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Subject: [WC] Eesti - Magyarország
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If Serbia loses against Germany and we win against Hungary, we're through to the next round. Luckily (?) our opponent is one of the two NTs which I know very well, let's see what should you know about Hungary.
Keepers
Not much to say here, they have several double superdivines, although only one has decent form now. There are 3 keepers in the squad:
- Tihamér Héder
- Móricz Solt
- Farkas Hartmann (injured)
Their first choice keeper, the 2x superdivine Héder has incredible form now, the second choice double divine keeper is injured and the third choice keeper, Solt, is divine on pace and probably unearthly/low divine on keeper.
We can be sure that Héder will guard the goal.
Defenders
Here comes the main strength of the Hungarian NT. Not all of their defenders are double divine, but the ones who are not has nice sideskills and some of their double divines could easily makes it to the Eesti NT too. Let's take a look at the defenders:
- Mihály Bagoly: double divine with incrediblish technique and playmaker, his passing is at least excellent. Incredible form.
- Adalbert Barna: double unearthly with sideskills around excellent. Superdivine form.
- Vince Domján: double divine (probably has superdivine skill too), passing around incredible but low playmaker. Unearthly form.
- Róbert Dulkai: he might be double divine or close to that, but has low side skills for sure. Incredible form.
- Olivér Garai: surely not double divine, has sideskills around excellent. Divine form.
- Zakariás Germán: divine def, superdivine pace, something like outstanding tech and passing but low playmaker. Divine form.
- Botond Göllei: a young double divine, mediocre sideskills. Magical form.
- Kolos Kiss: divine-superdivine with very good-excellent sideskills. You can take a look at him. Superdivine form.
- Ádám Kiss: should be similar to Kolos Kiss. Magical form.
- Krisztián Kuszende: superdivine-unearthly, very low tech and low pm. Excellent form.
- Renátó Lippai: he's like Germán, except that his passing is the weakness instead of his pm. Unearthly form.
- Viktor Matheisz: also similar to Germán but definitely a bit weaker on main skills. Superdivine form.
- Donát Paudits: low divine defender, high magical pace, outstanding technique, formid pm, almost excellent passing. Magical form, my player.
- Ábel Váncsa: probably the worst defender in the whole squad, although I can't really measure his skills since he's young and the last time I saw him was two seasons ago. Magical form.
- Buda Virágh: double divine but nothing on passing and his tech/pm skills are also mediocre. Brilliant form.
- Zsigmond Zsolt: world class defender, double divine with incredible+ tech and passing, his pm is also at least outstanding. Divine form.
Among these 16 players, Bagoly and Zsolt will surely play. I think the remaining 3 defenders will come from Domján, Germán, Kolos Kiss and Lippai.
Midfielders
If defense is the strength of Hungary, the midfield is their weakness. They have pretty good defensive mids, but their central mids are usually passing-pm monsters who lack defender skill. They are very weak on wingers.
- Adrián Babolcsay: a tipical Hungarian central mid with divine passing, unearthly pm, and ~magical pace, but he has low defender on at most very good and something like outstanding technique. Superdivine form.
- Áron Baghi: similar build to Babolcsay, but even lower pace, tech and defender. Incredible form.
- Izsó Gyurcsányi: high on technique and pace (at least magical), but crap at other skills. No defender skill, his passing can't be better than brilliant. Divine form.
- Bertold Király: a defensive midfielder with divine pace but only around brilliant defender and his other skills are around outstanding. Incredible form.
- Bódog Lehota: all his skills are around incredible as far as I know. Unearthly form.
- Tivadar Magyari: probably the best, injured fortunately.
- Medárd Mercz: very fast, but lacks passing and defender. Incredible form.
- Bálint Mohácsi: he only has pace, low on PM and defender, mediocre on passing and technique. Only formidable form, won't play for sure.
- Róbert Roland: a strong defensive mid, he's at least brilliant on all skills. His pace is the highest attribute. Unearthly form.
- Kristóf Stoll: quite ow on passing and technique, but has ~outstanding defender. Superdivine form.
