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dev wrote.... right now are 3 season per year... they want more season per year... So faster season(maybe two officail matches in week), or lower count teams in league...
i do not like this idea....
i do not like this idea....
Problems a new manager had, again the tactic editor and match orders.
After many years of playing this game, it all makes sense. But not for new managers.
Very often when helping a new manager to get started, this part is almost always a problem. Or making and saving a tactic is a problem, or using the saved tactic(s) is.
The postioning of tactic editor (I already mentioned this) but also the creating new tactic and next click that tactic, why? Someone just made a new name for a tactic, ofcourse that tactic will be used next. The need to click this new tactic name is already 1 step too many. Next the tiny text to click when saving.
It is all far from easy for new managers. If this part, which is one of the best features is made a lot more user friendly, I think many more managers will stay instead of giving up after one failed try. The fact that is has to be explained is prove it is a problem.
EDIT: and it would make sense, if tactic editor gets it's own page (which it should) to make a direct link on that page to match page. Then there is no need to find the next thing somewhere on the Sokker page where to use this new tactic. Make it all user friendly.
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After many years of playing this game, it all makes sense. But not for new managers.
Very often when helping a new manager to get started, this part is almost always a problem. Or making and saving a tactic is a problem, or using the saved tactic(s) is.
The postioning of tactic editor (I already mentioned this) but also the creating new tactic and next click that tactic, why? Someone just made a new name for a tactic, ofcourse that tactic will be used next. The need to click this new tactic name is already 1 step too many. Next the tiny text to click when saving.
It is all far from easy for new managers. If this part, which is one of the best features is made a lot more user friendly, I think many more managers will stay instead of giving up after one failed try. The fact that is has to be explained is prove it is a problem.
EDIT: and it would make sense, if tactic editor gets it's own page (which it should) to make a direct link on that page to match page. Then there is no need to find the next thing somewhere on the Sokker page where to use this new tactic. Make it all user friendly.
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Hi, exactly as long as it will not be possible to watch most of the game (including matches) on tablets or mobile phones, unless the graphics improve, it won't be more attractive, I don't think this game will go anywhere. I've been at Sokker for 10 years, I have no problem with that, I'm 42, but this is a junior real age. Without youth, not only sokker has a future !!!!
Hi, it would also help to do more managerial levels /e.g. player, assistant coach, coach, technical manager, assistant manager, manager / and the reason is simple, because the beginning must be easier. After all, several managers were once ordinary players, and in my community they are former or current players of real football. I am e.g. always wanted to mow the grass resp. take care of the football turf. I would also put such a function there. It has to be more realistic, and such spectator chants should also be possible when watching matches. It's pretty boring right now.
There aren't beginners.... :) I think it's a useless topic.
the new website design sucks. this is directly linked to the loss of users. I still use the sokker classic theme to this day and I don't give it up.
as a priority and urgent measure the first thing i would do in the role of the developers is to return classic design as the main one when opening the site.
its not responsive so they will not go back in time but they can make the new one better so i guess thats the goal but patience :)
I'm 13 years old and I feel completely lost in the new design. imagine a new user. no way.
i play game 10 years and yesterday i was looking from my phone for a page and was not able to find news page and had trouble finding it when logged :)
I intend to show some of the biggest design and fuctionality problems of sokker for beginners and I will also show in which way I see a solution.
1st Situation: User creates account and he goes (if he finds, because there is no tutorial) to the site of his players. What does he see?
- He is seeing just 2 players and he has to scroll a lot to see the rest of his team. When he arrives to the end of the page, he has already forgotten all information about the players on the top.
- He understands the age, the height, the weight, the wage and he thinks he understand the value of the player. The rest is chinese language...
Even if he zooms out, the same freaky view, even if no freaky faces are displayed:
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2nd Situation: First match finished and he wants to take a look at his team ratings.
This is what he sees:
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And now what I can see with some modifications.
Players:
Four players at first sight and if I scroll, then six players on the same page.
Furthermore I can see numbers at each skill and nobody needs to explain that 9 is bigger than 6. Also easy to remember and to compare, not?
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What I see after match:
I think that the differences are obvious, not?
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Now, it's time to fulfill my promise, to tell in which way I see a solution.
# Aristocracy is my answer.
- What is aristocracy?
# Aristocracy is to ask the experts.
- Who is an expert?
# Expert is someone who created results in the direction we want to see results.
e.g. if I have a company and I want to hire somebody for my finances, I don't care if he has studied in Harvard or LSE; on the contrary I just ask for work experience and results.
