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Pantws o idios o τιτλος ειναι προσβλητικος...καιμονο σαν τιτλος...για την ελλαδα...οποτεγιατι δεν το κλεινετε το τοπικ!?
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Pantws o idios o τιτλος ειναι προσβλητικος...καιμονο σαν τιτλος...για την ελλαδα...οποτεγιατι δεν το κλεινετε το τοπικ!?
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Grow up! You still think this thread is a contest or argument between Israel and Greece. This was meant as a discussion about bad mix-up of sports and politics,... you want to pick a fight go elsewhere.
we have nothing to seporate ..we are friends....all the humans...all over the world...!
ok,I think too that sports should never be involved in politics and vice-versa.
but said ''israelcan do many things wrong or right, but that should never influence its athletes,''
well are you sure?
could you read the article ''Fight like in Gaza'' http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1074326.html
On Wednesday, a military affairs correspondent for the daily Yedioth Ahronoth - yes, he, not a sports reporter - published an exclusive item on the news pages: The commander of the Givati Brigade will be giving pep talks to Israel's national soccer team before the game against Greece. In recent weeks, coaches have been looking for a senior commander who fought in the Gaza Strip.
....."Malka intends to speak with the players about the significance of the crucial game and about how the eyes of the nation of Israel are upon them," the reporter said, citing what Malka had told him. "He will demand of the players that they correct the mistakes of the past, just as he demanded of his soldiers that they correct the shortcomings of the Second Lebanon War - because just like in the battles in Gaza, they will not get a second chance. Fight like lions. You are representing something far greater than just a soccer match."
"It should be noted," the reporter then added on his own behalf, "that Malka sees a similarity between the role of a combat officer and the role of a team coach when it comes to preparations for a game or a battle."
This, in a nutshell, was the briefing by the colonel-golem who sees a soccer match as war and war as a soccer match. In both of these tests, "the eyes of the nation of Israel are upon them," and so forth.
And why should the coaches - two Olympic Village idiots - content themselves with pep talks from the acclaimed commander? Why not get help from the chief military rabbi, who has a reputation as a serious force multiplier? He will equate the match to the war between the Maccabees and the Greeks, giving it a religious, faith-based dimension and historic depth, and thereby transform it into a divinely ordained war, a jihad.
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but said ''israelcan do many things wrong or right, but that should never influence its athletes,''
well are you sure?
could you read the article ''Fight like in Gaza'' http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1074326.html
On Wednesday, a military affairs correspondent for the daily Yedioth Ahronoth - yes, he, not a sports reporter - published an exclusive item on the news pages: The commander of the Givati Brigade will be giving pep talks to Israel's national soccer team before the game against Greece. In recent weeks, coaches have been looking for a senior commander who fought in the Gaza Strip.
....."Malka intends to speak with the players about the significance of the crucial game and about how the eyes of the nation of Israel are upon them," the reporter said, citing what Malka had told him. "He will demand of the players that they correct the mistakes of the past, just as he demanded of his soldiers that they correct the shortcomings of the Second Lebanon War - because just like in the battles in Gaza, they will not get a second chance. Fight like lions. You are representing something far greater than just a soccer match."
"It should be noted," the reporter then added on his own behalf, "that Malka sees a similarity between the role of a combat officer and the role of a team coach when it comes to preparations for a game or a battle."
This, in a nutshell, was the briefing by the colonel-golem who sees a soccer match as war and war as a soccer match. In both of these tests, "the eyes of the nation of Israel are upon them," and so forth.
And why should the coaches - two Olympic Village idiots - content themselves with pep talks from the acclaimed commander? Why not get help from the chief military rabbi, who has a reputation as a serious force multiplier? He will equate the match to the war between the Maccabees and the Greeks, giving it a religious, faith-based dimension and historic depth, and thereby transform it into a divinely ordained war, a jihad.
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No offence but your coach and the chairman are both idiots....
I can't believe that the coach after the 2nd game said that the israeli team was better....
I can't believe that the coach after the 2nd game said that the israeli team was better....
@nikko – The Israeli team coach IS an idiot, but not because he said that. He is probably the worst coach our national team ever had and unfortunately we can’t get rid of him. He is the laughing stock of the media here in Israel too and no, absolutely no one likes what he did with the team. We have the best cadre in many years with many talents, yet he invited only half to play for the NT and even then made some very strange choices in selection and during the game. However… if the Greek team has any aspirations to win anything in the next phases, they would have to do far far better than the mediocre show they gave against Israel. There were long minutes in the game that Greece was held back by a weak Israeli team and that will not be enough further on.
