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Subject: [IDEA] YOUTH SCHOOL
after 18weeks in youth school my junior drops from outstanding to excellent -.-
3juniors pop down
2juniors pop up
what a training
I think I am going to terminate the youth school, it only drives my crazy and I am paying 70k every week for a nothing and I dont see a single player with potential to pay me back at least those 70k
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3juniors pop down
2juniors pop up
what a training
I think I am going to terminate the youth school, it only drives my crazy and I am paying 70k every week for a nothing and I dont see a single player with potential to pay me back at least those 70k
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1. Your youths do not participate in junior league matches, that's why your coach has a difficulties in estimating their level.
Rules:
7. Sub junior school
The Juniors’ Coach
You need to assign a youth coach to ensure that your juniors are trained. His general appraisal will determine how quickly the juniors will improve their skills. He will also decide when a player is ready for testing in the first team line-up. Your junior coach’s general skill decides on how accurately the general skill of each junior is estimated. The higher the coach level, the more exact the junior level determined. Also, the more matches your junior plays, the more adequately the coach knows his total skill and shows it to you.
2. You sold your juniors for a total sum of 21.75m of euro so far. First youth was sold in Feb 2017, so I'm guessign that you found your academy 8 months (2 seasons) earlier, in June 2016. Lets say you are spending 70k euro a week since then. Total cost of you YS up to today is 14.75m euro. Profit - 7m euro! It's for example, another 6 season of youth school for free. May I kindly ask you, what more do you demand? A divine 16yo junior with talent 3.0 every season? :)
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Rules:
7. Sub junior school
The Juniors’ Coach
You need to assign a youth coach to ensure that your juniors are trained. His general appraisal will determine how quickly the juniors will improve their skills. He will also decide when a player is ready for testing in the first team line-up. Your junior coach’s general skill decides on how accurately the general skill of each junior is estimated. The higher the coach level, the more exact the junior level determined. Also, the more matches your junior plays, the more adequately the coach knows his total skill and shows it to you.
2. You sold your juniors for a total sum of 21.75m of euro so far. First youth was sold in Feb 2017, so I'm guessign that you found your academy 8 months (2 seasons) earlier, in June 2016. Lets say you are spending 70k euro a week since then. Total cost of you YS up to today is 14.75m euro. Profit - 7m euro! It's for example, another 6 season of youth school for free. May I kindly ask you, what more do you demand? A divine 16yo junior with talent 3.0 every season? :)
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so the fact that my ys is profitable should change the fact that the youth school system is completely dull? I really hope some of the next Dev Diaries will be dedicated to this problem.
Anyway, most users in the survey said that this is the biggest problem in the game that needs to be fixed.
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Anyway, most users in the survey said that this is the biggest problem in the game that needs to be fixed.
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most users [...] said that this is the biggest problem in the game
hopeless [1] manipulation
hopeless [1] manipulation
better to read the forum first, before you start to embarrass yourself
I may take this topic as an example, 1st page:
Dtox9 do vendetta
I've always thought that would be a great addition
Maserati do slavista
This can solve the faster aging problem a little bit because the players from YS will be a bit younger.
Riga do vendetta
+1 . Seen lots of divine, unearthly youth pulls at 19 or 20 age which worth nothing ..
temen do Riga
Or maybe like this : Just reduce the maximum weeks in youth schools for young players. Maybe max 1.5 season
juytt do vendetta
+1 But its doesn't solve much the problems.
Y.S need for sure many more reform to really improve UX
ribella do temen
+1.. Max waiting time could get lower with age. I mean like if the player joins at his 18, max 20 weeks; if 17 max 25, 16 max 30.. Something like that
No one said that this is "the biggest problem in the game", so stop maniupaliting with facts! You are spamming almost every topic in the same way.
Dtox9 do vendetta
I've always thought that would be a great addition
Maserati do slavista
This can solve the faster aging problem a little bit because the players from YS will be a bit younger.
Riga do vendetta
+1 . Seen lots of divine, unearthly youth pulls at 19 or 20 age which worth nothing ..
temen do Riga
Or maybe like this : Just reduce the maximum weeks in youth schools for young players. Maybe max 1.5 season
juytt do vendetta
+1 But its doesn't solve much the problems.
Y.S need for sure many more reform to really improve UX
ribella do temen
+1.. Max waiting time could get lower with age. I mean like if the player joins at his 18, max 20 weeks; if 17 max 25, 16 max 30.. Something like that
No one said that this is "the biggest problem in the game", so stop maniupaliting with facts! You are spamming almost every topic in the same way.