Furthermore you would not let your employees to decide who to hire, because all male employees would vote for the young girl with the nice boobies... ;)
- So, back from the boobies to the results. Who has the best results on sokker till now?
# On layout and functionality, it's Kryminator. He developed browser addon SkUnk. If you still haven't asked him about layout and functionalities, then you are already late (oh yes, you are late - 10.000 users have already left.)
# On functionality of tactic editor ask Terrion (http://www.formulamanager.com/sokker/sete). Such elements should be embedded on the game, by the first day they were developed.
# On creating a tutorial, Charles Hill. Many users started understanding sokker after reading his manuals.
# On making things more practical and create dissolve problems, Ramonymous (www.sokker-manager.net)
# Later, on video marketing, if you wish to attract new users, Cranber. (Take a look at his video!)
https://www.youtube.com/v/IBA2J0vXGN4
Finally one more thing: My call for action!
Dear reader, if you can trust and imagine the people I mentioned above, to develop our beloved game in the direction you wish, then spread the second part of this message and ask the developers to do the same. ;)
1st Situation: User creates account and he goes (if he finds, because there is no tutorial) to the site of his players. What does he see?
- He is seeing just 2 players and he has to scroll a lot to see the rest of his team. When he arrives to the end of the page, he has already forgotten all information about the players on the top.
- He understands the age, the height, the weight, the wage and he thinks he understand the value of the player. The rest is chinese language...
Even if he zooms out, the same freaky view, even if no freaky faces are displayed:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
2nd Situation: First match finished and he wants to take a look at his team ratings.
This is what he sees:
===========================================
And now what I can see with some modifications.
Players:
Four players at first sight and if I scroll, then six players on the same page.
Furthermore I can see numbers at each skill and nobody needs to explain that 9 is bigger than 6. Also easy to remember and to compare, not?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
What I see after match:
I think that the differences are obvious, not?
===========================================
Now, it's time to fulfill my promise, to tell in which way I see a solution.
# Aristocracy is my answer.
- What is aristocracy?
# Aristocracy is to ask the experts.
- Who is an expert?
# Expert is someone who created results in the direction we want to see results.
e.g. if I have a company and I want to hire somebody for my finances, I don't care if he has studied in Harvard or LSE; on the contrary I just ask for work experience and results.
Furthermore you would not let your employees to decide who to hire, because all male employees would vote for the young girl with the nice boobies... ;)
- So, back from the boobies to the results. Who has the best results on sokker till now?
# On layout and functionality, it's Kryminator. He developed browser addon SkUnk. If you still haven't asked him about layout and functionalities, then you are already late (oh yes, you are late - 10.000 users have already left.)
# On functionality of tactic editor ask Terrion (http://www.formulamanager.com/sokker/sete). Such elements should be embedded on the game, by the first day they were developed.
# On creating a tutorial, Charles Hill. Many users started understanding sokker after reading his manuals.
# On making things more practical and create dissolve problems, Ramonymous (www.sokker-manager.net)
# Later, on video marketing, if you wish to attract new users, Cranber. (Take a look at his video!)
https://www.youtube.com/v/IBA2J0vXGN4
Finally one more thing: My call for action!
Dear reader, if you can trust and imagine the people I mentioned above, to develop our beloved game in the direction you wish, then spread the second part of this message and ask the developers to do the same. ;)
Wow i totally forgive this because it is disabled for me but....
...another time, we should have a serious discussion about player avatars ! :- D
It's a weird cartoon game for kids ? what an Art direction...
I am m sorry to say there's no pool of "expert" ! WTF
That's not because peoples bring Sk tools (i am part of them) that this peoples are expert.
In fact, when heard a beginner comment i learn of lot more than making sokker tools.
We just have to post clear ideas, one topic = one idea, working on it, thinking before posting... We just need more dev feedbacks and in the end devs will take ideas or not.
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...another time, we should have a serious discussion about player avatars ! :- D
It's a weird cartoon game for kids ? what an Art direction...
I am m sorry to say there's no pool of "expert" ! WTF
That's not because peoples bring Sk tools (i am part of them) that this peoples are expert.
In fact, when heard a beginner comment i learn of lot more than making sokker tools.
We just have to post clear ideas, one topic = one idea, working on it, thinking before posting... We just need more dev feedbacks and in the end devs will take ideas or not.
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Hi, I would like to ask you a question, regarding the search for a 16 coach. One of the old users claims that to find a 16 coach, you need to choose 16 16 17 16 17 17 17 16. Another says that when he chooses to do so, he searches for all of them for 15. Do you think it makes sense to choose 16 17?