- Szervác Zsolnai: similar to Stoll, but slightly higher on pace and tech and lower on passing and pm. Superdivine form.
11 players, Roland and Babolcsay will surely play. Probably Baghi too, ufhcs likes him.
Strikers
The best and only triple divine striker, Pongrác Marcsek has low form. They are pretty short on good players here.
- Menyhért Czvitkovics: recently sold as a triple unearthly, has some passing. Only outstanding form though.
- Ernő Deme: only brilliant technique, but superdivine on striker and unearthly on pace. Superdivine form. He'll only play if they use a winger.
- Hugó Fedor: he's divine on pace and tech but only has incredible striker. Divine form.
- Rezső Ferencz: balanced, has around 49 striker skills I think. Very weak on sideskills. Incredible form.
- Kelemen Hegyeshalmi: superdivine striker, but low on tech and pace. Has passing. Unearthly form.
- Vince Igaly: injured, won't play.
- Kolos Minarik: close to triple divine, he needs a few striker training only. He's the most dangerous striker, but he's struggling with his form which is at outstanding now.
- Péter Zelnik: balanced striker with 49-50 skills, incredible form.
8 players, Minarik will play, probably alone or with Zelnik. There's also some chance for Fedor's appearance, his owner pushes him quite hard :)
Tactics
I haven't checked the form changes yet, but I'm planning a 5-3-2 without winger. The defenders won't play with such a big spread as in the previous matches since I think ufhcs will stick to the same 5-3-2. I also think that ufhcs will heavily guard the sides, so our winger won't be effective, therefore I want to break through in the middle. The defense probably won't be high to lower the chances for through passes and breaking through by the strikers.
Any thoughts, anyone?
Keepers
Not much to say here, they have several double superdivines, although only one has decent form now. There are 3 keepers in the squad:
- Tihamér Héder
- Móricz Solt
- Farkas Hartmann (injured)
Their first choice keeper, the 2x superdivine Héder has incredible form now, the second choice double divine keeper is injured and the third choice keeper, Solt, is divine on pace and probably unearthly/low divine on keeper.
We can be sure that Héder will guard the goal.
Defenders
Here comes the main strength of the Hungarian NT. Not all of their defenders are double divine, but the ones who are not has nice sideskills and some of their double divines could easily makes it to the Eesti NT too. Let's take a look at the defenders:
- Mihály Bagoly: double divine with incrediblish technique and playmaker, his passing is at least excellent. Incredible form.
- Adalbert Barna: double unearthly with sideskills around excellent. Superdivine form.
- Vince Domján: double divine (probably has superdivine skill too), passing around incredible but low playmaker. Unearthly form.
- Róbert Dulkai: he might be double divine or close to that, but has low side skills for sure. Incredible form.
- Olivér Garai: surely not double divine, has sideskills around excellent. Divine form.
- Zakariás Germán: divine def, superdivine pace, something like outstanding tech and passing but low playmaker. Divine form.
- Botond Göllei: a young double divine, mediocre sideskills. Magical form.
- Kolos Kiss: divine-superdivine with very good-excellent sideskills. You can take a look at him. Superdivine form.
- Ádám Kiss: should be similar to Kolos Kiss. Magical form.
- Krisztián Kuszende: superdivine-unearthly, very low tech and low pm. Excellent form.
- Renátó Lippai: he's like Germán, except that his passing is the weakness instead of his pm. Unearthly form.
- Viktor Matheisz: also similar to Germán but definitely a bit weaker on main skills. Superdivine form.
- Donát Paudits: low divine defender, high magical pace, outstanding technique, formid pm, almost excellent passing. Magical form, my player.
- Ábel Váncsa: probably the worst defender in the whole squad, although I can't really measure his skills since he's young and the last time I saw him was two seasons ago. Magical form.
- Buda Virágh: double divine but nothing on passing and his tech/pm skills are also mediocre. Brilliant form.
- Zsigmond Zsolt: world class defender, double divine with incredible+ tech and passing, his pm is also at least outstanding. Divine form.
Among these 16 players, Bagoly and Zsolt will surely play. I think the remaining 3 defenders will come from Domján, Germán, Kolos Kiss and Lippai.
