Subject: Hellas - India

Good draw, considering how it came...
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Efficacious Indian defense and good attack movements (advantaged by the bad Greek defense, lined in a very terrible way), but... what about your midfielders?
Six defenders, two strikers and in the wide middle... two sad lonely men searching for an identity. Vinit is my favourite, but it's too much for him too!
:-)

I was waiting for your comment....
And again criticism. Why are you putting the tactics down, when we made a great result against a much stronger team ? Seeing the amount of clear chances, we could have won this one.

Playing with more defensive players against a stronger team isn't that bad, India can't have all midfielders up front, we will be overrun by the stronger strikers of the opponent. If that opponent plays with wingers, we have cover, I guess you don't understand ever played on the highest level.

Should I take someone seriously who is playing in the bottom regions of the Italian leagues ? You don't even play friendlies, so what is your idea in Sokker anyway ? Someone who isn't even interested in the development/training of his own team is no suitable NT manager. I think you are wasting your and my time.
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Why so little polite reply to a critique?
Probably because you know that Alienomo's words are rights.

Your tactics with six defenders, deployed so low is a clear suicide.
In the match against Brazil this tactic has resulted in our door six goals in sixty minutes.

Fortune has greatly helped with Greece, but the numbers do not lie and your management has been unsuccessful.
India is a good team, at the same level of Australia and Island and the fifth place in the group is a very bad result.

1. Hellas 22
2. Brasil 21
3. Australia 12
4. Ísland 10
5. India 5
6. U.A.E. 0

Your observations on the expertise of Alienomo are superficial.
It' s wrong to judge a person from the series in which he plays .
Also your personal team seems to be very poor ....

Alienomo is known as one of the greatest tacticians in Italy.
The fact that it does not operate a team in the Italian first division is because he is not interested in the managerial side of this game.

Ale70 (Italian coach of Romania recently winner of the world championship) wins his title while he plays in Italian third league.

Try to organize a friendly with Alienomo and deploy your squad as deploy the Indian national ...
Meanwhile, I'm going to buy an abacus.....

Aha, he brought in reïnforcements. Can't speak for himself I guess.
I brought in arguments for playing with 2 wide defending midfielders (NOT defenders, so what are you talking about ?). If you say the draw against Greece was lucky, you didn't watch the game. India was the better team in great parts of the game missing at least 5 one-on-one chances. Sure Greece had chances also, but with such strong strikers (who run through defenders) that can be expected.

He is in Sokker for 7 years and has no results whatsoever, playing in the lowest Italian League, not training players..... what is his plan and where are his credentials ?
I have won the Dutch Cup and played in the highest level several years, now I have chosen to focus on training strikers, to come back stronger and play on the highest level again. Have been part of the Dutch NT crew, even managed the Dutch NT when no one was willing to take on the task in the Netherlands (with pain in my heart I had to abandon India for one season).

Just looking to take over a NT by saying the current India's place in the group isn't very good is very superficial in my eyes. Especially after a great draw against the number 1 in the group.
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In Italy we say: "Patience is the virtue of the strong ones"... obviously not in English speaking... :-) Now I definitely know that you are not strong. Ahahah, I'm joking!
Sorry, but you weren't so hurry to reply to my mail and now you can't wait one day for my answer? As you see, I don't hide myself, I'm here to reply to you after only one day.
You seem very hungry with me and I sincerely don't know why. Probably you are not used to criticism, but only to silence or praises. It's a pity, because critiques are useful to grow...
Inter alia, I congratulated you for the draw and the defensive and offensive movements: the only criticism that I made is the lack of midfield.

Why are you putting the tactics down, when we made a great result against a much stronger team? Seeing the amount of clear chances, we could have won this one.

I think that the strongness of a team isn't based only on its players quality, but on its coach's ability too. Greece defense, as I just wrote, wasn't lined well and you could take more advantage of this, but you were too busy to destroy the opponent's game, rather than to build yours with a well-balanced tactic.

I guess you don't understand ever played on the highest level. Should I take someone seriously who is playing in the bottom regions of the Italian leagues ? I think you are wasting your and my time.

Sorry for my ignorance, I bow to your obnipotence... but I'll continue to write comments on the Indian matches. Only to give my opinion. And to bring back to life this forum, really too silent for a community and unattractive for eventual new Indian users.

You don't even play friendlies, so what is your idea in Sokker anyway ? Someone who isn't even interested in the development/training of his own team is no suitable NT manager.

I think that Sokker is the best game ever, but my challenge has always been trying to win without changing my way of see things in the reality. So I have always voluntarily renounced some advantages, such as maniacal players' trading and maniacal players' training. I want that my boys have fun, become friends and don't stress too much...
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Sometimes they mail me... and I answer in really short time!!!
I joke, don't get hungry.

I brought in arguments for playing with 2 wide defending midfielders (NOT defenders, so what are you talking about ?)

Players who never go out from their half are called defenders...

If you say the draw against Greece was lucky, you didn't watch the game.

