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Subject: New server option?
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Hi everyone, would it not be fun to have an option to transfer your team to a new server and start the game with other players at level.
I see a lot of people, specially new players complaining about overpowered teams, farmers in their leagues, stuffed with cash for players which make problems on transfermarket, league & other competitions. I personally think that players that stayed for so long deserve to have good players good budget but I dont see other solution for new players to catch up with them or even be near them if you dont play it for a long time.
Problem with the people is that playing for a year, two, three or even more is quite a long time and thats why most of them leave.
The new server option would be totally up to players and if they choose it, their team would be reset, as for their budget with an option to only transfer their plus (if they have it).
I see a lot of people, specially new players complaining about overpowered teams, farmers in their leagues, stuffed with cash for players which make problems on transfermarket, league & other competitions. I personally think that players that stayed for so long deserve to have good players good budget but I dont see other solution for new players to catch up with them or even be near them if you dont play it for a long time.
Problem with the people is that playing for a year, two, three or even more is quite a long time and thats why most of them leave.
The new server option would be totally up to players and if they choose it, their team would be reset, as for their budget with an option to only transfer their plus (if they have it).
For me Challenge accepted. But i don't think this will happen
In my opinion creating a second server would be a way to kill a game, dividing an already dwindling community. This idea may look exciting and tempting, but it would only "solve" the problems temporarily, what will happen on the new server after 2-3 years? Gap will already be there, between teams that are managed better and those managed worse, and between new and old teams. And then what? Another server dividing the community even more? Reset? You can't reset server often when it takes many seasons to fully develop a player. The whole "life-cycle" of one player, let's say from age 16 to age 36, is 5 real years.
If a new team is properly managed (without being a trader team) it can now achieve a top level in 3-4 years.
I think it would take a similar number of years for a new server to get a stable economy and a nice number of good players at any age, in the beginning it would just be chaos and a lottery "who will get good juniors from youth school as soon as possible".
Also, only the small percentage of teams will ever reach a top level, especially in bigger countries. It doesn't matter if it's a new or old server. Most users will always manage their team badly and it doesn't matter if they play for 5 or 50 years, they will always be at most a bit better than average, but never great.
And by the way, I see that looking at your team. You have one player under the age 23 (I don't count that 20 years old player who played one match in 5 months), so you are not using the best way to improve your team, that is by training young players. <Here> at the top of page 17 I wrote a simple guide to training that's should be good enough for new teams to quickly improve.
If a new team is properly managed (without being a trader team) it can now achieve a top level in 3-4 years.
I think it would take a similar number of years for a new server to get a stable economy and a nice number of good players at any age, in the beginning it would just be chaos and a lottery "who will get good juniors from youth school as soon as possible".
Also, only the small percentage of teams will ever reach a top level, especially in bigger countries. It doesn't matter if it's a new or old server. Most users will always manage their team badly and it doesn't matter if they play for 5 or 50 years, they will always be at most a bit better than average, but never great.
And by the way, I see that looking at your team. You have one player under the age 23 (I don't count that 20 years old player who played one match in 5 months), so you are not using the best way to improve your team, that is by training young players. <Here> at the top of page 17 I wrote a simple guide to training that's should be good enough for new teams to quickly improve.
Depends on how much would they like to spend on advertising the game, because as much as you need a good game you have to have a good advertisment and I dont think they ever had that serious.
You have a point, in couple of years, we would face same problem like here, so it would need a 2nd Alternative plan of how to keepbalance between new registered players and veterans.
Regarding my Management of Team, everyone have their own philosophy, someone is patient and likes to train players but this is again problem for new team. How can you get a talented player if you dont have enough money on your account and if you dont own junior school, you cant compete with the big fishs on transfer market, but owning Trainers and junior school is also expensive, even more expensive when you are new to game and dont have so much income of Sponsors, when you dont have so much Fans etc.
You have a point, in couple of years, we would face same problem like here, so it would need a 2nd Alternative plan of how to keepbalance between new registered players and veterans.
