Subject: [change] Visibility of the skills of the U21 and NT players

exatly slamtam!!

For me the interests of the national team are higher than those of the club, it is like this for every sporting competition !!

I repeat that the only problem to be solved is the injury, everything else is secondary because the interest and obstructionism of a manager cannot harm an entire community!

For the visibility of the skills, I say yes for all -27 year old players.

Dtox9 do not complicate things I would say visibility for all players obviously for CT only!

hi

the owner is the one that invests HIS money buying and training the player

despite this, the current system doesn't allow he decide, if his player (in which he invested money and training) plays or not in the selection, the final decision by way of unilaterally It's at 100% in the NT (this is understandable, and in this point I agree)

the only "shield" does the owner has to show disagreement is the tiny "power" to show or not the skills, for this reason I think that showing skills should be something totally VOLUNTARY and otherwise it's unfair and disrespectful (and in general a transgression) with the user that pays and invests on the player. Also, if by chance you plays with the NT in the same club league, you could be at a disadvantage if he knows some of your players and you don't know his players, so I think giving this possible advantage, it should be a personal and voluntary decision

I think this game is, mainly, a game of clubs (and personal management), something individual and personal, and the national teams are something totally secondary

Black and white view of the world misses all the gray areas. That simple explanation of voters and coaches is ridiculous.

If this would be an unfair thing in sokker, then it's not worth to have a NT at all.
It is definitely unfair. One man deciding who's players get 125% training, are you serious?

NT injuries should be reduced or removed, and that is it. No need implement some volatile non-solution.

The interests of a manager cannot override those of a national team!

If you buy a champion, you already know that he will also have to provide his services to his country!

If you go behind the monetary interest the sport (in this case sokker) dies!

So after taking the necessary measures to compensate the owners of any injuries (monetary or not by counting the injuries in the clubs) there are no more reasons not to show the skills to the coach who spends his time and his work to do the best of the nation that has the honor of representing!
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If you go behind the monetary interest the sport (in this case sokker) dies!

it's a romantic vision of things, but I don't think it applies much in this case (it seems to me a forced "argument")


If you buy a champion, you already know that he will also have to provide his services to his country!

I do not deny it (although in my case, I also train or complement many players, my team model is to buy players players not over 23 years old, but that is another topic ...), the point is that i accept this, for this reason I said in my previous answer: --the final decision by way of unilaterally It's at 100% in the NT (this is understandable, and in this point I agree)--

my point is that I think that showing skills should be 100% voluntary, and the opposite is a violation and disrespect with the player owner (come on, it's not that complicated to understand)

the nation that has the honor of representing!

In your case, it is not my case, this is something very personal and it's absurd to generalize individual emotions and believe that all communities and countries are identical

If we want to stick to the reality that the game is inspired by (otherwise it wouldn't have this charm)
You have a selfish view of the game in the sense that the player is not yours, you buy it for his sporting performances but he still represents a national community!

Otherwise what sense would it make to divide the world of sokker into Nations?

So I repeat once you have been, rightly, repaid by a possible injury your interest stops there!

Among other things, it seems to me that the majority of the options expressed in these forums go in the right and due vision to show the skills to the National Coach!

Thank you very much for your comments. In your case, I wanted to find out why the visibility of skills should be something unfair, disrespectful and invasive.

For now, I would like to focus the discussion here only on the visibility of the abilities of U21 and NT players. We know the advantages and disadvantages by now and at the moment the disadvantages of NT, that the players can get hurt, outweigh the advantages. With the U21, the ratio between advantage and disadvantage is somewhat balanced, because you can actually still benefit from training bonuses.

Now I will come back to you: I understand your request very well! I know of very few managers like you who can hardly show any enthusiasm for the NT and U21 in public. First of all, this is completely okay and this opinion is also respected. But we must look at this concern from a higher perspective:

As has been said here, the NT and U21 should be above the club. This view is also the same in real life. If a player of a nation is very strong, it is the interest of the country to offer him for the international matches.

However, the fact that training players is supposed to be a very intimate affair and the owner therefore only wants his player for his team is a very selfish way of looking at it. Why is that? I took a quick look at your squad and you have/have had some NT players, but not all of them are from your youth team, many were signed from somewhere else and you have thus made yourself part of this community game. Therefore your argument is very incomprehensible up to this point.

Furthermore the risk of abuse of a NT or U21 coach is very low. NT and U21 coaches are under constant observation and as soon as someone takes advantage of a player's visibility, his NT or U21 career is over very quickly and the damage would be very small, because you can't take a decisive advantage of it either.

