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Subject: [idea] auto-bidding and/or direct selling.
Even if an auto-bidding option would be implemented you still need to be present at the moment of the deadline (if you really want a player and want to overbid a last-minute bid), so it wouldn't change that much.
But it also wouldn't hurt the game I think, so I guess +1.
I'm not that big on the direct selling option, there are to many downsides like previously mentioned in this topic. So -1 on that.
But it also wouldn't hurt the game I think, so I guess +1.
I'm not that big on the direct selling option, there are to many downsides like previously mentioned in this topic. So -1 on that.
1) in-game AUTO-BID system.
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I don't know how I feel about it. I am in favor of helping people who don't have much free time, but this would turn even more people into day trading business.
One thing I am absolutely against, is making this a plus feature. That would be a pay2win feature.
2) Direct selling.
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Totally against this one. The whole point of auctions is to determine real market values and ensure regularity of transfers. Even you acknowledge that we would need an anti-cheating system, that is where you need to come up with an idea. This is not an idea, it's just a wish.
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I don't know how I feel about it. I am in favor of helping people who don't have much free time, but this would turn even more people into day trading business.
One thing I am absolutely against, is making this a plus feature. That would be a pay2win feature.
2) Direct selling.
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Totally against this one. The whole point of auctions is to determine real market values and ensure regularity of transfers. Even you acknowledge that we would need an anti-cheating system, that is where you need to come up with an idea. This is not an idea, it's just a wish.
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1) day trading is about buying at less price, i dont think setting an auto max price is really a better strategy than the actual "bid by hand at time limit" ! Day traders really LOVE the actual system...
A pay2win feature? Once again, what's the benefit of auto-bind Vs hand bid at time limit. Auto-bid is a confort feature (so a good candidate for "plus" imo)
2) whatever direct-sell happen or not, we actually need regulation of transfers : that the WISH we can expect. My proposal is an idea :-p What's happen if someone buy/sell overprice/underprice "direct selling" ? Just a TAX on regulation like it should ALREADY happen in the ACTUAL "fabulous anti-sheat" bid-by-hand system ^^
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A pay2win feature? Once again, what's the benefit of auto-bind Vs hand bid at time limit. Auto-bid is a confort feature (so a good candidate for "plus" imo)
2) whatever direct-sell happen or not, we actually need regulation of transfers : that the WISH we can expect. My proposal is an idea :-p What's happen if someone buy/sell overprice/underprice "direct selling" ? Just a TAX on regulation like it should ALREADY happen in the ACTUAL "fabulous anti-sheat" bid-by-hand system ^^
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I dont want to spend my time connected, waiting the "last minute" to rise a price and finally (usually) forgive because prices rising too high for me (and not only for me :) ...
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This is actually the reason why I am nearly out of the game.
I have money to spend. I have no time to waste.
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This is actually the reason why I am nearly out of the game.
I have money to spend. I have no time to waste.
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About 2) Direct selling
The only way I think it could be thinkable:
The owner set a price for direct selling. Everyone who's interested click on the button (like the one you created) and, after the two day waiting (like currently market), system make a random drawn among candidates (which has funds).
It could be useful to avoid cheat. Of course it won't guarantee you'll have the player you want, but at least you won't need to be online at deadline.
Please discuss.
The only way I think it could be thinkable:
The owner set a price for direct selling. Everyone who's interested click on the button (like the one you created) and, after the two day waiting (like currently market), system make a random drawn among candidates (which has funds).
It could be useful to avoid cheat. Of course it won't guarantee you'll have the player you want, but at least you won't need to be online at deadline.
Please discuss.
This mean of a lot of random for direct sell and we miss the goal : spend time on market because we'll had to try and try again direct sell waiting for a nice random :-) no. But nice try.
imo we'll never find any change on market (auto bid / direct sell, or whatever...) until we get a price controller system.
imo we'll never find any change on market (auto bid / direct sell, or whatever...) until we get a price controller system.
i suspect that a few users already have same kind of auto-bid programs because they were offline and still bid on players
i think the idea of auto bid system is not bad, but must be limited... let's say u can use it for maximum 5 players per season... and for all users not just for plus users... and not the least if u buy a player with auto bid system u must pay an additional fee depending on the transfer amount... let's say around 5 %
and the direct selling could work like this... u put a player on TA for number of days... and the seller must set an initial asking price... in this period on TA the potential buyers will make official offers for the player ( it would be preferable to have offers from at least 2 users )... at the end of the period if the highest offer is at least equal to the initial asking price then the player will be bought immediately and without other negotiations by the team that made the highest offer...
on the other hand, if the highest offer is lower than the initial price requested, it will be possible to negotiate (which will take several days and possible with more users) to reach a good amount for both the seller and the buyer ... at the end of these negotiations if the amount is accepted by both parties the highest bid wins and the player immediately leaves for that team
of course direct selling should also have additional fees around 5 % of transfer sum
now it remains to be determined whether any player can be sold with direct selling or only players over a certain transfer amount can be sold directly ( at least 10 million lei for example )... a think option 2 could work better because there probably will be at least 2-3 users that would make offers to the buyer and the price would be fairer... and for rest of the player TL as now of course
i think the idea of auto bid system is not bad, but must be limited... let's say u can use it for maximum 5 players per season... and for all users not just for plus users... and not the least if u buy a player with auto bid system u must pay an additional fee depending on the transfer amount... let's say around 5 %
and the direct selling could work like this... u put a player on TA for number of days... and the seller must set an initial asking price... in this period on TA the potential buyers will make official offers for the player ( it would be preferable to have offers from at least 2 users )... at the end of the period if the highest offer is at least equal to the initial asking price then the player will be bought immediately and without other negotiations by the team that made the highest offer...