Midfielders
If defense is the strength of Hungary, the midfield is their weakness. They have pretty good defensive mids, but their central mids are usually passing-pm monsters who lack defender skill. They are very weak on wingers.
- Adrián Babolcsay: a tipical Hungarian central mid with divine passing, unearthly pm, and ~magical pace, but he has low defender on at most very good and something like outstanding technique. Superdivine form.
- Áron Baghi: similar build to Babolcsay, but even lower pace, tech and defender. Incredible form.
- Izsó Gyurcsányi: high on technique and pace (at least magical), but crap at other skills. No defender skill, his passing can't be better than brilliant. Divine form.
- Bertold Király: a defensive midfielder with divine pace but only around brilliant defender and his other skills are around outstanding. Incredible form.
- Bódog Lehota: all his skills are around incredible as far as I know. Unearthly form.
- Tivadar Magyari: probably the best, injured fortunately.
- Medárd Mercz: very fast, but lacks passing and defender. Incredible form.
- Bálint Mohácsi: he only has pace, low on PM and defender, mediocre on passing and technique. Only formidable form, won't play for sure.
- Róbert Roland: a strong defensive mid, he's at least brilliant on all skills. His pace is the highest attribute. Unearthly form.
- Kristóf Stoll: quite ow on passing and technique, but has ~outstanding defender. Superdivine form.
- Szervác Zsolnai: similar to Stoll, but slightly higher on pace and tech and lower on passing and pm. Superdivine form.
11 players, Roland and Babolcsay will surely play. Probably Baghi too, ufhcs likes him.
Strikers
The best and only triple divine striker, Pongrác Marcsek has low form. They are pretty short on good players here.
- Menyhért Czvitkovics: recently sold as a triple unearthly, has some passing. Only outstanding form though.
- Ernő Deme: only brilliant technique, but superdivine on striker and unearthly on pace. Superdivine form. He'll only play if they use a winger.
- Hugó Fedor: he's divine on pace and tech but only has incredible striker. Divine form.
- Rezső Ferencz: balanced, has around 49 striker skills I think. Very weak on sideskills. Incredible form.
- Kelemen Hegyeshalmi: superdivine striker, but low on tech and pace. Has passing. Unearthly form.
- Vince Igaly: injured, won't play.
- Kolos Minarik: close to triple divine, he needs a few striker training only. He's the most dangerous striker, but he's struggling with his form which is at outstanding now.
- Péter Zelnik: balanced striker with 49-50 skills, incredible form.
8 players, Minarik will play, probably alone or with Zelnik. There's also some chance for Fedor's appearance, his owner pushes him quite hard :)
Tactics
I haven't checked the form changes yet, but I'm planning a 5-3-2 without winger. The defenders won't play with such a big spread as in the previous matches since I think ufhcs will stick to the same 5-3-2. I also think that ufhcs will heavily guard the sides, so our winger won't be effective, therefore I want to break through in the middle. The defense probably won't be high to lower the chances for through passes and breaking through by the strikers.
Any thoughts, anyone?
I understood, that they do not have any hitec wings. So why waste 5 defs on them? As you mentioned the weakness in the midfield, maybe it would be wise to overrun them in there.
Personally I would prefer 2 wingers, but in NT it would suicide i think. So maybe 4-4-2 would be wiser. More men on midfield to prevent their throughpasses from high pm mids? The reason I would prefer wings is that we have 3-4 highform hightec wingers (Põlluäär, Ritsik, Nõmmik) even Sokk (check out his last performance in cup!!!) and Kurgpõld could be good choices, as they have high attack skills. So maybe let them end up in the box, if the ball is on the other side of the pitch. More chances to score anyway! Nõmmik, Kurgpõld and Sokk have quite high att and they regularly score in league matches! This is just my thought as I prefer to play that way.
Our CMs are do not have so good forms at the moment. So it would in my opinion be a waste to put Põlluäär, or Nõmmik or Ritsik in the middle, as they could make a mess in the wings! They don't have so many double divines (as you mentioned) in the defence, so i think if you have enough men in the middle to get the passes to the wings, they would provide enough chances to score for the ATTs. Anyway I would prefer to attack, but the decision is yours to make, as your head is guillotine :D!