@makedon – You started with a great argument and towards the end deteriorated into slight insults and provocation, but you made a point and I will give you all the respect by answering to the best of my ability.
1. Here in Israel everyone serves in the army. Not only the compulsory 3 years after high school, but for men, it is 2-4 weeks every year until the age of 45. It might not look it, but our regular army is tiny and has to deal with threats on many fronts, so the reserve army is composed of everyone. Once or twice a year every man is called to serve in his reserve unit and contribute to the maintenance of our safety. This means, that our NT football players do the same, as well as every professional, business man, shop-keeper, husband, father and all. If the NT coach is young enough he is also called in. So it is possible that the NT coach would be taking some very harsh orders from one of his players, who is higher ranked than him during the military reserve period.
Today I’m your boss at work, telling you to do and maybe even being angry with you for messing up a client of our business and tomorrow, you are my officer in the army and lead me into a fight or order me to grease the tank. This creates a very special relationship between people as the entire nation is composed of the real people’s army. Everyone in Israel is equal and this is why we have no nobility titles and most of our leaders in politics or business or academy are called by their first, private name.
This is why the Commander of the Givati Brigade is just one other person from our society, is not considered to be a “military specialist” and next month he could be the gardener of the NT football stadium. He was not called to lecture because he is a military leader but because he is a leader and a manager and considered to be a professional motivator in his field of work. It would not make the headlines if he was a prominent businessman right? So for us it is nothing special.
For example, I am a reserve Captain and also a Judo coach. The fact that I am in the military reserve like any other person in Israel does not disqualify me from talking to my Judo students or any other group.
For us a military position is just another aspect of life, not a very pleasant one, but one we all do because we must. So your analogy is not accurate or sound.
Plus, don’t be a hypocrite! If the Greek army general would come to speak/lecture the Greek NT for motivation, no one would accuse him or the NT for mixing politics and sports. No one in Israel would dare connect a Greek general talking to the NT football to the way Greece managed it’s affairs in Cyprus against Turkey, because these are separate things.
Each and every civilian loves his country and tries to motivate his NT players, especially if he is a (current) public figure, be it mayor of a city, military commander, famous university professor or anything else.
2. Your second point regarding the military rabbi or the Greek-Macabbean war is utterly silly and more so inanely provocative. Do you wish to hear stories about the Greek-Orthodox church in this context? Of course not, because it is not related and also I would not try to connect them together like you did. Your last paragraph simply lacks an argument and if you examine the facts both historical and present, you will find that it doesn’t do you any good. You lost that war!
You and apparently another of your racist colleagues (Jimceasar) - who talked about Asian people as being barbaric, or now you mixing religion into this whole debate - turn out looking rather unconvincing, relaying on some inexplicable superiority complex and ignorance regarding basic regional knowledge. So it turns out that while you did some research regarding the football game, basically, you are still falling short in this debate just trying to pick a fight like another child (O_EVLOGHTOS) who needs lots of capital letters to be noticed.
No one here in Israel - and I’m quite certain in most parts of Greek society too - pretends to be perfect, knowing everything or being right the whole time, but it seems that in both places ignorance, racism and young age have very big mouths attached to them.
@makedon – You started with a great argument and towards the end deteriorated into slight insults and provocation, but you made a point and I will give you all the respect by answering to the best of my ability.
1. Here in Israel everyone serves in the army. Not only the compulsory 3 years after high school, but for men, it is 2-4 weeks every year until the age of 45. It might not look it, but our regular army is tiny and has to deal with threats on many fronts, so the reserve army is composed of everyone. Once or twice a year every man is called to serve in his reserve unit and contribute to the maintenance of our safety. This means, that our NT football players do the same, as well as every professional, business man, shop-keeper, husband, father and all. If the NT coach is young enough he is also called in. So it is possible that the NT coach would be taking some very harsh orders from one of his players, who is higher ranked than him during the military reserve period.
Today I’m your boss at work, telling you to do and maybe even being angry with you for messing up a client of our business and tomorrow, you are my officer in the army and lead me into a fight or order me to grease the tank. This creates a very special relationship between people as the entire nation is composed of the real people’s army. Everyone in Israel is equal and this is why we have no nobility titles and most of our leaders in politics or business or academy are called by their first, private name.
This is why the Commander of the Givati Brigade is just one other person from our society, is not considered to be a “military specialist” and next month he could be the gardener of the NT football stadium. He was not called to lecture because he is a military leader but because he is a leader and a manager and considered to be a professional motivator in his field of work. It would not make the headlines if he was a prominent businessman right? So for us it is nothing special.