Greece received a red card in the first half, missed a penalty and took a cross; India scored a last-minute goal. Mmm... who was lucky?
I'm not saying that India didn't have good opportunities, because it isn't true: the Greek defense was lined very bad and you offensively did what you may do. But the Greek strikers have passed anyway through the Indian defensive line, so what were six defenders when the midfield was crying?

He is in Sokker for 7 years and has no results whatsoever, playing in the lowest Italian League, not training players..... what is his plan and where are his credentials ?

Seven is the perfect number, don't you know? However, I'm not in the lowest Italian League. My credentials... Watch my matches (not the easier ones, of course) and have fun!
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Jesus and Gandhi had no credentials, but they were successfull. Obviously I don't want to compare myself to those great men. It's only to say that credentials aren't the one thing to consider.

I have won the Dutch Cup and played in the highest level several years, now I have chosen to focus on training strikers, to come back stronger and play on the highest level again. Have been part of the Dutch NT crew, even managed the Dutch NT when no one was willing to take on the task in the Netherlands (with pain in my heart I had to abandon India for one season).

So is it your decision to fall in the lowest Dutch League? In order to train strikers? I see that I'm not the only one to have fun in his own way...
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See you soon!

A lot of big words, some false assumptions, a lot of changing things around in your own benefit. You are only emphasising the impression I had from you from the beginning. You are no suitable NT manager.

Your idea about Sokker is funny, I admire you for still believing in such values. But the real world is different, maybe you feel better in a controlled economy ? A communist Sokker regime ?
Are you serious when you say you don't play in the lowest league and I am ? In both Italy and Holland there is one lower league. Besides that there is also the difference that in Italy there are less active managers in that lower league.

But lets get into the actual tactics of Sokker, the other stuff is just blabla, who has the greatest cock ;) (and we all know the Italians, haha).
From your comments on midfield positions and defenders I make it you don't have any idea how to play the strong international teams, if you may notice you hardly get a chance to move out of your own half, so your idea is to put all midfielders in the opponents half ?
It reminds me of watching a game kids, all running towards the goal when the goalkeeper's opponent has the ball ;)

Let me make it clear, I was assuming you know it as such experienced manager;) :
When playing stronger teams you are under pressure a lot. If you choose to play with a tight line of four and 2 midfielders covering the wing you have a good chance of covering the attcking players of the opponent. The only risk you face then is that their strikers "run" through your defenders (because of their superior strength, 3x superdivine strikers vs divine/unearthly defenders ). And offcourse there is the risk of the "through ball", but if you watch India's game, then you have seen that is our strength. India doesn't have 3x (super)divine strikers and the best way to create chances is on the counterattck. Not facing Brasilian or even Greek defenders head to head. You are slamming the Greek defense, but you don't think it has anything to do with the positions of the India strikers and midfielders (who give "through" passes from defensive midfield) ?

Sure there are many other ways to face stronger teams, but its not very wise to let the wings open.
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A lot of big words

Thank you! I use Google Translate...
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a lot of changing things around in your own benefit. You are only emphasising the impression I had from you from the beginning. You are no suitable NT manager.

It's not for your own benefit that you say that I'm not suitable... right?
:-D

Are you serious when you say you don't play in the lowest league and I am ? In both Italy and Holland there is one lower league. Besides that there is also the difference that in Italy there are less active managers in that lower league.

Are we playing at "Who has it longer?". Well, let me see yours! :-)
I already said that curriculum is not the only thing to consider...

From your comments on midfield positions and defenders I make it you don't have any idea how to play the strong international teams, if you may notice you hardly get a chance to move out of your own half, so your idea is to put all midfielders in the opponents half ?

Midfield: a little in a half, a little in the other half... In your opinion, is it all black or white? That's why you don't use midfield, ahahah!

When playing stronger teams you are under pressure a lot.

Sure, if you don't have midfielders who filter and build! You prefer the destruction of the opponent's game to the construction of yours. If there's no midfield, it's obvious that the opponents are always in in your half! In my opinion, this way of playing shows little personality and courage... and it's not funny.

the best way to create chances is on the counterattck.

Now I'm confused... Who is the Italian and who the Dutch?
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Not facing Brasilian or even Greek defenders head to head.

I didn't say this. I only think that, with a more various game, you would have been able to get around the opponent defense avoiding the head to head. I do it with my club.

You are slamming the Greek defense, but you don't think it has anything to do with the positions of the India strikers and midfielders (who give "through" passes from defensive midfield) ?

Please, don't talk of midfielders: you don't know what they are... :-p
Back serious, do you mean that the Greek defense was lined up well? I just congratulated you for your striker's position, but you can't make me change idea on the very bad Greek defense (too much defenders, men taken away from the midfield, and lined up badly too!!!).

Sure there are many other ways to face stronger teams, but its not very wise to let the wings open.

All that you lose here, you gain there. It's a game of balance.

Unfortunately Sokker isn't like real football, where attacking play is rewarded (f.e. Barcelona). It looks like the SK-developers have looked a lot at the Italian way of thinking to play out of defense.

