, nu fundas central, precum ti-am postat din sursele de mai sus).
Daca nici acum nu-ti e clar...
Ca tu crezi ca el va fi facut fundas stanga, asta-i alta poveste (insa va trebui sa te certi cu spurscommunity, care declara: "Vertonghen’s self-proclaimed strongest position is centre-back, and that's surely where his future lies."), Vertonghen insa, cel putin momentan, e fundas central, chiar daca din anumite motive de necesitate mai joaca si fundas stanga (mai ales la nationala).
Te incapatanezi sa sustii ceva gresit in loc sa te verifici. Nu fa doar trimitere la istoric, ci da date concrete, daca le ai.
Vertonghen nu e fundas lateral, precum declari tu, ci e fundas central si e de picior stang, lucru pentru care a fost folosit si fundas lateral stanga, atunci cand necesitatile echipei o cereau sau cand nu a putut sa-si faca loc intre cei 2 fundasi centrali.
Dar Vertonghen nu e fundas lateral stanga.
http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/125086/jan-vertonghen?cc=5739 zice:
"An accomplished left-footed centre-back who can also play in defensive midfield or at left-back, Vertonghen is a highly adaptable and multi-talented player who joined Tottenham in the summer of 2012."
Deci aceeasi definitie ca si in Wikipedia. De ce e Vertonghen definit ca fundas central, daca el e fundas stanga ?
Iata o alta definitie similara data de catre Transfermark: Position = Defender, Centre-Back http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/jan-vertonghen/profil/spieler_43250.html
Iata o alta analiza a jucatorului, aratand de ce a ajuns Vertonghen sa joace si fundas stanga, sursa http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/9765211/Tottenham-need-me-at-centre-back-not-left-back-Jan-Vertonghen-tells-Andre-Villas-Boas.html
"The left-footed Vertonghen was signed from Ajax in July for £9.6 million, primarily to play in the centre of defence. However, a long-term injury to Benoît Assou-Ekotto has forced Villas-Boas to play Vertonghen at left-back, where he sometimes plays for Belgium.
Although he has impressed on the left, and sporadically in a holding-midfield role, Vertonghen admitted that he was getting frustrated at the lack of opportunities in his favoured position. “Yes, and the manager knows,” he said. “He knows I prefer centre-back, but that is enough for me. He respects me but tells me whenever I need to play left-back. I want to help the team.”
Vertonghen made his name at Ajax as a cultured centre-back who is comfortable bringing the ball out of defence. With the emergence of Steven Caulker in a similar role, however, he has often been pushed wide. Kyle Naughton, a naturally right-footed player, has also been tried at left-back but his performances so far this season have been mixed.
“I love to attack and I love to go up front,” Vertonghen said. “It is a little more difficult than when you are playing centre-back. If you play the way that I want to play, I think my influence is better as a left-back.
“For the team, it is best that I play as a centre-back. I like to bring the ball out. You need to move the game quickly, and that is one of my qualities as well.” "
Alta sursa, unde este analizat ca Centre-Back of the Year in Premier League, http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/vertonghen-stats-zone-premier-league-centre-back-of-the-year.97895/:
"Stats Zone Premier League Centre-Back of the Year:
Jan Vertonghen (Tottenham Hotspur)
Tottenham have a history of centre-backs who can play a bit, so when they signed a ball-playing Belgian who had graduated from the Ajax academy, hopes were high – and Jan Vertonghen has lived up to the expectations.
Although he spent part of the season on the left of Tottenham's back four, Vertonghen’s self-proclaimed strongest position is centre-back, and that's surely where his future lies. His best spell of form coincided with his club's, which perhaps underlines his impact in the middle of the Spurs defence."
Iata explicatia in Wikipedia pentru faptul ca a ajuns sa joace si fundas stanga:
"In the 2010 World Cup qualifying, he began to establish himself as a regular, initially at centre back as former Ajax teammate Thomas Vermaelen's partner. He scored the opening goal, also his first ever international goal,[22] in an August 2009 friendly against the Czech Republic that ended in a 3–1 loss. On 7 September 2009 in a World Cup qualifying away match against Spain, he injured his toe and had to be stretchered off and substituted in the 29th minute. The match ended bad as well; a 5–0 loss.[23] Now he usually plays as leftback as Vermaelen and Vincent Kompany are the preferred pairing in central defence.[24] He was back in the starting eleven for the friendly against Hungary, a 3–0 win[25] and the 1–0 loss to Croatia the following March."
In consecinta:
Vertonghen a jucat fundas stanga pentru o perioada doar incepand cu Tottenham (in Ajax si celelalte echipe a functionat numai fundas central), datorita faptului ca fundasul stanga s-a accidentat, iar antrenorul avea nevoie sa acopere postul...in rest a jucat si este fundas central.
