Subject: New Look Malaysia Team

I agree on what you say.

I believe continuity will help much. Experience coach without giving time to do what they want to do is not so good. Less experience coach with more time for them to experiment, might get better result.

Just theory. But changing coach every season do not help, as far as I concern. I believe choose for 1 coach that is very suitable, give him 2 to 3 seasons, and judge him on the actual result, friendly game is just to experiment.

But the candidates must be very suitable for this to work.

Round 1:
Ecuador - Malaysia 2:1

Round 2:
Ecuador - Türkiye 0:9

Round 3:
New Zealand - Ecuador 3:0

Round 4:
Danmark - Ecuador 13:0

Round 5:
Ecuador - Italia 0:10

Round 6:
Italia - Ecuador 14:0

Round 7:
Ecuador - Danmark 0:12

Round 8:
Ecuador - New Zealand 0:5


Malaysia match so far are as at above. And also 2 friendly match, lose 1-2 to Portugal and lose 1-3 to India.


If you analyse properly, only Round 1, he make a mistake losing to Ecuador, where we can get better result. But this is his first game, first time know the players and first tactic against experience Ecuador coach. And he already apologise for it.

The rest of the games, we will not win, even with experienced coach, although, with better defensive position, will reduce the margin. Even the experience coach will not win the matches, because we are outclassed, our defence pace are less superior to the opponents striker pace. National defenders do not have high technique too, not more than very good, how to fight opponents striker brilliant and above technique.

Involvement of users to train pace for our NT coach are more important here. Unfortunately, only one serious national trainer for defender as far as I concern, and that also he knew the real meaning of training, this week. I liase with the trainers and have discussion with him on the trainings this week, and he will continue training better defender for NT. And he only have week coach as the main coach.

Imagine the only Malaysian users that train defender have week coach until 2 days ago. This scenario happen. He supply 2 national defender in the current NT team, the rest are above 23 players and some recently train by overseas users.

And if you judge the other 2 friendly games, then it is not too fair. On my knowledge, and as at football reality, friendly match is to experiment new players and new tactics. Judging one capability by a friendly game is not too fair.


So, are we realistic by calling the head coach tactically incapable, as what he did is just lose us an important first match?

I wish some of you all have the chance to see the statistic of our NT defenders and if you know roughtly what our opponents strikers statistics are, you will see there are at least 6-7 level difference in pace and technique.

Strategy, tactic, positioning will only work if the difference is only 2-3 level.

Is the problem here is the experience coach? I would say no much difference the gap is too much, for any coach to do anything.

The issue here is we need a person that can coordinate the development plan of Malaysian players. If only he can do this as in the election speech, I would say we are improving and on the right track.

People like albany do so much for the training of MY sokker, he is the only the serious GK trainers from Malaysia. Hope to get more users like him.

Just for your info, before NT coach take over, we have a big problem on DEF and MID. Strikers and goalkeeprs not much concern.

However, the MID is getting better now, I would say in 1 or 2 seasons time we can compete with other teams midfielder, thanks to some diligent MID trainers and also some great talents coming out in this position. Myself just sold a NT MID out, even though it will weaken my team, as he will get passing training that he needed, which I do not plan to train in a very near future. MY United also train 2-3 good MID. And Ibrahim Hong, the best midfielder Malaysia have at his age. And MY United just produced another rare talents, an 18 years old worth RM 13 million. We are ok here.

The only problem is we still lack quality DEF trainer? Very few defender talents coming out, however, there are 2 decent one, both use by NT coach in the match against India. Both are 20 years old now, and will be the future of Malaysia NT defence, although their standard still way way below the standard of Turkey and New Zealand, don't mentioned Italy and Denmark. But at least we have 2 def trainers, one from overseas and one from local. Forget to mention Winning11 defenders, which is a great one, but he needs pace. Once he get it, with a bit of experience, he will be great too. But does he training pace, have the coordinator speak to Winning11 on the training plan?

I beg to differ, I see a different problem Malaysia NT currently facing.

Then, what is the problem that I see?

As mentioned of this treat, most will want a more experienced coach that know tactics well so that can minimise the lose margin. I would like to have a coach that will talk to every single users on the training plan, and also to plan a strategy so that we will not lack of NT players provided in all the 4 positions, GK, DEF, MID and STR.

What happen in next election, if some experience coach applied, and we vote him. Turn out, he is very interested to field the best strategy for every game and doesn't interested to ensure Malaysia training plan is in place, to ensure we have enough DEF trainers and MID trainers and tell them what should they do.