So back again:

I want to focus this thread more on the visibility of the abilities. In another thread I want to discuss the reforms at the U21 and NT (and also there, about the risk of injury etc.).

Well, at the beginning of this thread, I have again compiled all relevant information.

If we want to stick to the reality that the game is inspired by (otherwise it wouldn't have this charm)

If we want to stick to the reality, to get started, the national teams shouldn't even play every week and should should exist something like "FIFAS dates" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

"If we want to stick to the reality" would exist something like national federations that also pay money for the development of their national players

and I repeat, I never denied that: "he still represents a national community" , for this reason I said in my previous answer: --the final decision by way of unilaterally It's at 100% in the NT (this is understandable, and in this point I agree)-- , I think you are trying to (badly) manipulate the argument, this I repeated and explained this in the all answers

"You have a selfish view of the game "

in fact, I have a personalistic vision of the game (just as you have a romantic and sentimental vision), and I don't think this is bad, but as I said earlier: I think this game is, mainly, a game of clubs (and personal management), something individual and personal, and the national teams are something totally secondary



I don't deny the right of the national teams to counts with his players (here is where you are 100% lost in the discussion -despite I repeated it several times-), I only argue that I believe that the discretion of show the skills should be respected, and that showing them, should be a voluntary and consensual act ..., the point it's not that complicated .....

Look, I completely understand your opinion and that's fine, like I said. But I don't want to show this perspective from a single club (or a few clubs), but from the community. There are many ways to enjoy this game here. We all know the drawbacks, and this should be discussed in another thread.

For example, if suddenly the risk of injury for NT players in NT games is no longer implemented and the owners of such players are compensated for parking their players for the international games, then you will probably soon have a different perspective, but this is really a different topic. But since you have a completely different opinion that the abilities should only be visible to the club owner, because this is very personal information, then I can't help you any more, I accept this representation and that's ok. But if, as I said before, the advantages would clearly outweigh the disadvantages, would you change your mind? If so, then let's open a new thread to discuss further ;)

but that's football! a team cannot deny that a player goes to the NT

I think we need compromised solution here skills visible only for NT staff with not rights for public advertisement without consent of owner. I think i also some NT coaches may do not want opponents of to see how week my wing is or something like that :) so its understandable not to be full public
Nice page only for NT staff with filters by skill will eliminate needs of NTDB we build ...

As has been said here, the NT and U21 should be above the club.

This is a personal opinion, which I do not share in absolute, in my opinion the nature of the game is focused mainly on the management of the clubs, and the national teams are only an "extra"



I took a quick look at your squad and you have/have had some NT players, but not all of them are from your youth team, many were signed from somewhere else and you have thus made yourself part of this community game. Therefore your argument is very incomprehensible up to this point.


I think this could easily enter in the: "correlation does not imply causation"

I have thus made yourself part of this community game (as you say) , paying money to someone who that sold (benefits exchange -nobody sells/buys obligatorily pointed by a pistol-), just as I play against other rivals (and not against myself), and I still don't see, where these things contradict my opinion of that show the skills should be a personal and voluntary decision, sorry

It seems normal to me that you don't understand (after all, you don't have to know my team and how I manage it), as I mentioned before my team model is to buy players not over 23 years old (then I trained and developed them in good part), but this is irrelevant because the rules apply equally to everyone and not selectively according to the way the team is managed

all this without taking into account that according to the changes there will be international leagues (possibly increased chance of coincidence competing against an NT who knows your player), so this process should be as friendly, agreed and voluntary as possible


Furthermore the risk of abuse of a NT or U21 coach is very low. NT and U21 coaches are under constant observation and as soon as someone takes advantage of a player's visibility, his NT or U21 career is over very quickly and the damage would be very small, because you can't take a decisive advantage of it either.

this is so relative .... , I get the impression that you are assumed that all contexts, cultures and communities be equal




anyway, I repeat again, the only thing I defend is that it be respected the voluntariness in the action of showing the skills or not (from your answers, it seems that I was promoting a movement to disappear the nationals teams in the game xD)


again: the final decision by way of unilaterally It's at 100% in the NT (this is understandable, and in this point I agree)

but that's football! a team cannot deny that a player goes to the NT


bffff other more jajajaja, lost cause ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



Super F for me and for my (failed) attempt at explanation =(

would you change your mind?

my opinion is formed, I have only expressed and tried to explain it (although I think I fail to explain it, because always someone answer me something that is not the point in my opinion) =(

in any case, I have to accept the changes that are made, i like it or not (more I can not do), thanks for reading my argument

i see respect your opinion thanks for sharing it