In nationala a jucat fundas stanga pentru ca Kompany i-a luat locul, atunci cand el a fost accidentat (Kompany avand atunci un sezon de exceptie la City, devenind capitan de echipa). De asemenea, mai joaca fundas lateral cand i se face loc lui Van Buyten. Deci, joaca acolo pentru ca a fost scos de altii (preferati de selectioner), nu pentru ca e fundas stanga (altfel, asa ar fi declarat peste tot, nu fundas central, precum ti-am postat din sursele de mai sus).
Daca nici acum nu-ti e clar...
Ca tu crezi ca el va fi facut fundas stanga, asta-i alta poveste (insa va trebui sa te certi cu spurscommunity, care declara: "Vertonghen’s self-proclaimed strongest position is centre-back, and that's surely where his future lies."), Vertonghen insa, cel putin momentan, e fundas central, chiar daca din anumite motive de necesitate mai joaca si fundas stanga (mai ales la nationala).
e greu sa-l scoti pe vertonghen sau pe dawson din centru
va juca sigur ptr ca sunt f multe meciuri la englezi si nu sunt nici cretini sa dea 9 mil pe un juc si sa nu il foloseasca.Stiu ei deja ce sa faca , cu el si daca nu se va impune ca titular
Stiu ei deja ce sa faca , cu el si daca nu se va impune ca titular
Ce sa faca , il imprumuta inapoi la Steaua !!
Parerea mea e ca nu va prinde echipa la Spurs decat cand va fi vreunul accidentat sau prin Cupa Ligii cum juca Pantilimon :((
Mi se pare firav pentru luptele din Premier League !! Am vazut ca , in meciul cu ungurii a incercat sa dribleze prin fata careului si cand l-au tamponat atacantii aia uriasi ai ungurilor cam facea balet pe gheata :((
Au dat ei 9 mil pe el , dar la ce banet au luat pe Bale de la Real , asta e un mizilic .
Nu plang aia daca il tin pe banca de rezerve :D
Ce sa faca , il imprumuta inapoi la Steaua !!
Parerea mea e ca nu va prinde echipa la Spurs decat cand va fi vreunul accidentat sau prin Cupa Ligii cum juca Pantilimon :((
Mi se pare firav pentru luptele din Premier League !! Am vazut ca , in meciul cu ungurii a incercat sa dribleze prin fata careului si cand l-au tamponat atacantii aia uriasi ai ungurilor cam facea balet pe gheata :((
Au dat ei 9 mil pe el , dar la ce banet au luat pe Bale de la Real , asta e un mizilic .
Nu plang aia daca il tin pe banca de rezerve :D
Chiri se potrivea mai bine in Spania. Poate nu la Barca dar isi gasea loc la Sevillia sau Valencia. Acum nah, au dat cei din Spurs banii, sper sa se descurce. Am incredere in el, si continui sa sustin ca e cel mai bun fundas roman de la G.Popescu incoace.
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+1....eu cand l-am vazut dupa cateva meciuri la steaua am zis....asta e noul gica popescu!!!!
Sa nu uitam totusi ca Chiriches pleaca la o echipa mare inca de la primul sau transfer in occident,baiatul a mai trecut si pe la benfica!!!!Nici macar Mutu sau Chivu cand au plecat au plecat la echipe mici...pentru ca ajaxul din timpul lui chivu nu trecea turul 2 preliminar iar verona era o echipa mediocra!!!
Sa nu uitam totusi ca Chiriches pleaca la o echipa mare inca de la primul sau transfer in occident,baiatul a mai trecut si pe la benfica!!!!Nici macar Mutu sau Chivu cand au plecat au plecat la echipe mici...pentru ca ajaxul din timpul lui chivu nu trecea turul 2 preliminar iar verona era o echipa mediocra!!!
e greu sa-l scoti pe vertonghen sau pe dawson din centru
Tocmai asta a fost si ideea mea.
Eu zic ca pe Vertonghen n-are nicio sansa sa-l scoata din cuplul de fundasi centrali, cu Dawson ar fi ceva sanse, insa acesta nu e altul decat capitanul echipei si joaca de o lunga durata de timp la Tottenham, moreover face cuplu bine sudat cu Vertonghen, el (impreuna cu un mijlocas defensiv) ii tine spatele atunci cand iese din aparare si urca....Chiriches tocmai ca-i tipul lui Vertonghen, ei doi nu prea merg sa joace impreuna.
Mai vedem, astea-s calcule teoretice, sa vedem ce-o fi in iarba...
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Tocmai asta a fost si ideea mea.
Eu zic ca pe Vertonghen n-are nicio sansa sa-l scoata din cuplul de fundasi centrali, cu Dawson ar fi ceva sanse, insa acesta nu e altul decat capitanul echipei si joaca de o lunga durata de timp la Tottenham, moreover face cuplu bine sudat cu Vertonghen, el (impreuna cu un mijlocas defensiv) ii tine spatele atunci cand iese din aparare si urca....Chiriches tocmai ca-i tipul lui Vertonghen, ei doi nu prea merg sa joace impreuna.
Mai vedem, astea-s calcule teoretice, sa vedem ce-o fi in iarba...
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