Please I am the creator of this "Thread" and I would ask you to stick to evaluating my proposal and add positive or negative things to it and stop sparking with opinions that have nothing to do with the main theme. If you keep spamming I will ask the MODs to intervene
May i kindly ask you why are you directing your request to me? Is it just becasue I'm in the opposition to your idea? Today 7AM slavista spammed your topic with another crying story, then he tried to manipulate with facts, then he tried to offend me. I'm following the SK DEV [EN] forum since day one and i know his behaviour. Usually i ignore users like him, but today I couldn't resist myself and just pass by his spamming post.
enough of offtopic
-1 for your proposal
There is too many multiple divine players in the sokker already, so, in my opinion, any idea, to make juniors even stronger, is a very bad idea.
enough of offtopic
-1 for your proposal
There is too many multiple divine players in the sokker already, so, in my opinion, any idea, to make juniors even stronger, is a very bad idea.
I did not mean you, for informatics things my post was answered to yours, I made a call to talk about my proposal in this thread, not other things that have nothing to do with it. I sincerely apologize for the misunderstanding, I did not mean you
Y.S is just a small part of a linear system progression : to reach multiple divine we need years of training in club.
As i said we can fix multiple-divine with training progression in club and not Y.S, there s much parameters to play with to change/reduce training progression for high skills.
Plus, you said Y.S increase the gap between old and new users.. Its quite the opposite. All you need is ... luck.
Y.S is the one way to get "stars" early for newbies, and since Y.S is mostly random older teams can spend a lot of money for nothing... The other way is training and trading for years (or months, with high frequency trading) but in that case olders teams (active) ALWAYS beat "newers" at this game theoretically because time in a linear system progression is always in favor of olders. (of course thats theory; in practice active player, especially on trading market, can reduce or increase the gap during time...)
As i said we can fix multiple-divine with training progression in club and not Y.S, there s much parameters to play with to change/reduce training progression for high skills.
Plus, you said Y.S increase the gap between old and new users.. Its quite the opposite. All you need is ... luck.
Y.S is the one way to get "stars" early for newbies, and since Y.S is mostly random older teams can spend a lot of money for nothing... The other way is training and trading for years (or months, with high frequency trading) but in that case olders teams (active) ALWAYS beat "newers" at this game theoretically because time in a linear system progression is always in favor of olders. (of course thats theory; in practice active player, especially on trading market, can reduce or increase the gap during time...)
Y.S is just a small part of a linear system progression : to reach multiple divine we need years of training in club.
As i said we can fix multiple-divine with training progression in club and not Y.S, there s much parameters to play with to change/reduce training progression for high skills.
At this moement, all we need is slower training progess, it's a very simply solution and shorter seasons will do that.
Plus, you said Y.S increase the gap between old and new users.. Its quite the opposite. All you need is ... luck.
You are absolutely right, it's all about the luck right now and it should stay like that, at least, at this moment. It should be just a small addition and give some fun, not to be the main source of income.
Y.S is the one way to get "stars" early for newbies, and since Y.S is mostly random older teams can spend a lot of money for nothing... The other way is training and trading for years (or months, with high frequency trading) but in that case olders teams (active) ALWAYS beat "newers" at this game theoretically because time in a linear system progression is always in favor of olders. (of course thats theory; in practice active player, especially on trading market, can reduce or increase the gap during time...)
Old users want top juniors and they are spending huge money on them, they are overpaying a lot. Most of them don't even look at the average youths. Thanks to that, new users, may buy a bunch of decent 17-18yo juniors for about 100K each and gain a huge profit just after one season of training. Then buy another 10, but this time for 500k-1m each and get even better profit etc etc IMO This is really well balanced and works well for 15 years so far. More powerful (16yo unearthly juniors) and fully controlled (predictible age, predictible talent, level of junior adequate to money spent on YS etc) YS system will strenghten only the old users.
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As i said we can fix multiple-divine with training progression in club and not Y.S, there s much parameters to play with to change/reduce training progression for high skills.
At this moement, all we need is slower training progess, it's a very simply solution and shorter seasons will do that.
Plus, you said Y.S increase the gap between old and new users.. Its quite the opposite. All you need is ... luck.
You are absolutely right, it's all about the luck right now and it should stay like that, at least, at this moment. It should be just a small addition and give some fun, not to be the main source of income.
Y.S is the one way to get "stars" early for newbies, and since Y.S is mostly random older teams can spend a lot of money for nothing... The other way is training and trading for years (or months, with high frequency trading) but in that case olders teams (active) ALWAYS beat "newers" at this game theoretically because time in a linear system progression is always in favor of olders. (of course thats theory; in practice active player, especially on trading market, can reduce or increase the gap during time...)