Regarding my Management of Team, everyone have their own philosophy, someone is patient and likes to train players but this is again problem for new team. How can you get a talented player if you dont have enough money on your account and if you dont own junior school, you cant compete with the big fishs on transfer market, but owning Trainers and junior school is also expensive, even more expensive when you are new to game and dont have so much income of Sponsors, when you dont have so much Fans etc.
everyone owns a junior school.. it's all about the randomnes of pulling a good junior to sell it, which is the best start; because you cant train him with the average coaches.
this idea is a big no from me, because i know players that started like 12-15 years after me, and in Croatia they are competing on the top level.
this idea is a big no from me, because i know players that started like 12-15 years after me, and in Croatia they are competing on the top level.
Regarding my Management of Team, everyone have their own philosophy, someone is patient and likes to train players but this is again problem for new team. How can you get a talented player if you dont have enough money on your account and if you dont own junior school, you cant compete with the big fishs on transfer market, but owning Trainers and junior school is also expensive, even more expensive when you are new to game and dont have so much income of Sponsors, when you dont have so much Fans etc.
It's easy to buy juniors for less than 50k euro that will be worth 1-2M euro after one or two seasons of training. You don't compete on market with "big fish", they usually buy top 10% juniors. You can make something useful from average looking juniors, you just need to know what to buy and what to train. They don't have to be super talented, average talent is good enough. And you don't need to pay a lot of money for coaches.
My team is 2 months younger than yours. For all 15 players that I trained in my team I paid total of 400k euro. Sold 5 for about 4 millions total, the other 10 I still have are now worth about 10 millions total.
You don't need youth school at the beginning, I don't have one yet and I'm fine.
You can have your own philosophy, but it won't change the fact that it's far from being optimal, the sooner you realise that the better it will be for your team.
It's easy to buy juniors for less than 50k euro that will be worth 1-2M euro after one or two seasons of training. You don't compete on market with "big fish", they usually buy top 10% juniors. You can make something useful from average looking juniors, you just need to know what to buy and what to train. They don't have to be super talented, average talent is good enough. And you don't need to pay a lot of money for coaches.
My team is 2 months younger than yours. For all 15 players that I trained in my team I paid total of 400k euro. Sold 5 for about 4 millions total, the other 10 I still have are now worth about 10 millions total.
You don't need youth school at the beginning, I don't have one yet and I'm fine.
You can have your own philosophy, but it won't change the fact that it's far from being optimal, the sooner you realise that the better it will be for your team.
There is no other successful philosophy than spending your time on the market; buy, train, resell, buy higher, train better, resell higher, and again and again, until you reach top level ... Mikoos explain well how the game progression is design : a game of training/trading.
As well, it doesn't matter if your team is full of poor skilled youngs players and you loose all your games first. Training then trading is much more valuable for the business than any game result and profit (ticket stadium, sponsors...) Then after few years (IRL) you can buy better players and being more competitive.
But you can play at your own philosophy, slowly, and keep playing at low level. Its fine too.
A second server is a good idea but only with different rules, like very limited transfer and trading profit. IMO that's main reason why many users stop playing, i am agree with you. (In that case, i will reach a new server and restart to zero with pleasure). But a second server with the same mechanisms will never change the huge gap problem between teams during times.
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As well, it doesn't matter if your team is full of poor skilled youngs players and you loose all your games first. Training then trading is much more valuable for the business than any game result and profit (ticket stadium, sponsors...) Then after few years (IRL) you can buy better players and being more competitive.
But you can play at your own philosophy, slowly, and keep playing at low level. Its fine too.
A second server is a good idea but only with different rules, like very limited transfer and trading profit. IMO that's main reason why many users stop playing, i am agree with you. (In that case, i will reach a new server and restart to zero with pleasure). But a second server with the same mechanisms will never change the huge gap problem between teams during times.
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Yes and even if you sell all of them and buy other players you still cant compete in Liga III or IV in Poland can you...
The game should be more Balance on competing for better results and Training players. It should have more options than sacrifice results to earn money or sacrifice money to get trophy.
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The game should be more Balance on competing for better results and Training players. It should have more options than sacrifice results to earn money or sacrifice money to get trophy.
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It was the devs s plan : a more balanced game and competitive... But they didn't understand the Market / trading dominance. Or perhaps they have understood it, but it was too hard to face the conservatives.