on the other hand, if the highest offer is lower than the initial price requested, it will be possible to negotiate (which will take several days and possible with more users) to reach a good amount for both the seller and the buyer ... at the end of these negotiations if the amount is accepted by both parties the highest bid wins and the player immediately leaves for that team
of course direct selling should also have additional fees around 5 % of transfer sum
now it remains to be determined whether any player can be sold with direct selling or only players over a certain transfer amount can be sold directly ( at least 10 million lei for example )... a think option 2 could work better because there probably will be at least 2-3 users that would make offers to the buyer and the price would be fairer... and for rest of the player TL as now of course
because they were offline and still bid on players
As far as i know its impossible, we need a user session to bid on player...
Anyway, i think auto-bid scripts are running because some high traders are very, very actives ^^
And I need ones ! :-D
I dont find any good reason to limit auto-bid. Just set a max-price, this price is taken away from club finance (like actually, when we make bid) this limit abuse for too much players bid... I dont think any other abuse, except high swapping trading, but since that's happen already with scripts and devs don't limit number of tradings we need auto-bid for all, not only hackers :-)
About Direct selling. That's a solution for peoples who dont want to wait the last minutes...for nothing...Actually we need to be connected a lot, and spend much times waiting on market (due to less and less offers volume). Such a complex mechanism (like your proposal) would negate the benefit of spending less time on the market. But im ok for a 5%+ tax (seller and buyer) since that's a confort trading compare to bidding.
About abuses. Because people are usually still afraid about auto-bid and direct tranfer fraud... Let's be clear : Actually there re NO price controllers, we can sold 2x 3x a 'common price', 'abuse' happen now. Actually , for sure some teams already use auto-bid scripts (or spending their times 12h behind a computer ? ^^) so what's the hell not adding auto-bid for... all ?
As far as i know its impossible, we need a user session to bid on player...
Anyway, i think auto-bid scripts are running because some high traders are very, very actives ^^
And I need ones ! :-D
I dont find any good reason to limit auto-bid. Just set a max-price, this price is taken away from club finance (like actually, when we make bid) this limit abuse for too much players bid... I dont think any other abuse, except high swapping trading, but since that's happen already with scripts and devs don't limit number of tradings we need auto-bid for all, not only hackers :-)
About Direct selling. That's a solution for peoples who dont want to wait the last minutes...for nothing...Actually we need to be connected a lot, and spend much times waiting on market (due to less and less offers volume). Such a complex mechanism (like your proposal) would negate the benefit of spending less time on the market. But im ok for a 5%+ tax (seller and buyer) since that's a confort trading compare to bidding.
About abuses. Because people are usually still afraid about auto-bid and direct tranfer fraud... Let's be clear : Actually there re NO price controllers, we can sold 2x 3x a 'common price', 'abuse' happen now. Actually , for sure some teams already use auto-bid scripts (or spending their times 12h behind a computer ? ^^) so what's the hell not adding auto-bid for... all ?
simulating login is not so hard thats the way NTDB updates worked .. so i will not be surprise if auto bidding scripts exist ..
NTDB update, i remember the times when you updated your database, that was s very visible ;-D
But for bidding, you need your team session for sure, maybe just a quick and fast login logout, but a session...
Anyway.
But for bidding, you need your team session for sure, maybe just a quick and fast login logout, but a session...
Anyway.
yeh :) 900 user in Bulgaria logged :)
you simulate session with cookies to log to update players its pretty much same i guess if system thinks you are logged you can do almost everything
you simulate session with cookies to log to update players its pretty much same i guess if system thinks you are logged you can do almost everything
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Reduce high traders profits
2) -1
Almost impossible to control
Reduce high traders profits
2) -1
Almost impossible to control
2) -1
Almost impossible to control
Why ? can peoples give a f*! real example for this, just one please ^^
Actually IT IS controllable since DEvs/admins transfer prices are supposed to be verified ... Direct selling, like any selling actually will be recorded in a database, and controllable.
Most arguments against are about (impossible) controls, but if everything is impossible to control that's happen now because hey i can sell my poor skilled player at 10 Millions, i just need a "friend" without conrols, i dont need direct selling or any auto-bidding system for this....
I m tired to repeat this time after time, its like peoples didn't read anything except two things 1) "auto-bidding" 2) "direct selling" . My god :-)
Almost impossible to control
Why ? can peoples give a f*! real example for this, just one please ^^
Actually IT IS controllable since DEvs/admins transfer prices are supposed to be verified ... Direct selling, like any selling actually will be recorded in a database, and controllable.
Most arguments against are about (impossible) controls, but if everything is impossible to control that's happen now because hey i can sell my poor skilled player at 10 Millions, i just need a "friend" without conrols, i dont need direct selling or any auto-bidding system for this....
I m tired to repeat this time after time, its like peoples didn't read anything except two things 1) "auto-bidding" 2) "direct selling" . My god :-)