Old users want top juniors and they are spending huge money on them, they are overpaying a lot. Most of them don't even look at the average youths. Thanks to that, new users, may buy a bunch of decent 17-18yo juniors for about 100K each and gain a huge profit just after one season of training. Then buy another 10, but this time for 500k-1m each and get even better profit etc etc IMO This is really well balanced and works well for 15 years so far. More powerful (16yo unearthly juniors) and fully controlled (predictible age, predictible talent, level of junior adequate to money spent on YS etc) YS system will strenghten only the old users.
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slowing training progess is a fix, don't blame the Y.S for multiple divine :)
We actually need more descent Y players for many reasons.
1) Y.S are usually a lost of money or not much profit (compare to trading/farming), even the luckiest. Just find me ONE coach who think he make profit, i am really curious to calculate the balance.
2) Price inflation on players. When "newers" gain few millions that sound cool no? But now thats just REALLY POOR compare to old users with many more skilled and valuable players.
3) Y.S are too much unpredictable. That dont help 'olds" who can spend millions and millions in Y.S but that"s dont help new players too, who maybe want to spend money in Y.S as a strategy of progression, but that's very random strategy...for all.
buy a bunch of decent 17-18yo juniors for about 100K each and gain a huge profit just after one season of training.
That's what i said. Farming. But at this game, "newers" levered the youngs for the olds, you scarified challenges for training. Maybe you can gain few millions (pray for many talent 3) but you need to repeat this over times and for sure old players already do that but with more and more money and valuable players than "newbies". That's a never end cash game where those who have less cash to invest always loose.
This is really well balanced and works well for 15 years so far.
Wow, really? Actually top prices are near to 20m€, 10m€ few seasons ago, max 5m€ 10 years ago... Tell me the good news for new users? Only High traders and old teams who cumulate money during time can play this game of cash.
Not to say that new users for 15 years is clearly not a real success ^^
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We actually need more descent Y players for many reasons.
1) Y.S are usually a lost of money or not much profit (compare to trading/farming), even the luckiest. Just find me ONE coach who think he make profit, i am really curious to calculate the balance.
2) Price inflation on players. When "newers" gain few millions that sound cool no? But now thats just REALLY POOR compare to old users with many more skilled and valuable players.
3) Y.S are too much unpredictable. That dont help 'olds" who can spend millions and millions in Y.S but that"s dont help new players too, who maybe want to spend money in Y.S as a strategy of progression, but that's very random strategy...for all.
buy a bunch of decent 17-18yo juniors for about 100K each and gain a huge profit just after one season of training.
That's what i said. Farming. But at this game, "newers" levered the youngs for the olds, you scarified challenges for training. Maybe you can gain few millions (pray for many talent 3) but you need to repeat this over times and for sure old players already do that but with more and more money and valuable players than "newbies". That's a never end cash game where those who have less cash to invest always loose.
This is really well balanced and works well for 15 years so far.
Wow, really? Actually top prices are near to 20m€, 10m€ few seasons ago, max 5m€ 10 years ago... Tell me the good news for new users? Only High traders and old teams who cumulate money during time can play this game of cash.
Not to say that new users for 15 years is clearly not a real success ^^
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1) example A: just find my response to slavista on this page (few posts above).
example B: You found your club 10.5 years ago, Lets say that you opened an academy 10 years ago, Lets say you have had 30 juniors and the magical youth coach from the beginning (of course this is unreal) , so you spent approx. 30m until now. Your income is 36m, profit? 6m. (but i can bet that your real profit is much higher then that - fired players are not showed in total income). Also how many youths you kept in your club and never sold? For sure this one and this one, how many in the past?
Conclusion: As far as i know, MOST of managers, earlier or later gain profit from a YS and for sure I will open my academy within one or two seasons.
2) and 3) I explained my point of view in the previous post and I will not repeat myself. Also I like this term "strategy of progression" What old and rich users want in real is to spend 100m on YS and gain juniors worth double or triple then that within a season or two, yes, such a complicated "strategy" :)
slowing training progess is a fix, don't blame the Y.S for multiple divine :)
I don't blame current YS system, it's well balaced, lets keep it as it is.
That's what i said. Farming. But at this game, "newers" levered the youngs for the olds, you scarified challenges for training. Maybe you can gain few millions (pray for many talent 3) but you need to repeat this over times and for sure old players already do that but with more and more money and valuable players than "newbies". That's a never end cash game where those who have less cash to invest always loose.
Wow, really? Actually top prices are near to 20m€, 10m€ few seasons ago, max 5m€ 10 years ago... Tell me the good news for new users? Only High traders and old teams who cumulate money during time can play this game of cash.
Not to say that new users for 15 years is clearly not a real success ^^
You have no idea what term "farming" means. I do training, not farming! Farming is related with a multi-account activity.
DEVs know that poeple sacrificed challenges for training and this is the main reason why they will change training and league system (also fans expectations, sponsors, prizes etc too).