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Personally I would prefer 2 wingers, but in NT it would suicide i think. So maybe 4-4-2 would be wiser. More men on midfield to prevent their throughpasses from high pm mids? The reason I would prefer wings is that we have 3-4 highform hightec wingers (Põlluäär, Ritsik, Nõmmik) even Sokk (check out his last performance in cup!!!) and Kurgpõld could be good choices, as they have high attack skills. So maybe let them end up in the box, if the ball is on the other side of the pitch. More chances to score anyway! Nõmmik, Kurgpõld and Sokk have quite high att and they regularly score in league matches! This is just my thought as I prefer to play that way.
Our CMs are do not have so good forms at the moment. So it would in my opinion be a waste to put Põlluäär, or Nõmmik or Ritsik in the middle, as they could make a mess in the wings! They don't have so many double divines (as you mentioned) in the defence, so i think if you have enough men in the middle to get the passes to the wings, they would provide enough chances to score for the ATTs. Anyway I would prefer to attack, but the decision is yours to make, as your head is guillotine :D!
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Well...I would go for 442. Especially as they lack in proper wingers. From my point of view we should be the stronger side here and therefore our defence has two options: 5 high defs or 4 lower ones. But the downside of 442 in this case is certainly the fact that our CMs are lacking in form. It's pretty much a two-sided blade. Using low 532 means we'd most probably be passive, ending with a draw. Using high 532 means we're more agressive, but leaving options for throughpasses. Using a low 442 means more gaps in defence, but more power in midfield, which means more goal possibilities for both sides. I'd certainly go for a lower 442 using a diamond-like formation for midfield(a def mid, 2 CMs on sides and in middle not an AM, but a playmaker positioned just a little higher from the side CMs). Strikers should be positioned so that one would be in space if opponent should play 3 CBs close to each-other and the other one in space if the opponent should come with an evenly distributed defence.
This would be my plan for the game:
---------GK---------
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WB---CB--CB---WB
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---------DM---------
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--CM-----------CM-
---------PM---------
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----ST-----ST------
Midfield moves would be like this:
Ball on the left flank: PM moves just a little towards the flank. CM(R) moves a bit forward and a just little towards center. DM moves to left flank to support the CM(L) and mirrored the same for the other flank. In defensive midfield play the PM should not be near the ball, the DM should be dealing it in center and CMs if the ball's on the flanks. In neutral zone place DM and PM evenly away from the ball, the CMs on line with the ball. And in offensive play, PM should be on ball in center and a CM on the ball if ball's on a flank.
EDIT: Lots of typos that annoyed me ;)
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This would be my plan for the game:
---------GK---------
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WB---CB--CB---WB
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---------DM---------
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--CM-----------CM-
---------PM---------
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----ST-----ST------
Midfield moves would be like this:
Ball on the left flank: PM moves just a little towards the flank. CM(R) moves a bit forward and a just little towards center. DM moves to left flank to support the CM(L) and mirrored the same for the other flank. In defensive midfield play the PM should not be near the ball, the DM should be dealing it in center and CMs if the ball's on the flanks. In neutral zone place DM and PM evenly away from the ball, the CMs on line with the ball. And in offensive play, PM should be on ball in center and a CM on the ball if ball's on a flank.
EDIT: Lots of typos that annoyed me ;)
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last match also lacked in decent throw-ins. there's always chance, that after throwin the mid give a throughpass (as usually everyone is standing still at the moment) or winger gives a cross, so these should be also reconsidered.
I agree with marxz, if we go with 5 defs, it will be passive and high 5 defs will get at least some through-passes and those are dangerous!
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I agree with marxz, if we go with 5 defs, it will be passive and high 5 defs will get at least some through-passes and those are dangerous!
