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I am referring to an older version of the idea.
Only teams from top 2 or 3 leagues play in the National Cup.
Rest of the teams play in League Cups.
What are teams from 4th league even doing in the National Cup, getting trashed by top teams.
Only teams from top 2 or 3 leagues play in the National Cup.
Rest of the teams play in League Cups.
What are teams from 4th league even doing in the National Cup, getting trashed by top teams.
Something is wrong with poll.
I voted.
after, with curiosity, I tried to connect with my smartphone (different connection) and I logged in to sokker, clicked the link for poll and .... I could vote again...
I tried with my sister's smartphone, and I could vote again...
from her home PC and I could vote again...
I voted only once but in my opinion this makes the reliability of the poll decay. I was wondering why you don't use a normal survey here on the sokker forum? at this point (and I'm not in the least conspiracy) this gives credit to those who believe that the survey can be manipulated. I would prefer one person, one vote
just for info...
I voted.
after, with curiosity, I tried to connect with my smartphone (different connection) and I logged in to sokker, clicked the link for poll and .... I could vote again...
I tried with my sister's smartphone, and I could vote again...
from her home PC and I could vote again...
I voted only once but in my opinion this makes the reliability of the poll decay. I was wondering why you don't use a normal survey here on the sokker forum? at this point (and I'm not in the least conspiracy) this gives credit to those who believe that the survey can be manipulated. I would prefer one person, one vote
just for info...
you can do that hundred times if you want you need just pvt browser window :(
Clearing browser history also is possible or changing ip. I trust people and I think they must be very boring and have bad faith if they do that but simply there should be no option to that. It should be avoided for both parts.
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yep most people in sokker are responsible but poll is open for public access so ...
I trust people
Sorry to tell you this, but take it as an advice that will serve you your whole life:
"Never trust people, not even your family."
Sorry to tell you this, but take it as an advice that will serve you your whole life:
"Never trust people, not even your family."
too rush i prefer trust them till they proved you several times wrong :)
I know It, you're right but I prefer think sokker's people don't have bad faith. Anyway, poll shouldn't be public to be 100% sure.
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What about system where training would be based on 3 types of games per week :
1. league match- the most important match, the biggest effectivity (100% training)
2. National cup, League cup, International cup, Whatever You Want To Call It Cup etc (85% effectivity)
3. friendlies - for people who are eliminated from cup competitions (let's say 80% effectivity)
The key point is to make training in league matches most effective, but there would be just small gap between Cup competitions and friendlies. This would maybe keep people motivated to compete in those cup competitions, but it wouldn't give big boost to better teams.
I would also suggest system where there would be 1 league game, 1 National Cup/Regional cup match and then there would be VOLUNTARY International cup, for which managers would have opportunity to choose if they want to play it or not. They could just choose to arrange friendly on that week day or not play another match at all.
I think 2 games (league+ national cup) are enough for managers to play 10 players they want to train, so only advantage of playing another competiton (Int. Cup) would be more money from tickets, but they would risk injuries and their pitch quality would drop faster.
I think this would give people opportunity to choose their way of playing, they could choose to play with A team in league and B team for training in cup, or to play A team in both League and National Cup and then arrange friendly to train their young players. Also for players who seek as many competitive games as possible they can play League, national cup and international cup.
Personally i can't see myself preparing for 4 games (even 3 competitve) matches a week, now sometimes i take time to prepare tactics for important league match if i have time, but i can't see almost anyone who would watch his opponents games and prepare tactics for 3 or 4 competitve games. And tactic has always been one of the most important parts of the game, part of the game which gave opportunity to team with weaker players to beat stronger opponents.
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btw i haven't seen junior league matches in any of these plans, not that i'd known anyone who would care for those, i think they could be removed and no one would even mention it LOL :D i just wnat to know what are you planning with those
1. league match- the most important match, the biggest effectivity (100% training)
2. National cup, League cup, International cup, Whatever You Want To Call It Cup etc (85% effectivity)
3. friendlies - for people who are eliminated from cup competitions (let's say 80% effectivity)
The key point is to make training in league matches most effective, but there would be just small gap between Cup competitions and friendlies. This would maybe keep people motivated to compete in those cup competitions, but it wouldn't give big boost to better teams.
I would also suggest system where there would be 1 league game, 1 National Cup/Regional cup match and then there would be VOLUNTARY International cup, for which managers would have opportunity to choose if they want to play it or not. They could just choose to arrange friendly on that week day or not play another match at all.
I think 2 games (league+ national cup) are enough for managers to play 10 players they want to train, so only advantage of playing another competiton (Int. Cup) would be more money from tickets, but they would risk injuries and their pitch quality would drop faster.
