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Subject: [Idea] Merge of small countries/leagues

2020-12-05 18:38:50
Dtox9 to bal
They now have other priorities.
Also, it's not because they don't react, that they don't read...
2020-12-06 21:45:23
bal to Dtox9
I hope so...because not only in this topic but in many others we had very interesting suggestions by a lot of users!
2020-12-20 16:04:17
achmid to bal
Yeah as Dtox said, at present they are working on other priorities.

However the more support they see in here from the small country users who see this as a way to enjoy the game, the more likely they are to implement it (and hopefully not before it is too late, assuming it isn't already too late).

Great to know this idea has your support bal
2020-12-20 18:36:48
bal to achmid
you are welcome achmid..all the game supporters want the game to survive and evolve because it is a fun way to pass our time!

I believe that after the game implements the most basic changes we can contact the devs in the main topic about most of the ideas that were stated in other topics and check their intentions. I am optimistic that now they are more involved and willing to apply usefull changes that can make the game more tempting for both existing users and the newcomers
2020-12-21 15:30:50
As a person from a very little community I can totally say that I agree with the idea of merging the little countries. Since 2012 I have had 3 teams (including the one that I have now).

The first time I was expelled due I had another account as my Young team. I transferred all the juveniles that I though that could be good, but not enough to be in my "A" team. In this way I was making the game a little more interesting, because of the young team. I know that this is not correct but in a country with only 10 users average, is very boring to compete.

The second time I joined sokker I reached my team to be 3rd best in the country, by that time we only had 5 users!!!! And only 3 were worth having matches. I left due it was very very boring.

This third time I returned because a friend told me that it was a little bit more interesting because we have 7 users or so, and it is! So if we have 7 users and it's more interesting, imagine having the users of all Central America!
2020-12-21 16:31:35
Sure, really boring. You must be the unique country where the number of users has increased over time. That's the only good news.
2020-12-21 20:58:05
A merge and different league structure, as in 1-2-4-8-16-32 + bottomdivision (for all new managers to start in during a season)

In that case 16 users is enough for a country to have 2 divisions + large bottom division, 1 full first division and 2 half full second divisions. Or 24 users so all first and second divisons can be filled.

When there are enough managers to have their own country, all should start in a large bottom division, end of the season the best 16 promote to second division, next season the best 8 promote to first division and the rest will promote to second division. Bots in bottom divsion can never promote to second division, so when a manager team is 8th at the end of a season and no human controlled team in bottom division, no one will go to bottom division. An only 7 bots are needed to make sure there is so all managers will always play matches and there is somekind of a competition as bots will also play against each other. Bots are always reset teams so never too strong.

Bottom division for new managersis fair because nothing changes in divisions during a season that can be negative or possitive for a few teams but not all, that is unfair. And it is not much fun for human controlled teams to start in a division with way too strong opponents and loose all matches 10-0 or way worse. Better in a bottom division with other weaker teams and a few bots.

Oh, and after the end of season, a bot reset, so all teams with no active managers become bot (all players to TL and new players for bot, and then promotions and degradations, next replace all bots in second division with highest human controlled teams from bottom division.

This way you will always play against (enough) human controled teams, also in the large bottom division. And income of large bottom division should be the same as the next division. (in bottom division number 1 plays against number 3, number 2 against number 4, etc, so only 1 or 2 bots are needed to make sure everyone will play a match, and most of the times against a human team. Only stadium income should be split in 2 because you don't always play home-away-home, etc.

Or are the number of managers in divisions also gonna change from 8 to more?


But first solving Flash.

(edited)
2020-12-22 01:13:50
Some more good news for you:



(on January I will make actual statistic)
2020-12-22 07:28:52
In that case 16 users is enough for a country to have 2 divisions + large bottom division, 1 full first division and 2 half full second divisions. Or 24 users so all first and second divisons can be filled.

I think that the correct number is 24 for a national minimum.

anyway your analysis is very interesting! :)
2020-12-22 10:06:41
wow so much success ^^ :-)
2021-01-16 14:04:00
Nice summation there.

I do think you will find some of these small countries are artificially inflated though with the "save players from NT topic".

Every time an admin logs in to a bot team, it counts that bot as a user, and small countries are not only affected more by NT players being in teams that go bot (as there isnt the same depth, and their lower skills makes them more affordable), but the smaller manager number makes an additional 1-2 bots being counted as quite a large % change.

I do however like the work that has gone in to this, and the next time it is updated (in 2yrs), the change will be a little more accurate as that save players from NT thread will have altered the figures in both the 2020 and 2022 version

EDIT: I just saw the numbers for Australia, and they are quite low, so these stats possibly happened pre-that thread, in which case, they are accurate and I take back what I wrote above :D

Not deleting though, just in case I mis-read my misreading
(edited)
2021-01-24 22:32:29
So the possible merge we will not see it until 2022?
(edited)
2021-01-25 07:34:16
No merges are planned.
2021-01-26 00:55:55
That's even worst ☹️
2021-01-26 03:45:20
No merging has been announced yet, but we live in hope, otherwise if no merges are planned, then no growth from most sokker countries are planned either
2021-01-27 19:29:52
Scotland down to 17 teams/ 15 active+2 bots.