Anyway. The game is the game, just play it or leave it.
Just because a second server could be an escape plan for many things, its a +1 ! for this idea ;-)
Anyway. The game is the game, just play it or leave it.
Just because a second server could be an escape plan for many things, its a +1 ! for this idea ;-)
Problem with the people is that playing for a year, two, three or even more is quite a long time and thats why most of them leave.
And that is a problem you cannot solve with a second server.
Either they stay and really try to build up their team, or they leave.
Fact is that this game IS a long term game.
If you don't like it, devs can do magical changes as much as they want... it still stays a long term game and so the real issue for the quitters isn't solved.
I see a lot of people, specially new players complaining about overpowered teams
And those people are the same kind as the ones that leave, because it's a long term game and they didn't realised it when they signed in.
If they cannot understand that managers who have their team for years are far better, then they are not entitled to complain about ''overpowered'' teams.
But a second server will completely destroy the original game on the long term. Because all new teams are going to choose the new server and the old server will never see any new face again. If you want to grow a game, making a 2nd game in-game isn't the solution.
Devs are working on a definite product which they can promote to attrack new people. The only thing that always work within a long-term game is patience!
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And that is a problem you cannot solve with a second server.
Either they stay and really try to build up their team, or they leave.
Fact is that this game IS a long term game.
If you don't like it, devs can do magical changes as much as they want... it still stays a long term game and so the real issue for the quitters isn't solved.
I see a lot of people, specially new players complaining about overpowered teams
And those people are the same kind as the ones that leave, because it's a long term game and they didn't realised it when they signed in.
If they cannot understand that managers who have their team for years are far better, then they are not entitled to complain about ''overpowered'' teams.
But a second server will completely destroy the original game on the long term. Because all new teams are going to choose the new server and the old server will never see any new face again. If you want to grow a game, making a 2nd game in-game isn't the solution.
Devs are working on a definite product which they can promote to attrack new people. The only thing that always work within a long-term game is patience!
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maybe, ‘maybe’, the massive users who quit the game has understand so much the long term patience :-p
it’s not a second server that could kill a game when only
one main server already loose users years after years.
it’s not a second server that could kill a game when only
one main server already loose users years after years.
But you cannot place the server to blame when it is actually the 10 years of inactivity by the previous devs.
The current devs have loads of work to make the site user friendly. And only after they finish the core of the game, only then there's time for promo. And only after the promo, we, the managers can judge which aspect is making new(er) managers to quit.
Trust me when I say it ain't going to be the server.
The current devs have loads of work to make the site user friendly. And only after they finish the core of the game, only then there's time for promo. And only after the promo, we, the managers can judge which aspect is making new(er) managers to quit.
Trust me when I say it ain't going to be the server.
It is what it is since 17y. with just few reforms, i am ok with you.
But during those years, if the core game was fine enough why the hell users progressively quit the game? Maybe promotion could help to gain, but not retain players. Why we loose so much users during times ?
We got a 'modern" decoration, more 'UX' and mobile interface, a 13w season reform, and plans for young centers and "new" training system. All this new/future features doesn't change the core game, they are built on it. And does it work ? Do sokker gain much new users since ? how many users quit the game since ?
If users has quit the game, maybe it's because of a 'long term' trading/training , the core progression mechanism of this game. When beginners tells you that they didn't like how it work, maybe we should listen, and not explain them how they need to play.
But during those years, if the core game was fine enough why the hell users progressively quit the game? Maybe promotion could help to gain, but not retain players. Why we loose so much users during times ?
We got a 'modern" decoration, more 'UX' and mobile interface, a 13w season reform, and plans for young centers and "new" training system. All this new/future features doesn't change the core game, they are built on it. And does it work ? Do sokker gain much new users since ? how many users quit the game since ?
If users has quit the game, maybe it's because of a 'long term' trading/training , the core progression mechanism of this game. When beginners tells you that they didn't like how it work, maybe we should listen, and not explain them how they need to play.
Yeah, devs should focus on their work updating the game and changing some stuff, but after that, the team for marketing needs to be build and working hard on getting new managers to come & stay.
From advertising, videos, articles, paid promotions etc.
From advertising, videos, articles, paid promotions etc.
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