I think this would give people opportunity to choose their way of playing, they could choose to play with A team in league and B team for training in cup, or to play A team in both League and National Cup and then arrange friendly to train their young players. Also for players who seek as many competitive games as possible they can play League, national cup and international cup.
Personally i can't see myself preparing for 4 games (even 3 competitve) matches a week, now sometimes i take time to prepare tactics for important league match if i have time, but i can't see almost anyone who would watch his opponents games and prepare tactics for 3 or 4 competitve games. And tactic has always been one of the most important parts of the game, part of the game which gave opportunity to team with weaker players to beat stronger opponents.
P.S
btw i haven't seen junior league matches in any of these plans, not that i'd known anyone who would care for those, i think they could be removed and no one would even mention it LOL :D i just wnat to know what are you planning with those
What about system where training would be based on 3 types of games per week :
1. league match- the most important match, the biggest effectivity (100% training)
2. National cup, League cup, International cup, Whatever You Want To Call It Cup etc (85% effectivity)
3. friendlies - for people who are eliminated from cup competitions (let's say 80% effectivity)
This is basically what it is right now...with the exception of an increased training influence for league games...
1. league match- the most important match, the biggest effectivity (100% training)
2. National cup, League cup, International cup, Whatever You Want To Call It Cup etc (85% effectivity)
3. friendlies - for people who are eliminated from cup competitions (let's say 80% effectivity)
This is basically what it is right now...with the exception of an increased training influence for league games...
I really appreciate the work that you have done so far. But still none of the diaries translated into Turkish.
If you want to create an awareness , you also need to handle the communication in a better way :)
I am not criticising the developers cause ı believe this is not related with them. But mods , admins , linguists ı mean whoever responsible for spreading your message is also need to work as much as you do.
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If you want to create an awareness , you also need to handle the communication in a better way :)
I am not criticising the developers cause ı believe this is not related with them. But mods , admins , linguists ı mean whoever responsible for spreading your message is also need to work as much as you do.
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@rapelo & Olivier Aton - well, it can be an interesting idea, it also could be some kind of transition period, if option 1 will win. For sure all DEVs understand, that moving from 2 games (or even 1 i would say) to 4 in week can be a bit revolutionary.
It not so bad idea for some "testing" season. We will keep in in mind (same as rapelo idea).
There are few ways how to move from 2 games for more, and if most radical proposal will be selected it's worth to consider that kind of options.
There are few ways how to move from 2 games for more, and if most radical proposal will be selected it's worth to consider that kind of options.
Yep, if you change your computer or browser, that is possible - but, it's really hard to find more secure tool than current one, and as rapelo said - we trust people, that no one here will vote with bad faith. It's not a political voting, we hope we respect each other, it's just a game - hard to belive that few yousers will try to cheat about that.
@sviktorov - yep, there is a public access, but we really need it - it's important for us to know also opinion of ex-users or potential new users, but there is also a question in the poll to flag, if you dont have Sokker account right now.
Or maybe its an insinuation, that DEVs are voting every day and nigh for prefered option?:P no worry about it, seriously, best way to do business is to fit in people needs, not opposite.
@sviktorov - yep, there is a public access, but we really need it - it's important for us to know also opinion of ex-users or potential new users, but there is also a question in the poll to flag, if you dont have Sokker account right now.
Or maybe its an insinuation, that DEVs are voting every day and nigh for prefered option?:P no worry about it, seriously, best way to do business is to fit in people needs, not opposite.
What about system where training would be based on 3 types of games per week :
1. league match- the most important match, the biggest effectivity (100% training)
2. National cup, League cup, International cup, Whatever You Want To Call It Cup etc (85% effectivity)
3. friendlies - for people who are eliminated from cup competitions (let's say 80% effectivity)
Well, it's one of options that can be used - but it's much about details - i think that solutions like it will be an support during new system tests - first we still need a new calendar and training, then we will work on direct training bonuses values in all possible combinations - and for now, i would say that something like that is possible (for example, to give a bit less effect in league cup vs. national cup).
1. league match- the most important match, the biggest effectivity (100% training)
2. National cup, League cup, International cup, Whatever You Want To Call It Cup etc (85% effectivity)
3. friendlies - for people who are eliminated from cup competitions (let's say 80% effectivity)
Well, it's one of options that can be used - but it's much about details - i think that solutions like it will be an support during new system tests - first we still need a new calendar and training, then we will work on direct training bonuses values in all possible combinations - and for now, i would say that something like that is possible (for example, to give a bit less effect in league cup vs. national cup).