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Seems you alreay know.. But here are Róbert Roland's skills:
excellent stamina poor keeper
unearthly pace brilliant defender
brilliant technique brilliant playmaker
brilliant passing good striker
All "brilliants" must be near to the "magicals"
excellent stamina poor keeper
unearthly pace brilliant defender
brilliant technique brilliant playmaker
brilliant passing good striker
All "brilliants" must be near to the "magicals"
Does we use Kõlli-Tamkivi, Klas-Tamkivi or Klas Kõlli attacking line?
My plan is use something what we use against belgie in 2009-05-30.
Magyarország come in my opion something like that:
----------gk---------
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def-def-def-def-def
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------mid---mid-----
----------mid--------
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-------att---att------
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Magyarország come in my opion something like that:
----------gk---------
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def-def-def-def-def
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------mid---mid-----
----------mid--------
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-------att---att------
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Thanks for the feedback.
I'm leaning towards the 4-4-2 since defense-wise we would forced to play with the weaker players again but we have no problem in putting up a strong midfield as we have Arjasepp, Kiider and Sokk in high form, even Kurgpőld might do okay. Pőlluäär also has high enough defender to play in the middle and he could cause quite some problems with his high technique.
The striker duo will be Tamkivi and Kőlli, the latter will be substituted by Klas.
What bothers me is that I managed to gather some intel and ufhcs raised up the possibility to play with a winger. Also, he's going to use offside-trap which would weaken our advantage on midfield. Waiting for more information now, perhaps my spy will be able to deliver his final decision :]
I'm leaning towards the 4-4-2 since defense-wise we would forced to play with the weaker players again but we have no problem in putting up a strong midfield as we have Arjasepp, Kiider and Sokk in high form, even Kurgpőld might do okay. Pőlluäär also has high enough defender to play in the middle and he could cause quite some problems with his high technique.
The striker duo will be Tamkivi and Kőlli, the latter will be substituted by Klas.
What bothers me is that I managed to gather some intel and ufhcs raised up the possibility to play with a winger. Also, he's going to use offside-trap which would weaken our advantage on midfield. Waiting for more information now, perhaps my spy will be able to deliver his final decision :]
One more thing: hallenser said he's going to use his best team against Serbia. I hope it's true :)
Here we go.
Hungarian line-up
Héder - Göllei, Lippai, Zsolt, Germán, Kiss K. (60' Domján) - Stoll, Roland, Csobánki - Minarik, Fedor
5-3-2 with a winger (Csobánki) and with offiside-trap.
I'm surprised that Bagoly and Babolcsay won't play, but that's only good for us. Their winger is divine on pace, magical on technique, but only incredible on passing.
Eesti line-up
Nőlvak - Kukk, Kivirähk, Rannus, Jakobson, Sal-Saller - Arjasepp, Sokk (55' Kiider), Pőlluäär - Tamkivi, Kőlli (55' Klas)
5-3-2 with high defensive line, no winger so we'll still have the advantage on the midfield and hopefully we can force our play on them. Risky, but if I play low defense against this tactic they will surely dominate, while a 4-man defense against a winger is suicide even if he has this low passing.
Hungarian line-up
Héder - Göllei, Lippai, Zsolt, Germán, Kiss K. (60' Domján) - Stoll, Roland, Csobánki - Minarik, Fedor
5-3-2 with a winger (Csobánki) and with offiside-trap.
I'm surprised that Bagoly and Babolcsay won't play, but that's only good for us. Their winger is divine on pace, magical on technique, but only incredible on passing.
Eesti line-up
Nőlvak - Kukk, Kivirähk, Rannus, Jakobson, Sal-Saller - Arjasepp, Sokk (55' Kiider), Pőlluäär - Tamkivi, Kőlli (55' Klas)
5-3-2 with high defensive line, no winger so we'll still have the advantage on the midfield and hopefully we can force our play on them. Risky, but if I play low defense against this tactic they will surely dominate, while a 4-man defense against a winger is suicide even if he has this low passing.
hope, your spy is solid. otherwise it will be total waste of att-power on defenders!
Why not Jõgesuu?
He got superdivine form!
He got superdivine form!
He's a bit low on technique, both central mids has pretty high defender skill in the Hungarian NT.
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