Should we sack him, I mean vote against him and start all over gain, and choose another one that willing to do more communication?

But if the one that willing do more communication do not have better tactics, should we sack him again?

And this will go on and on, and this is actually happening in Malaysia now.


Experienced vs Development Oriented Coach?


I am all for Development Oriented coach, after a few season they will be experienced.

But choosing an experienced one but turn out not development oriented, and it means because our base is so small, we can't grow as our competitors grow faster than us, should we sack him? But if we do, we back to square one again.

ther is a solution sell all good juniors malsya players let they conquest the world the goal is make every user in sokker have a malaysia player is true malaysia dunt have many users teams still young cant afront magic trainers tahts why the best solution is to sell best juniors get the money and invest it in trainse for more youngsters

long time no come forum, busy + less respond of malaysia player. malaysia player no active at forum at all.

about the NT result i duwan to say much, when the start of season losing and got problem duwan to say out and discuss now only say is useless, new season coming, and wat i see is chaning new coach. so wat ur suggest and complain the current NT do not have time to do further improvement.

about the def training, i currently train def for almost 2 season, i found it really hard to train a good def(correct me if wrong, i just say out my exp) a good def not only need HIGH def skill and also TECH, PASS, PACE, MF. only if u get a very good trainnee.
last season i got 2 formidable level def, one can get mark 30+ and one is around 20+. the first one got no PACE, good TECH adep PASS, Form def, Avg PM. he player quite very as CD. but the other with adep PACE and formid def , low tech and pass totaly cannot perform.

i list out my current m'sia def, any one can have pace train can bid for him or msg me, i will train STR next season( my atk is too low）

Mahathir bin Abu Jaafar, age 20
value: 468 750 RM, wage: 6 375 RM
adequate form

unsatisfactory stamina,
unsatisfactory pace,
excellent technique,
good passing,
tragic keeper
solid defender
adequate playmaker
average striker

Mohd Zan bin Mohd Noor, age 20
value: 1 206 250 RM, wage: 9 125 RM
divine form

good stamina,
hopeless pace,
very good technique,
excellent passing,
tragic keeper
excellent defender
poor playmaker
average striker

Ahamat Mat Aris, age 18
value: 430 000 RM, wage: 4 375 RM
excellent form

solid stamina,
average pace,
adequate technique,
average passing,
tragic keeper
very good defender
average playmaker
weak striker

noor and aris is 3~5 week talent and jaafar is my new pull pop tech
noor got 6 pop so far(2 def, 2 tech, 1 pm ,1 pace)
aris got 8 pop so far(3 def, 4 tech,1 pm, )
both last season pull(this season i train is tech def)

mettal,

thanks for your suggestion. I think this is correct approach for the NT now, let the more resourceful team (overseas users) to train our juniors.

but still the issue is we we still need some one to talk to the Malaysia users to advise them to train or advise them to sell. normally, this is done by NT coach.

Currently, I am doing this part time. only manage to advise less than 5 users. To speak to the users, and I would tell it is not easy to ask the users to sell their best players out for training.

This is their best player and to ask them to sell out to boost NT will make their sokker team nothing to look forward, this is what I am being told. Only educated users will know how to use the money that is gained by selling their best players and make a good investment of training coaches and trainees.

And also time and again, we see some potential youth player coming out, and when we ask what the junior coach they have, they will say very good coach/excellent coach. Imagine, if only they get a better junior coach, it will be real gem for NT team.

A person still need to handle this to guide the Malaysian users on the training and development. The base is already very small, but the educated base is even much smaller, maybe less than 20 percent of the existing base.


And the problem is when we choose experience coach like jaworlegia and Tiger, Malaysian users will complain this part is not done, thus they want more development oriented coach and user friendly coach.

And assuming a person that can do the above jobs well come around, he will be sacked too because of less experience, immediate result is important.

So, there is no continuity in the NT coach, and the cycle evolve from

a local coach -> Fire Escape
exprienced coach -> jawor
ok experience and user oriented -> Tiger
a local coach -> wooikeim
exprienced coach -> X
ok experience and user oriented -> Y


And this will evolve again, unless we Malaysian users stop to have higher expectation of the NT coach, and instead voice our ideas with the NT coach and build team together. It is not a one person job. The very same person that complaining, if given easier task in NT coach, most probably can't do it, so why complaining.

l6776793,

In my earlier post, I don't consider you are DEF trainers because your players are not close to NT level, even though you train DEF.

You are right, a national DEF level, you need
pace, defenders -> first priority
technical, playmakers, passing -> second priority

Mahathir has unsatisfactory pace and Mohd Zan has hopeless pace, and both are turning 21 soon.

