Subject: Tactics & Substitutes

I suggest that when you put a player from the bench to keep the substitute's option in the field.

Many times we have to change our tactic and we want to apply a more offensive or defensive tactic depending on the game score but it is a bit diseffective because the player that enters keeps the option of the player that was already inside and leaves the field.

For example when you want to put a player with ATT option in the position of a player for example with MID option and you change your tactic in order to have +1 striker in the field you end up having a striker in the field that delays his attack because of his tactic option.

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This discussion was hold somewhere else allready.

The problem was that the order is key for the players training.
So, IF this option would be adjusted, which makes sence, sportively, then they should adjust the way training is calculated now, based on the minutes played, in their last match, before training and with the last order...

Imo, training should cumulate for the order you have your player played for.
Fe... If a player trains playmaker and he plays 90 minutes on sunday, as MID, and the first 15 minutes on wednesday as a MID but cause of a change in the tactic he switched to ATT order, he should receive his full training for the sunday match + 15 minutes for his first minutes in the friendly match.
Now, he would lose all match training, which is not logical at all...

So, if devs change the training as I said it should, your idea gets +1 for me too :-)

i have already thought about it and my proposal of course comes in a point that we expect the traing to change.

and as you also said..Now, he would lose all match training, which is not logical at all... which i also believe that is totally irrational..

i think that is an issue of better programming and that is much more feasible to apply now that a lot of things will change

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Even with the issue mentioned by @Dtox9, (good point, btw) I think we should have the option to choose what's more important to us, training a player or prioritize a match result.

Maybe to make it clear on the rules and implement some alert when we are about to do something like that, will help to avoid some mistakes.

we already have the option and we already get an alert (tactic position in red letters)

I am talking about something different:)

No, we can't substitute a MID for a ATT, for example... Instead, if we try to do this, the ATT on bench plays as MID.

i will use the topic to add idea on subs conditions are not enough but quick win for it could be if instead change to be always at specific min to be after after or equal. This way we will not check result with several conditions ..

this is exactly what I am saying. it is not possible now but it should be. it suits our tactics purposes 100%.

read the example I wrote on my first post and you will understand ;)

"I am talking about something different"

That's why I said "no". I agree with you, and we just talk about the same thing :)

good to know! :)

also it would be great that in that CO section there is also possibility to negate whole or just some parts of CO...

I have another suggestion for the substitutes, but will adress it here, since it's a good topic to talk about it.

It regards the switch/sub for the ''red card or no player'' tactical order.

Now, if a player got sent off, you can replace him with a player on the field, to have a safety net for f.e. gaps in your defence, if it is a CD that got sent off...
The problem is that you sacrifice another position to have that safety net. But more importantly, if it is a player with another order, he will switch the place, but not the order.
2nd problem... If you would switch to another tactic, you can only cover 4 positions to have the tactic switch triggered if it regards a ''red card or no player'' issue.

My proposal is an extra order within the ''red card or no player'' order...
It should be possible to have the 2nd tactic triggered if you suffer a red card, regardless of the position.
But also it should be possible to have a striker [or another offensive player] substituted when the 2nd tactic comes in.
So f.e. you have a CD who got sent off with a red card. you play with a 4-4-2 tactic and want to switch to a 5-3-2, but want to sacrifice your 2nd striker for an extra defender.
So there should be an order that the striker comes off and got substituted for your DEF-substitute, who, in his turn takes the place of the suspended CD.

or just having more slots for conditional orders in general

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