Subject: [idea] The Hamsters TAX

fixed Your a, b, c
a. you want to win something in Poland but you're not ambitious, so instead use of talent, skill, dedication etc. you gather enough money to be able to do so [enough = at least over 200m euro, and that guarantees nothing]
b. you want to win something in Poland and you're ambitious so you try to do so by always playing the best you can and trying to achieve success with resources you have, not to "buy it" - which usually ends with playing in higher leagues [2-4] but never having a chance to win any trophy
c. you stay in lower leagues and make money so that you can "buy" a success in future

I am not talking that this exact idea is great, but it's worth consideration and with some modifications it might turn out good for the game
I would like to see teams on the top of Polish league which weren't build at the bottom with a purpose to reach the top, and that Polish top should be as achievable for people who endure the urge of so-called reset and always fight for win with resources they have as for those who did the aforementioned "reset" (although I know it might be painful for those who prefer "resets" as the idea will need to make them weaker in some way)

You would need to change the whole game economics to change that and make it workable, including training, stadiums, tickets, sponsors, taxes, wages etc. You would need to create an entirely different game, I think they would destroy sokker if they tried judging by how most of their changes usually backfire and they notice it after long period.

Another problem is that if you made playing at top much more profitable and limit hamstering, then it would possibly [or more likely probably] lead to best/most active managers cementing the top of country for years limiting any possible improvements from lower league/new teams.

And Raul wants exactly the opposite - he wants playing at top to be expensive, so people use all resources fast, get weaker and leave space for people in lower leagues so they can take their position. Of course at first they were saying otherwise, that they want more ambitious teams, but you can't have both and judging by what they write and the changes they make - they clearly want to punish financially those that play at top level.

Btw, what is the longest someone has stayed up in Ekstraklasa without breaks?

a. you want to win something in Poland but you're not ambitious, so instead use of talent, skill, dedication etc. you gather enough money to be able to do so [enough = at least over 200m euro, and that guarantees nothing]

that's ridiculous

dedication = creating resources
lack of dedication = drifting without giving time for training, transfers, just training youths and average players, not making profit on training

skill = what skill, tactics? training? everyone top team has it on similar level, problem is some have more resources and some have less, those that have more resources win trophies

talent = what talent? you don't need talent for this game, you just need to understand the mechanics, it's not hard

b. you want to win something in Poland and you're ambitious so you try to do so by always playing the best you can and trying to achieve success with resources you have, not to "buy it" - which usually ends with playing in higher leagues [2-4] but never having a chance to win any trophy

drifting in average leagues without winning anything for me is not ambitious, sorry

but if there was some budget limit at the bottom wouldn't that help? (though, not sure what to do with users in these leagues already having budget above the limit)

drifting in average leagues without winning anything for me is not ambitious, sorry

choosing an easy way and buying the success is not ambitious for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Btw, what is the longest someone has stayed up in Ekstraklasa without breaks?

hard to say, but I have some different data

there was a team [Marko team] that played in Ekstraklasa for 19 seasons [not all in a row I think, but close], 266 games

...and he only won 1 championship

there were also 2 teams that played in Ekstraklasa for 2 seasons and won 1 championship each as well :P

choosing an easy way and buying the success is not ambitious for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

it's not an easy way if that's required for success, it's literally the only way

unless you give me an example of a team that won Ekstraklasa in last 10 seasons without having a team worth lots of money

btw. you don't buy a success, it merely allows you to compete for it - with others that have teams worth around 200m euro
and there were examples of people who made lots of money and then completely underperformed

but if there was some budget limit at the bottom wouldn't that help? (though, not sure what to do with users in these leagues already having budget above the limit)

such easy fixes won't work... you can always work around such things, if you can stay in 5th you stay there, if you need to stay in 3rd... you will do so, it will just cost more/season = make people gather resources for longer

another way is just by spending more on youths and making profit off youths worth 15m euro not 1.5m euro so you don't have too much cash in the account...

I think dzidzia holds that record, but I don't know the value of it (also not sure if it was him)

I think dzidzia holds that record, but I don't know the value of it (also not sure if it was him)

His history:

lower leagues 2006-2011, then 3rd/2nd
13 seasons in Ekstraklasa, won the league twice
2015 - sold out, went to 2nd league, 3rd league etc.

4 years of gathering resources in lower leagues

02.2019 - promoted to Ekstraklasa
1st
2nd
1st
1st
sold out, went to 2nd league
sold out, went to 3rd league

so yeah, exactly the 'not ambitious' type of manager by your definition :-P
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b. you want to win something in Poland and you're ambitious so you try to do so by always playing the best you can and trying to achieve success with resources you have, not to "buy it" - which usually ends with playing in higher leagues [2-4] but never having a chance to win any trophy


Man, you are playing this game for 17 (!) years and you never even managed to promote to top division.
You call spending most of your life on "always playing the best you can and trying to achieve success" in online game as ambitious way?
I call it a masochism.

so yeah, exactly the 'not ambitious' type of manager by your definition :-P

why You even mention that? he didn't ask about this and I didn't replied suggesting that

so the record is probably 13

Okay, I was just curious. Most likely you will never get the motivation ever again!
I have studied your team's history, I have seen al of that! I have played the game between 2006-2015 so I'm not a complete novice!

On the long run, if the "hamster tax" will be applied it would not be necessary (and also possible ) to wait and gather 200 m to access the first league in Poland because 100 m (for example) will be the maximum you could gather and there will be 50 teams (example again), in the first and second division , at one point at once that will have that amount of money at the same time, so the small details will make the difference! Tactics will play a higher role!

The idea that you have to hibernate 3, 4 years (real life years, after already being 5 years in the game) in the 5th division to be able to access then the 1st League for another 5, 6 seasons ... and then comes another hamster and kicks you out,... because you can not self sustain your team in the 1st league any longer (players got older, the money is gone) is absurd! If 100 m will be the maximum, it would be easier to stay in the 1st League if you are a good tactician, so money alone will no longer be a guarantee to access the 1st League!

We play this way because the system/Devs allow it. I played so many seasons at the lowest division and simultaneously I trained the best players in their age category in the whole game. I just hired the best possible coaches, bought many young prospects and found the best talents among them, played corner tactics, lost all games, and profited. After a few years, I had enough resources to directly promote from 4th to 1st division every season and to comfortably play for a few years in the first division until I decide to repeat the whole process again.
Fun fact: The proposed hamster tax would never affect me
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They are limiting players skills on the long run.
Lowering income from spectators.
I'm interested how would be my Team affected from Hamster Tax? It changes nothing at all for 99% of Sokker community. To pile up the money, you need to be reaaally long in game, lack of interest/priorities in real life are another problem and people shouldn't be punished for it. I faced it too.
They gathered money from selling players and didn't get it for free. I guarantee many of us have at least 4-5 Poland players in the team. We made them rich. :)

You are right, for the vast majority of teams it will not make any difference at first, but I think on the long run managers around the whole world could benefit (at least at this stage this is what I think, I could be wrong). If a certain maximum ceiling is set (you can go over it but it gets severely taxed every week so it's not worth it), it could mean that there will also be more equally strong teams around the world to compete in the Champions Cup! Competition in the first 2, 3 Leagues could be stronger and more tactics oriented (team's values closer to eachother). Making players worse is a bad idea... increasing superstar players salaries to 200m/year , like Ronaldo has, would have made more sense (but only after they get transferred, superstars only get absurd high contracts when changing clubs. So a new , poor, club can train a player to superstar level)!