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Subject: [change] Visibility of the skills of the U21 and NT players
compromise solution: approximate level of skills + full skills if owner allow it...
Im not really sure that approximate skills is really usefull :-) But why not.
Im not really sure that approximate skills is really usefull :-) But why not.
I don't understand why such a simple thing has to be complicated!
Skills are seen or not seen!
I believe that the dev can already have an idea and if he solves the problem of injuries and to safeguard the interests of the club it could give the CT the opportunity to do their job well and without confusion!
Skills are seen or not seen!
I believe that the dev can already have an idea and if he solves the problem of injuries and to safeguard the interests of the club it could give the CT the opportunity to do their job well and without confusion!
well, value is a really really approximation :-)
But i often used values in NT for players not update since few months...
But i often used values in NT for players not update since few months...
ive seen players with huge value trained super bad for position is not in use in such cases :(
Am I the only one who would like to see approximate skill values just so watching the game would be more fun.
Imagine watching Barcelona vs Real Madrid.
Fun.
Now Imagine watching Barcelona vs Real Madrid, and not knowing anything about Reals players.
That's lame.
Imagine watching Barcelona vs Real Madrid.
Fun.
Now Imagine watching Barcelona vs Real Madrid, and not knowing anything about Reals players.
That's lame.
You mean in leagues, cup , NT, ... showing approximate skills ? Im really fan of this too! But for now, sokker is design with hidden skills for all users.
Yes.
It would make matches more enjoyable to watch. At least for me.
It would make matches more enjoyable to watch. At least for me.
If I don't have PLUS I cannot see other clubs' matches, that's the point. Also in real football coaches know everything about the players by watching the matches on tv or they get info in other ways. I know many people like to enjoy the game lonely way, but for other dudes is fun also competition… If I like to see popping skills on thursdays I change sport, that's my opinion. It's not FIFA because we don't have stickers! We don't play with dolls, needing more HARD D**K men and less pussies… LOL :D
We don't play with dolls, needing more HARD D**K men and less pussies… LOL :D
That's not a very sensible idea. It would unnecessarily complicate the game. This is a Verschlimmbesserung (I love this word!) and in the end it will lead to nothing again, because we already have such an instrument, and that in the values of the players.
The easiest and most uncomplicated way would be to make the skills visible. This has been practiced in many online games for years and has never been a problem. So why not in Sokker?
It's not about making the NT and U21 coaches kings. It's about providing a helpful and simple tool. The damage of abuse is comparatively very small. In the NT, individual skill differences already decide and many such NT players are for example between the 28 and 32 age, where a down in pace can already give. On the other hand, it is also about players whose teams are rarely online or whose language barriers exist.
For example Peter Kvalsvik:
I did not have enough defenders for the World Cup. His skills were unknown and his owner was very rarely online. A query could never be realized. The question now was: Do I have to scout this player? Watch his games? Is he fast enough? Can he defend? This procedure costs an enormous amount of time and this time would have been better spent elsewhere.
If I had known his skills from the beginning, I would have been able to decide quickly. Yes, this is a player who can help the U21 or not. I will choose another one.
And that's an example of sokkernations, where often only the U21 coach is alone. He is responsible for scouting, creating tactics, counter-scouting, tactics analysis of the opponent. Pretty much for everything.
As again:
- We know Sasuke's opinion. We respect this opinion, but we don't necessarily have to share it.
- Alternative skill visibility as slavista has suggested would make things much more complicated. We need the exact skills here. (we need just a simple solution that is also easy to implement and can be accomplished with little effort).
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The easiest and most uncomplicated way would be to make the skills visible. This has been practiced in many online games for years and has never been a problem. So why not in Sokker?
It's not about making the NT and U21 coaches kings. It's about providing a helpful and simple tool. The damage of abuse is comparatively very small. In the NT, individual skill differences already decide and many such NT players are for example between the 28 and 32 age, where a down in pace can already give. On the other hand, it is also about players whose teams are rarely online or whose language barriers exist.