The Greek defense showed some holes, I agree. But some of them were created by the changing position of the Indian strikers. Their nr 5 was running out of line with the others by his lower teamwork (being transferred not long ago).
I'm glad I fielded defensive midfielders to cut off their wing (you never know if a right or left winger is playing, so I had to field two of them). And as you are carp on everything, you must get your facts right: all midfielders did cross the midway line ;). If you place your midfield too attacking, too much behind the strikers, the midfielders could face defenders to early or you lose the opportunity of a through ball. Or am I now giving away too much home truths ?

Still I get the impression you think that every Brasilian/Greek NT player is equal to the India's NT players. If you are searching for duels in midfield against stronger NT's, 9 out of 10 you loose (Vinit was a pleasant exception this time, but he has been injured a lot and I assure you he isn't so good in every match). Its better to face them more defensively, so they encounter head on, not tackling from behind, that is without a chance and with big risk of red cards.

Maybe it's an idea to get promoted to higher leagues and face tougher opponents ? Winning each game 11-0 is not much fun and certainly not good for getting used to the tactics of an underdog (or even against equal teams).
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Well ... Alienomo & De Generaal
Thanks for your posts .... this thread is very funny.

Sometimes happens that after a furious quarrel, borns friendship or more ....
Spring is coming ...... let that your feelings run!
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P.S.
Really ... dimensions aren't so important , or so tell always your women

Unfortunately Sokker isn't like real football, where attacking play is rewarded (f.e. Barcelona). It looks like the SK-developers have looked a lot at the Italian way of thinking to play out of defense.

I want to believe! (soundtrack of "X-Files" playing in the background)
:-)
However I'm not for an attacking nor for a defending game: I'm just for a balanced play.

The Greek defense showed some holes, I agree. But some of them were created by the changing position of the Indian strikers. Their nr 5 was running out of line with the others by his lower teamwork (being transferred not long ago).

The Greek defense WAS a hole and stop. The Indian strikers were ok.

And as you are carp

I'm not a carp! I'm a man like you! Stop insulting me!
:-D

you must get your facts right: all midfielders did cross the midway line

Yes, it was when the teams changed side between the first and the second half, I remember... Even the goalkeeper crossed the midway line, and in that precise moment I thought: "This Dutch is crazy! What is he doing?!"

If you place your midfield too attacking,

What are we talking about? Midfielders are not strikers and not defenders: they should stay in the middle (midfielders -> middle), in order to adequately connect defense and attack.

Or am I now giving away too much home truths ?
The truth is out there... (soundtrack of "X-Files" playing in the background)
:-)

Still I get the impression you think that every Brasilian/Greek NT player is equal to the India's NT players. If you are searching for duels in midfield against stronger NT's, 9 out of 10 you loose (Vinit was a pleasant exception this time, but he has been injured a lot and I assure you he isn't so good in every match). Its better to face them more defensively, so they encounter head on, not tackling from behind, that is without a chance and with big risk of red cards.

I don't think that every Brasilian/Greek NT player is equal to the India's NT players. However, what duel are you talking about? Greeks, too, didn't have midfielders. The midfield was completely empty, as it is most of the time, because most of the sokker coaches have your way of thinking. Counter-attack against counter-attack, what a nice game! In the middle... nothing.

Maybe it's an idea to get promoted to higher leagues and face tougher opponents ? Winning each game 11-0 is not much fun and certainly not good for getting used to the tactics of an underdog (or even against equal teams).

Arriving fifth in the world cup qualification group isn't that fun, too... Maybe that with my underdog tactic you'd do better than this.

The Greeks weren't counterattacking.

But I take from now on we keep repeating our views, you are still riding the same horses of no midfield, fifth in the group and Greek holes. Copying my post and reacting surely helps if you also read what I'm saying. We cant do anything with only shallow remarks.
I'm also waiting on tactical views from your side, because a bit of defend and attack is far to general. It's time to put words into action, dude ;)

The Greeks weren't counterattacking.

Ok, we saw different matches.

It's time to put words into action, dude ;)

I put words into action every sunday, dude...3
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Playing with a high defense (playing on offside more or less) and a winger certainly isn't a counterattacking tactic. By circumstance that winger was covered by a midfielder (who you call a defender).

For your info, India played in blue, lol.

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Sorry, I couldn't help looking at your match from last Sunday. I'm still laughing, it looks lik a children's playground all running around senseless, bwahaha. You are in SK for 7 years ? With all respect, this must be a joke. The Christmas tree at the beginning, you are really funny ! The funny part is that it's the best tactics of all, after the kick off it looks like a mess, players running up and forth. They must have superdivine stamina ;)

Now I understand you don't know sh*t about tactics, me trying to explain it to (what I thought) someone who was more or less a capable tactician, makes me feel stupid now ;)

What system is it, 2-7-1 , or better 2-0-8 ? You really will make a good impression on NT level with this. Even the smallest countries will have chances against you, you are a very generous guy ;)
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Wow, you're unbeatable...

... in arrogance.
:-p

Thanks, I must have Italian blood ;)