Subject: [GD] Length of the Season - Announcement

main problem why so many managers left is, that no one listened to them and there was no update (just on some rlly annoying bugs, not real work) since arcade games...that was 6-7 years ago...there was no problem with length of the week, lack of games and so on...just complete lack of communication....


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The reason was that Devs didn't listen users' wishes (even though they opened the Ideas and Suggestions topic for that and the Bugs / Ideas (en) forum was full of users' ideas back then) and decided to work on their own innovations.
Almost all of them turned out to be disasters (with exception of arcade matches) and the series of failures culminated with Inter Football Manager. Instead on Sokker, they worked on a new manager game that no one played at the end. After that the Devs went to a complete silent mode until now.

Users were stuck with the game that no one developed anymore. They didn't know that the game would even survive and no one believe in any further developments. That's why most of the people left.

I wish Devs learned from their mistakes. After all, 2 out of 4 were Devs back then.


The List of sokker Updates as presented in the News

11/2014 - Inter Football Manager (total failure)
03/2014 - New layout (failure)
08/2013 - Sokker coins and new payment methods (useless)
06/2013 - Arcade matches (good job)
02/2013 - NEWS Ideas & Suggestions Poll (useless)
09/2012 - 3D Viewer Update
06/2012 - National Teams Stadium Selection and Engine Improvement
05/2012 - New 3D Match Viewer((failure)]
05/2012 - Weight + height of players (failure)
02/2012 - Various Sokker Improvements
10-12/2011 - Very frequent server downtimes
09/2011 - New payment methods
05/2011 - Plus Price Changes
03/2011 - Facebook Integration, player faces and more (failure)

Here is the number of users in Sokker history
There are some bizzare numbers 05-12/2015 but those were just fake users that no one could explain
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but i guess there should be some international cup and some other changes...but putting it all on current league system is a bit not fair...

Well, none of us said, that users left only cause to less games and lenght of the season or calendar. We said, that we make lot of work, research and interviews to understand past users problems, and calendar is one of them. And it is.

We give you wider context in first Dev Diary, and you can find more informations there about all areas that will be upgraded.
Today we give you more specific context about shortening season, as we see it's important to many of you. But it doesnt mean, that it's crucial change to be made for new users, rather a one element of many, and it's just first one we decide to talk about.

many of us need to know how training will work.
At the moment what I see story goes that friendlies will be almost or without influence on training, like arcade. Thats ok.
Season length will probably change. Thats ok to, increace training % and desrease injury happening or injury period.
League games 1 per week, 2 per week, or somewhere middle. Ok also, whatever option.

Cup competion from start to end of season. Well thats the problem, because it will not. Even if there is enough users in country that cup last for so long, still someone must drop out. So if im out of cup, what can i play on those days, what will happen with training that i get from cup/friendly games.
This season i was with u21 squad in cup competition, while league i played 1st squad. Friendlies were next and its how i complete my training season, with some 24-26 guys playing league, some old dudes included and u21 team for cup/friendlies. Will i manage this with new schedule? I dont want to drop out of cup, and then next option is that these young lads play league games, that i combine team in order to get gold middle. If i can still play friendlies and they count for training as they used (a bit increased if season is shorten) then im back to OK.
And in all this schedule im ok if international competition doesnt influence training at all, so i dont have to think about where my player played, with which setting, in order to gain training. And place it like planned in day after training day, or even on same day.

Thanks for the detailed communication. By just doing this, you guys have ensured that users are going to stick to Sokker.

On our end, we support and trust on whatever final decision that you guys take.

for problem of drooping from cup i proposed solution teams to not drop but keep playing for lower position
but small countries will have less rounds than poland and having less fixtures for good training is not fair so
that is why i think solution with official games is pushed will be able to know when training is reveal now is just a guess..
i do not see why friendlies should have less impact on training insead of messing up the fixtures but as i said patience :)

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Completely right.

I'm sorry Raul but that's right, it's not about Length, about number of games, is about that... we are all happy that you want to give sokker new life but the decline of sokker is due to the abandonment by the Devs in last 6 years...

the difference between sokker and other games as inter football manager is that sokker is better, so it still exists after 15 years. We don't need to turn it into another game... we need to improve it, take care of it. If you turn sokker into a new inter football you kill him ;-)

Thanks for the detailed communication. By just doing this, you guys have ensured that users are going to stick to Sokker.

On our end, we support and trust on whatever final decision that you guys take.

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I have been playing this game since 2006. I love this game. There was a time, when sokker mean for me almost everything. Now, I am sokker pensioner, but I was forced to wake up from sleep. These changes do not save the sokker, but destroy it. Why? You present changes... as individuals. That's bullshit. In sokker is not alone the length of the season, and alone training and alone match engine. It is one game. If you change season, you change everything. And potentially destroy everything. There is no point in presenting the individual parts. Work through the complete changes. Calculate them. Analyze them. Test them. And then present them on forum with the data. That is the only way. Everything else will mean the end of this game. Be careful!!!
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right!

Wow, that is a very detailed message! Many thanks for it!

Now I can understand some things and why the season should be shortened. I am actually against shortening a season, but now I can see why this needs to be done. It seems too radical to me to shorten the season to 12 weeks, but I could live with a 13-week season, even if I would not be very enthusiastic about it.

My request from my side:

- Please, no more than 3 compulsory games a week. 4 compulsory games would be far too much.
- If this change is definitely introduced, please announce it in advance. Maybe one season (16 weeks :p) in advance?

Excellent text. I trust you.

Shortening the season will reduce the number of similar players at the peak of their skills. talent would excel and that would be great. Above all, I believe that for that the youth system should be back to the way it was, so that users can follow the players' talent with certainty. ;)

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- If this change is definitely introduced, please announce it in advance.

For sure it will be, and maybe even few seaosn with old system left - we need lot of development work and also time for testing, so you will get your time to prepare.

Well as nowadays the junior coach level affected the progress of juniors. A maximal talent was around 3.1 with unearthly coach and then the number of weeks gradually increased (3.3 with magical, 3.5 with brilliant or so)


But the juniors' graphs nowadays .. it is just a complete mess

I agree with the youth development thing as well. Since a while I am back into sokker after I started back 10-15 years ago, can't even remember.

Those days youthschool was clear and simple. Now as a "beginner" i noticed with an incredible coach that the skill guess of the coach is horrible even in a way it makes it hard to see
1 if there is any talent
2 make a discission to keep a player or not
3 no more real proove of talent

For me the old system was way better.
The only thing i forgot is what the level of the youth coach means than, because talent was fixed 3 - 4 - 4,5 ... So What was the influence of the coach on the youth school?

3 games a weeks seems enough for me but I like the idea of 12 teams in one league : 2 competition games a week + 1 national cup game.
The only thing about the cup is that all the best teams stay longer in the cup which is normal, whereas newbies /lower teams are eliminated immedeatly and will have to play friendly's and receive less training than the big teams who keep on competing in the cup. Therefor there needs to be a sort of compensation that those who get eliminated still have the same training %

So they don't keep the advantage of extra training against smaller teams