Subject: [idea] The Hamsters TAX

Witam all,
Grałem kiedyś w Sokkera, odchodziłem i wracałem do niego :)
Po dłuższej przerwie widzę fajne zmiany ;p
Małe ale cieszące oko xD

Wyrównanie transferów moim zdaniem powinno wyglądać nieco inaczej...
Zwrócę uwagę również na mecze towarzyskie;)

Jeśli kod gry/silnik do/możliwość przebijania danych zawodników ograniczał by się względem lig a nie otwartego worka to menadżerom było by trudniej pozyskiwać zawodników...
LIGA I-II
LIGA III-IV
LIGA V-VI
Wartości % od danej ligi/poziomu pkt/wartości doświadczenia (założenie zespołu) itp. miały by fundamentalne znaczenie w kwesti finalnego % za dany transfer który by nie przepadał a przechodził do garnuszka (puli) grup gdzie w finale był by rozdzielony w czasie np. premi posezonowych.
Przykład lig w/w ma charakter poglądowy, (koszyków mogło by być na każdą ligę)...
Przykład
zawodnik klubu KO☠1000 BYŚ DOŁ jest warty 1 mln złotych (1 000 000 pln)
wartość rynku transferowego 1 000 000,00 zł
LIGA I-II 40% 400 000,00 zł
LIGA III-IV 20% 200 000,00 zł
LIGA V-VI 0% - zł
Czyli:
Wartość rynku transferowego wypuszczonego/wylicytowanego przez gracza o wartości 1 mln zł dla najwyżej ligi była by droższa o 40% jeśli zawodnik pochodził by z najniższej dopuszczalnej ligi kraju
LIGA I 50% 10%
LIGA II 40% 20%
LIGA III 30% 30%
LIGA IV 20% 40%
LIGA V 10% 50%
LIGA VI
Jeśli przyjmiemy wartości z w/w to możemy kalibrować to na zasadzie -10% względem ligi
Nadwyżka lub nie dopłata od wartości głównej wpadnie do wspólnego koszyka klubów z danych lig przy wypłatach posezonowych
a np. zakupy w danej lidze mogą zostać zatrzymane (pula) po dokonaniu płatności przez klub macierzysty jak i klub który chce danego zawodnika pozyskać
np.
1 000 000 pln
1. KLUB macierzysty LIGA I (50%)
2. KLUB pozyskujący LIGA V (-50%)
Klub 1. płaci 50% by pula została w lidze
Klub 2. również chce zapłacić 50% by pula pozostała w V lidze
i mamy otwartą licytacje klubów z LIGI I jak i LIGI V by pula 50% wartości zawodnika pozostała w lidze...
Pozwoliło by to na zbilansowanie kwot wartości jakie kluby w danych ligach maja do zaoferowania i urozmaiciło grę.

Jest to tylko przykład jak można aktywować kluby względem dodatkowych zmian...
Mam na względzie ze to musi się opłacić menadżerom danych lig...
Ale jest tyle rozwiązań kosztem niskiego wkładu w "silnik" gry ze na pewno coś ktoś jeszcze by dorzucił...

It's a great idea. People can certainly sit on huge amounts of money, but they need to work harder to keep it there.

Now the amounts of each level, and the % they lose, and the frequency at which they lose it, would all need to be worked out by the devs knowing how much money is in the game, but Its a good idea.

The devs would even know how much money is in the game, and instead of taxing over a certain amount of $$, they could have small, but regular taxes based on where you sit in the game bank account wise. ie top 5% get 1% tax per week, 5-10% get 0.7% tax per week, 10-20% get 0.5% tax per week, 20-50% get 0.2% tax per week, bottom half, no tax. Again just an example, actual levels and % are just to show how it could work

I don't see how is that a good idea.

I sit on a lot of cash, over 120m euro, I have at least another 90m euro in players

If at one point I have over 100m euro in cash and such tax is implemented, then instead of normal youths, I will buy 10 best youngsters that will be available in game to use all the money that can be taxed - to train them and then sell them for even more money than I paid.

There are MANY users that have that kind of money and will do the same so they don't lose their money. How would that be good for the game, in what way would that help, that all top young players would go to those who aren't very interested in the game and just keep their accounts?
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Grow up

I don't know who you are and I don't care for such useless remarks, so go away please and stop wasting my time and yours. Not going to respond to you in future, please don't write again, bye.

i fixed your name in my post apology for mistake was on my phone
rest mods can decide

What's the point of having all that money and you sit since 7 years in the lower divisions?? ... I'm just curious.... What makes you tic?
Your total team value is lower than mine, your team rating is lower than mine.... and you have old players in the team... enjoy your money, what can I say?!
... no disrespect, I just find it boring like that!!!

Nowadays you pay negative interest if you have to much money in the Bank... at least in Germany you do!