For example, I am a reserve Captain and also a Judo coach. The fact that I am in the military reserve like any other person in Israel does not disqualify me from talking to my Judo students or any other group.
For us a military position is just another aspect of life, not a very pleasant one, but one we all do because we must. So your analogy is not accurate or sound.
Plus, don’t be a hypocrite! If the Greek army general would come to speak/lecture the Greek NT for motivation, no one would accuse him or the NT for mixing politics and sports. No one in Israel would dare connect a Greek general talking to the NT football to the way Greece managed it’s affairs in Cyprus against Turkey, because these are separate things.
Each and every civilian loves his country and tries to motivate his NT players, especially if he is a (current) public figure, be it mayor of a city, military commander, famous university professor or anything else.
2. Your second point regarding the military rabbi or the Greek-Macabbean war is utterly silly and more so inanely provocative. Do you wish to hear stories about the Greek-Orthodox church in this context? Of course not, because it is not related and also I would not try to connect them together like you did. Your last paragraph simply lacks an argument and if you examine the facts both historical and present, you will find that it doesn’t do you any good. You lost that war!
You and apparently another of your racist colleagues (Jimceasar) - who talked about Asian people as being barbaric, or now you mixing religion into this whole debate - turn out looking rather unconvincing, relaying on some inexplicable superiority complex and ignorance regarding basic regional knowledge. So it turns out that while you did some research regarding the football game, basically, you are still falling short in this debate just trying to pick a fight like another child (O_EVLOGHTOS) who needs lots of capital letters to be noticed.
No one here in Israel - and I’m quite certain in most parts of Greek society too - pretends to be perfect, knowing everything or being right the whole time, but it seems that in both places ignorance, racism and young age have very big mouths attached to them.
i cannot read all this!!!
please show mercy!:p
tell me one page to translate it please!:p
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please show mercy!:p
tell me one page to translate it please!:p
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not only pick a fight but im racist too?well put the blame on Yossi Sarid ,he wrote the ironic comment''the Greek-Macabbean war '' and just gave a resume of his article
who knows maybe he is right about your country ,in his article said ''''Now it is official: The country has gone crazy.''
as for as The Orthodox Church
the late Archbishop Damaskinos embraced his suffering Jewish fellow citizens with affection during the dark period of the Occupation of our country by the German troops and saved many of them. Moreover, his heart did not bear the injustice and he protested vehemently to the Nazi authorities of Athens, thus putting his own life in immediate danger. Tellingly, in the very interesting volume “The Holocaust of Greek Jews” published in 2006 by the Central Board of the Jewish Communities in Greece in collaboration with the General Secretariat of Youth, we read:
“The Orthodox Church took an active stance in favour of Jews under the enlightened guidance of the Archbishop of Athens Damaskinos. In a confidential circular letter to all churches, he urged the priests and the faithful to offer every assistance to the persecuted Jews.”
In many areas, local hierarchs such as Gregorios of Halkis, Ioakeim of Demetrias, Ghennadios of Thessaloniki, acted together with their priests for the salvation of Jews and resistance fighters and hostages running the utmost danger.
More specifically, when the late Archbishop was informed of the beginning of persecutions against the Jews of Greece, he asked to see the Plenipotentiary of the Third Reich for Greece, Günther von Altenburg, to whom he expressed the discontent of the Greek people at those persecutions. As is known, the Nazi Occupation authorities decreed that all Jews of foreign nationality residing in Greece should move, within specified times, to the countries of their respective nationalities. However, as regarded Greek Jews, the measure provided for their mass transfer to Poland.
also The Archbishop, in collaboration with the brave Chief of the Police of Athens, Anghelos Evert, and the equally brave General Director of the Administrative Services of the Municipality of Athens, P. Haldezos, saved hundreds of Jews by “baptizing” them Christians on paper and by asking Haldezos to issue municipality certificates and Evert to sign false identity cards, on which the indication “Orthodox Christian” misleadingly appeared as the religion of the Jewish applicants.
who knows maybe he is right about your country ,in his article said ''''Now it is official: The country has gone crazy.''
as for as The Orthodox Church
the late Archbishop Damaskinos embraced his suffering Jewish fellow citizens with affection during the dark period of the Occupation of our country by the German troops and saved many of them. Moreover, his heart did not bear the injustice and he protested vehemently to the Nazi authorities of Athens, thus putting his own life in immediate danger. Tellingly, in the very interesting volume “The Holocaust of Greek Jews” published in 2006 by the Central Board of the Jewish Communities in Greece in collaboration with the General Secretariat of Youth, we read:
“The Orthodox Church took an active stance in favour of Jews under the enlightened guidance of the Archbishop of Athens Damaskinos. In a confidential circular letter to all churches, he urged the priests and the faithful to offer every assistance to the persecuted Jews.”