For example Peter Kvalsvik:
I did not have enough defenders for the World Cup. His skills were unknown and his owner was very rarely online. A query could never be realized. The question now was: Do I have to scout this player? Watch his games? Is he fast enough? Can he defend? This procedure costs an enormous amount of time and this time would have been better spent elsewhere.
If I had known his skills from the beginning, I would have been able to decide quickly. Yes, this is a player who can help the U21 or not. I will choose another one.
And that's an example of sokkernations, where often only the U21 coach is alone. He is responsible for scouting, creating tactics, counter-scouting, tactics analysis of the opponent. Pretty much for everything.
As again:
- We know Sasuke's opinion. We respect this opinion, but we don't necessarily have to share it.
- Alternative skill visibility as slavista has suggested would make things much more complicated. We need the exact skills here. (we need just a simple solution that is also easy to implement and can be accomplished with little effort).
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- Alternative skill visibility as slavista has suggested would make things much more complicated. We need the exact skills here. (we need just a simple solution that is also easy to implement and can be accomplished with little effort).
Exactly !!!
Exactly !!!
The easiest and most uncomplicated way would be to make the skills visible. (...)why not in Sokker?
Sokker is different, and many of us are thankful for this. "Why not like the others?" is not really a great argument.
But if the question is visible skills for all that's another question, topic, and general discussion, not SPECIFIC to NT.
"It's not about making the NT and U21 coaches kings. (...) The damage of abuse is comparatively very small."
"we don't necessarily have to share it."
Thats why i use the term "kings". kings never think about what is fair or unfair, thats not a question.
Once again if you cross this line, users like @Sasuke will ever protest and for good reason : why the hell NT coach can see skills and not US !?. Removing some right, freedom and equality in profit of a "simple solution" and lille damage will never stop protest.
We can argue that's just game, not a big 'political/philosophy' thing, im totally agree! But we can argue that's not YOUR game, kings! 1-1 draw game, no win.
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The optional way i suggest is not the simplest solution, but simple AND fair :
Getting an option to explicitly NOT showing skills to NT (a button to check in user profil fo ex.), OR by default NT coach can get visible skills. That's not a perfect, i KNOW, but as NT coaches we all know that's a better comfortable solution than actually.
So now...
1) we continue to discuss about what is right or wrong for NT users or all users ?? As i said, 1-1, positions will never change...
2) we have any better alternative solutions ? Ok fine...
3) can we find a consensual solution in a controversial topic? And finally show something to the devs...
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Sokker is different, and many of us are thankful for this. "Why not like the others?" is not really a great argument.
But if the question is visible skills for all that's another question, topic, and general discussion, not SPECIFIC to NT.
"It's not about making the NT and U21 coaches kings. (...) The damage of abuse is comparatively very small."
"we don't necessarily have to share it."
Thats why i use the term "kings". kings never think about what is fair or unfair, thats not a question.
Once again if you cross this line, users like @Sasuke will ever protest and for good reason : why the hell NT coach can see skills and not US !?. Removing some right, freedom and equality in profit of a "simple solution" and lille damage will never stop protest.
We can argue that's just game, not a big 'political/philosophy' thing, im totally agree! But we can argue that's not YOUR game, kings! 1-1 draw game, no win.
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The optional way i suggest is not the simplest solution, but simple AND fair :
Getting an option to explicitly NOT showing skills to NT (a button to check in user profil fo ex.), OR by default NT coach can get visible skills. That's not a perfect, i KNOW, but as NT coaches we all know that's a better comfortable solution than actually.
So now...
1) we continue to discuss about what is right or wrong for NT users or all users ?? As i said, 1-1, positions will never change...
2) we have any better alternative solutions ? Ok fine...
3) can we find a consensual solution in a controversial topic? And finally show something to the devs...
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