To build a top tier team whenever he has the interest in doing so or train the very best trainees all the time to boast in forums. He can choose to play the game as he sees fit.
You can ask the same about what is the point of never striving to get to the top and always keep a middling team that costs money and never achieves anything (not meant about you, but what most of people do).
I really fail to see a point proposed change would achieve other than force money hoarders release it back into economy to increase inflation even further.

It is negativity and insults what keeps him in the office. :)

Nowadays you pay negative interest if you have to much money in the Bank... at least in Germany you do!

Really?
I can see no negative interest in any european country.
Current (nowadays) rate in Germany is 3.5%

It was negative during pandemic times (2019-2021) to boost economy and to rise the inflation.
Banks used negative interest to force people to use/spend/invest their money in the market.

This is logical and that's what xineon is trying to explain to you.
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in Poland the so-called top is achievable only by users who spent some time in lower leagues, hamstering money and young, talented, possibly expensive squad and after they have that all that they start going up in the league structures

then, starting from lower league they have such strong team that the real rivalry they might find while the achieve the top league and possible second from top
that way they kind of break the game for others; too harsh statement probably but I don't know how to put it in better words
and also it's utterly stupid that to reach the top and play as intended for X seasons one have to sacrifice about X times 2 seasons for preparation etc.

anyway, since the top (but in Poland) is seemingly achievable only that way then limiting this way of playing to encourage people to try different approach to reach the top is at least worth consideration

I am not talking that this exact idea is great, but it's worth consideration and with some modifications it might turn out good for the game
I would like to see teams on the top of Polish league which weren't build at the bottom with a purpose to reach the top, and that Polish top should be as achievable for people who endure the urge of so-called reset and always fight for win with resources they have as for those who did the aforementioned "reset" (although I know it might be painful for those who prefer "resets" as the idea will need to make them weaker in some way)

I must agree. Everyone have freedom to play its own way. Taking money away only you have some its not good thing to do. I would be angry when someone take my money just like that after years of gathering it. I noticed only few newcomers staying and playing Sokker after registration ant that's bothering me. I decided to play 3. league and 30-40% of teams are bot clubs. Stadium income is too low. And when they do cut from stadium, then we have really big problem. After one loss, fan mood dropped 6 levels, and next game there were not many spectators there.
Taxes are not even on the list of my troubles. ;)

Edit: and especially richest teams and money they have. I'm focused to make my team better, not to make others weaker.
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What's the point of having all that money and you sit since 7 years in the lower divisions?? ... I'm just curious.... What makes you tic?

Im having this team since 2005, I stopped actively playing around 2015 - my team won Ekstraklasa twice, National Cup twice, got 2nd in Champions Cup, but it was already too old and weak to continue achieving anything and I had no money to improve it, so the only direction was down

I didn't have enough funds and motivation to start over so I just sold everyone and became inactive

After they started "improving" the game I got more interested because it sounded good, bought great youths for future team and trained them for 4 seasons. But the game is changing so slowly that I lost interest again, so generally I'm just training youths, investing and waiting when/if the game gets interesting again.

... no disrespect, I just find it boring like that!!!

well you're quite new here and probably in Romania it's a bit different

in Poland there are LOTS of teams that have 150-200-250 millions euro

this is how top 10 teams in Ekstraklasa play for: [season average, almost all them can reach close to 80 or 80+]

83.0 KS Polonia Skierniewice
81.6 FC Chełmek
80.6 KS Wisła Puławy
79.8 Japanese Futbol
78.6 MOSP Białystok
78.1 Kajoza
77.9 WislaKrakow
77.8 Domik Tuchola
77.7 ASRIM Iskrzynia
77.3 FC Toboł Kostanaj

plus there are at least 10 more teams playing for 77+ in lower leagues than Ekstraklasa + there are even more teams that are improving to reach that level because they have lots of resources available, just need time to go up

so there are three roads in Poland:

a. you're ambitious and want to win something in Poland = you need to gather enough money to be able to do so [enough = at least over 200m euro, and that guarantees nothing]

b. you're not ambitious and you just stay average, playing in higher leagues [2-4] but never having a chance to win any trophy

c. you stay in lower leagues and make money so that you can try to win something in future

I'm on route c., possibly in future will try route a. again, if I have enough resources and motivation

@xineon
Exactly

I understand this point, but this is not a solution for that.
I guess only seperating training from playing time cold solve that as you could both maintain first team and profit from trainees to give less incentive to bottom out, but that would result in same teams staying up top forever instead of rotating like you have now.

fixed Your a, b, c
a. you want to win something in Poland but you're not ambitious, so instead use of talent, skill, dedication etc. you gather enough money to be able to do so [enough = at least over 200m euro, and that guarantees nothing]
b. you want to win something in Poland and you're ambitious so you try to do so by always playing the best you can and trying to achieve success with resources you have, not to "buy it" - which usually ends with playing in higher leagues [2-4] but never having a chance to win any trophy
c. you stay in lower leagues and make money so that you can "buy" a success in future