Good news for newbies? Again, I explained my point of view in the previous post and I will not repeat.
edit: This is my last post in this topic,so thank you for sharing your opinion with me, have a nice day :)
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example B: You found your club 10.5 years ago, Lets say that you opened an academy 10 years ago, Lets say you have had 30 juniors and the magical youth coach from the beginning (of course this is unreal) , so you spent approx. 30m until now. Your income is 36m, profit? 6m. (but i can bet that your real profit is much higher then that - fired players are not showed in total income). Also how many youths you kept in your club and never sold? For sure this one and this one, how many in the past?
Conclusion: As far as i know, MOST of managers, earlier or later gain profit from a YS and for sure I will open my academy within one or two seasons.
2) and 3) I explained my point of view in the previous post and I will not repeat myself. Also I like this term "strategy of progression" What old and rich users want in real is to spend 100m on YS and gain juniors worth double or triple then that within a season or two, yes, such a complicated "strategy" :)
slowing training progess is a fix, don't blame the Y.S for multiple divine :)
I don't blame current YS system, it's well balaced, lets keep it as it is.
That's what i said. Farming. But at this game, "newers" levered the youngs for the olds, you scarified challenges for training. Maybe you can gain few millions (pray for many talent 3) but you need to repeat this over times and for sure old players already do that but with more and more money and valuable players than "newbies". That's a never end cash game where those who have less cash to invest always loose.
Wow, really? Actually top prices are near to 20m€, 10m€ few seasons ago, max 5m€ 10 years ago... Tell me the good news for new users? Only High traders and old teams who cumulate money during time can play this game of cash.
Not to say that new users for 15 years is clearly not a real success ^^
You have no idea what term "farming" means. I do training, not farming! Farming is related with a multi-account activity.
DEVs know that poeple sacrificed challenges for training and this is the main reason why they will change training and league system (also fans expectations, sponsors, prizes etc too).
Good news for newbies? Again, I explained my point of view in the previous post and I will not repeat.
edit: This is my last post in this topic,so thank you for sharing your opinion with me, have a nice day :)
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6m€ profit in 10 real years ... (silence)... is it a joke? Lol.
(For me) "Farming" simply means : 'don't challenge, just buying opportunities for training players -youngs or not- to maximize training and profit, then repeat de cycle' .
That's a sokker habit, just sound normal, but that's against challenging. (Typically, millionaires clubs staying in low divs with youngs and almost zero winning titles).
(For me) "Farming" simply means : 'don't challenge, just buying opportunities for training players -youngs or not- to maximize training and profit, then repeat de cycle' .
That's a sokker habit, just sound normal, but that's against challenging. (Typically, millionaires clubs staying in low divs with youngs and almost zero winning titles).
Well if that makes them happy few times when was disappointed by ME and fairness of championship went in lower division definitely not for me but maybe focus is that better ME and fair championship then people may wake up. We have example 75 rating in third division :)
Oh well, you provoked me...
You started your academy 10 years ago (30 seasons) most of your players from YS are sacked (your very first juniors should be 46-48yo right now) or deleted (together with a BOT teams), so amounts received from their sale, are not added to the total income. You play Sokker for over 10 years so far and you don't know about it? (silence) LOL (silence) LMAO (silence) is it a joke? Also, most impotant, you said "Just find me ONE coach who think he make profit" so I took your club as an eqample and I ruined your majesctic theory and now you are trying to change the topic? It's not a nice behaviour!
Most of you, "YS-revolution-demanders", just want to gain easy money or highly skilled 16yo junior with talent 3.0 for nothing. Is that what you call a strategy? (it is a rhetorical question, so please do not try to answer)
BTW For me farming means growing potatoes and pigs :) We are talking about sokker reality, so please , learn what some terms mean. This conversatin is going to nowhere, that's enough for me. Thank you for all your attention and have a nice day! :)
You started your academy 10 years ago (30 seasons) most of your players from YS are sacked (your very first juniors should be 46-48yo right now) or deleted (together with a BOT teams), so amounts received from their sale, are not added to the total income. You play Sokker for over 10 years so far and you don't know about it? (silence) LOL (silence) LMAO (silence) is it a joke? Also, most impotant, you said "Just find me ONE coach who think he make profit" so I took your club as an eqample and I ruined your majesctic theory and now you are trying to change the topic? It's not a nice behaviour!
Most of you, "YS-revolution-demanders", just want to gain easy money or highly skilled 16yo junior with talent 3.0 for nothing. Is that what you call a strategy? (it is a rhetorical question, so please do not try to answer)
BTW For me farming means growing potatoes and pigs :) We are talking about sokker reality, so please , learn what some terms mean. This conversatin is going to nowhere, that's enough for me. Thank you for all your attention and have a nice day! :)