Subject: [GD] Pay-to-win elements

I am competitive, but I like things to be fair. There are no big pay2win elements, but there are still some that offer some advantage. Maybe I missed some, but the red one is the most important.

Public notes
Helps you sell players for a higher price. This is significant, especially when you post talent for youngsters, and soon we will have the ability to see real skill progression in youth academy and correct talent.

Watching matches of other teams
This is not a big advantage, after all, Plus users don't know which tactic you are gonna use, but it would be nice if all users could get free weekly tokens and save them to check out an important opponent. Also, watching games should be unlocked for CC participants as a reward. CC is the final level of Sokker, it should be as fair as possible. Or unlock CC games for everyone to watch, it's kinda like NT.

Limited number of tactics
Free users can have 10. It's not a big deal because the engine is bad :) It could be and issue, if you only play 442, and you use 3 different set-ups for defs, 3 for mids, 2 for strikers, when you combine those you get 18 different tactics, and that is just for 442. If they add more tools to the editor, though, it's a different story, if you could quickly make big changes.

Public notes
There is an easy solution: hide notes to players on sale

Watching matches of other teams
This seems a big reason to pay for the plus, so it needs to stay like it is, I guess. But making CC games public wouln't hurt so much and it would make the competition more interesting to follow for everyone

Limited number of tactics
Not a problem, I think. You can manage extra tactics with external programs. Plus users just can manage them easier
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Watching matches of other teams
This seems a big reason to pay for the plus, so it needs to stay like it is, I guess. But making CC games public wouln't hurt so much and it would make the competition more interesting to follow for everyone

I like it


Limited number of tactics
Not a problem, I think. You can manage extra tactics with external programs. Plus users just can manage them easier

I like it


Terrion, btw, it would be nice to include in SETE a "shate tactic" button to paste the link directly in the forum


I think I have said already before but once again: Sokker Asistente is great and SETE is amazing!!

Unlocking CC matches for everyone would be a great thing for the communities. It's not a selling point for Plus, nobody would buy Plus just to watch matches unrelated to them, but it would make forums more alive, it's a talking point.

I just hope that devs are gonna do something about public notes, don't know if Raul is still reading topics here :)

+1

ofc i'm reading! :P

Well, probably there could be a different understanding of "no pay to win". We dont want to give any serious advantages for PLUS users, but sokker is rather very fair game when you compare it to other online titles - in lot of games you can buy better skills or expand infrastructure by real cash. We will never accept things like that.

From the other hand, % of PLUS users is really low. its not more than 12-15% of users at the moment, and with so low engagement it will be hard to keep our investing plan. So plus should be more attractive, thats why we are working now to complete training reports and create better charts - someone would say, that its also a pay to win, if non-plus users will not be able to track training results so well, they also cant make a print screen from talent chart... in my opinion its to far. Some small advantages should be kept for plus users.

PS - i like the idea to open CC games to be watched for everyone.

+1

Yea, Sokker doesn't have any blatant pay-to-win element, and I love that.

I hope that Plus is gonna get much better, quality-of-life features are a good selling point, make more of those and even public notes could be addresses at some point. For example, give plus users tools for faster tactic making.

Unlocked CC games would be very cool. Thanks for still reading topics :)

@ Raul :
- You had higher than 12-15% in the past?
- About "plus should be more attractive":
One more user posted yesterday (link-2021-07-18 19:03:12) about stoping paying for plus. The reason? He can't watch matches.
I think it was the 4th time, that someone wrote he can't watch matches and he will stop paing for plus. I believe it is obvious that this is your main task if you want to make plus more attractive: Make 2D and 3D lighter. They are very heavy for old pc's and the match-animation is flickering or not even starting.

1. it was rather lower, but also number of users was higher - so more occasional users vs regular ones, now we have almost regular only. For sure plus was never worth its price... training reports are a good example, users need to use external programs while SK is to basic in that element. That's why its one of our priorities right now.
2.Agree, but its also one of most difficult elements to develop. Please remember, that we would lose possibility to watch games with the end of last year without new viewers - there is still an option to make them more accessible, for older divices, but also for mobile (3D especially). please remember also, that 2D is working on mobile since new viewer is introduced, its also important improvement.

I agree, it's one of most difficult elements to develop and transition from flash-animation to html5-animation was one essential milestone. :)
I read " there is still an option to make them more accessible" - this sounds to be the solution for the problem I mentioned. Please keep it on mind when you set priorities about your next tasks.

You didnt mention TRAINING REPORT. It's a pay-to-win feature.

Of course there are external apps (better than sokker), but if we dont have any external app, the ingame training report is a must NEED.

Also i think that most of free users have no clue about trainings because of this. And finally quit the game. Training report should be a core feature for all to keep the free users (or maybe add training more details and deep graph/data for "plus" only).

Training report should be a core feature for all to keep the free users (or maybe add training more details and deep graph/data for "plus" only).

You're goddamn right.

You didnt mention TRAINING REPORT. It's a pay-to-win feature.

It's a great tool to have, but it's not pay-to-win.
He can keep the statistics for himself, easy in excel...
If you pay, you win time/effort, but the result will be the same.

He can keep the statistics for himself, easy in excel...

Well, i mean it's a game ^^ If you have to manage yourself the training with excel for sure that's a good reason to pay "plus"... or just quit the game ! Free users, you are welcome ! :-D

You know...if you play a small fee you can have sheets and statistics.
You won't have better players or better income or better match results...