In many areas, local hierarchs such as Gregorios of Halkis, Ioakeim of Demetrias, Ghennadios of Thessaloniki, acted together with their priests for the salvation of Jews and resistance fighters and hostages running the utmost danger.
More specifically, when the late Archbishop was informed of the beginning of persecutions against the Jews of Greece, he asked to see the Plenipotentiary of the Third Reich for Greece, Günther von Altenburg, to whom he expressed the discontent of the Greek people at those persecutions. As is known, the Nazi Occupation authorities decreed that all Jews of foreign nationality residing in Greece should move, within specified times, to the countries of their respective nationalities. However, as regarded Greek Jews, the measure provided for their mass transfer to Poland.
also The Archbishop, in collaboration with the brave Chief of the Police of Athens, Anghelos Evert, and the equally brave General Director of the Administrative Services of the Municipality of Athens, P. Haldezos, saved hundreds of Jews by “baptizing” them Christians on paper and by asking Haldezos to issue municipality certificates and Evert to sign false identity cards, on which the indication “Orthodox Christian” misleadingly appeared as the religion of the Jewish applicants.
This is all very nice but where did I mention the Greek Orthodox church in WWII? I didn't make that connection. I was talking about connecting them in general to things done in Greek history or especially in Israel today.
I will repeat every post I make to say that whether you or others don't like it, I consider myself a friend of Greece. I probably appreciate this country more than some of you, even though I was not born there. Nowhere in my posts I mean to degrade or insult the Greek nation or the country.
In one of my previous jobs, I was the VP of Business Development in the Israel Export Institute and signed the papers to join Israel and Greece in a special business collaboration deal.
On the other hand, I take very seriously people talking about the war in Gaza or our situation with the Palestinians which is based on misleading media reports and popular, sometimes slightly racist views of Israel. This was totally not the intention of this debate and it's not going places I intended it to go. But that doesn't mean I will sit quietly and allow anyone to badmouth my country.
If you ask me about something you read in Israeli papers I will gladly answer or give you my view, but provocation is not the way to do it.
I wish all Greek people joy and happiness and only that we grow closer, even through sports and trade and culture exchange rather than through slinging popular mud at each other in forums.
I will repeat every post I make to say that whether you or others don't like it, I consider myself a friend of Greece. I probably appreciate this country more than some of you, even though I was not born there. Nowhere in my posts I mean to degrade or insult the Greek nation or the country.
In one of my previous jobs, I was the VP of Business Development in the Israel Export Institute and signed the papers to join Israel and Greece in a special business collaboration deal.
On the other hand, I take very seriously people talking about the war in Gaza or our situation with the Palestinians which is based on misleading media reports and popular, sometimes slightly racist views of Israel. This was totally not the intention of this debate and it's not going places I intended it to go. But that doesn't mean I will sit quietly and allow anyone to badmouth my country.
If you ask me about something you read in Israeli papers I will gladly answer or give you my view, but provocation is not the way to do it.
I wish all Greek people joy and happiness and only that we grow closer, even through sports and trade and culture exchange rather than through slinging popular mud at each other in forums.
you said''Do you wish to hear stories about the Greek-Orthodox church in this context? ''
and just wrote a story of our common past
about gaza
is fact 1.5 million Palestinians trapped in the Gaza Strip
the constant bombardment is a collective punishment that will only feed anger and extremism.Am i wromg?
your leader wanna cancel Annapolis peace process and i wonder why?
let me concerned too about the many innocent Israelis who live along the border with Gaza and must suffer through and after the constant bombardment
and just wrote a story of our common past
about gaza
is fact 1.5 million Palestinians trapped in the Gaza Strip
the constant bombardment is a collective punishment that will only feed anger and extremism.Am i wromg?
your leader wanna cancel Annapolis peace process and i wonder why?
let me concerned too about the many innocent Israelis who live along the border with Gaza and must suffer through and after the constant bombardment
άντε ρε με το γίδι ασχολείσται...είναι δυνατόν;αξία του δίνετε..
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I hadnt read anything from previous statements.
heres my position.
I believe israel is a bright living light of civilization in the middle of darkskin bath-enemies shepars.
thank you.
heres my position.
I believe israel is a bright living light of civilization in the middle of darkskin bath-enemies shepars.
thank you.