Sorry to say they are no way trainable to NT level. Ahamat is a good trainees for Malaysia standard. For the NT sake, you should either plan to train him pace soon or if you can't maybe look for interested users to buy it. There is also risk too, if you sell out and the players did not get the training.


Below is the 2 central defenders that are experimented in the NT match against India. It is a good experiment.

Katanha (very good pace, solid defender)scored 45 and Mazlan scored 34 (formidable pace, incredible defender).

See, pace and defender are not good enough, thus your theory is right. But MID is even more harder to train.


Mohd Nafuzi Katanha, age: 22
value: 1 391 250 RM, wage: 13 000 RM
club: mysprs, country: Malaysia
magical form, formidable tactical discipline


formidable stamina, hopeless keeper
very good pace, solid defender
solid technique, good playmaker
very good passing, adequate striker


(get this from hallo this week)
Mazlan bin Tumin, age 20
value: 1 742 500 RM, wage: 15 125 RM
divine form

good stamina,
formidable pace,
average technique,
weak passing,
tragic keeper
incredible defender
average playmaker
poor striker


Mazlan is by far the best Malaysia defender at his age, yet his technique is only average. How he are going handle the brilliant technique striker in the World Cup Qualifying round? The rest of the NT defenders also slightly better in technique only, but does not have Mazlan pace and defending.

I have advise the trainer to train him technique, and he already get an incredible coach with 4 unearthy level to train him. Before I talk to him this week, he only have a weak coach. He can afford better coach, but did not see the necessity to upgrade it. And he did not realise that defenders need technique, playmaking and passing too.

Sometime it is not we do not have the players, it is the NT coach fail to approach the user and give suggestion to them, and national talent just vanished like that.

I believe that experienced coaches that are not interested to work with Malaysian users are not a good Malaysia NT coach, maybe other country he need not to work with their users.

But for Malaysian case, please vote wisely, ensure the NT coach willing to do this part, work with Malaysia users closely.
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mysprs, but i think def need more tech than pace, if u got tech and at good positioning,(tactic set) striker hard to pass u. if u got high pace with low tech, it is hard for the defender to make tackle. If he fail also have slow recover time to chase again even though he run fast( cos other NT striker also run fast)

so for what i observe, def need DEF>> tech
then pace>>PM>>passing.
state if i am wrong

You may be right, I don't know it for sure. That is why it is important for NT coach to experiment it himself, like what wookeim did with Katanha and Mazlan, one better in technique the other one better in pace.

Before yesterday experiment, I still believe pace is more important, as I get this theory from various NT advertisement for other countries.

In Nederlands NT page,

DEF:
- defender at least brilliant
- pace at least formidable
- preferably playmaking, passing and technique at least adequate

In Hrvatska NT page,
DEF:
- defender at least magical (15)
- pace at least formidable (11)
- technique at least adequate (6)
- passing + playmaker at least 9

In Spain Nt page,
DEFENDERS________________ __
Defender:______Magical_______Incredible
Pace:__________Outstanding_ _Excellent
Technique:_____Good_________Adequate
Playmaker:____Good_________Adequate
Passing:_______Adequate_____Average


Just to name 3 examples, all the 3 countries are top 10 teams in the sokker now, and they all said techniques is less important than pace, as their criteria for their NT player.

That is why I am all for experiment in NT friendly to really test it out, in theory, it should be pace better than technique.

For the top ranked team in the sokker ranking now, as pointed above, if you have adequate technique defender, you can be considered in the NT. But for pace, the entry level is much more higher.

But I feel that what ahjun85 said hold weight. Sometime it depends on how deep you play your defender. If you don't have paceful defenders, you should not play to up in the field, play it deeper. But if you play it deeper, it means your opponents that have divine striker will gain from it. I think the requirement is more to the strategy purpose.

And when people start to experiment in friendly, which is very important, we should give them encouragement. Not judging their performance in friendly. The NT coach only fail to do his job, if he don't use friendly to experiment.
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ic ic. i think wat you say is true also. Bcos top 10 coach play for long and got more time to do experiment and explore.

actually i still duno how def work, see this my best def
Mohd Tuah Syamsuri, age 26
value: 713 750 RM, wage: 5 375 RM
divine form
bookings:
excellent stamina,
adequate pace,
good technique,
solid passing,
hopeless keeper
adequate defender
average playmaker
average striker

only adequate but he play well. what my plan is to SCORE, u get me one i pay u 2 :D~, so i train my striker. next season may get 2 brialliant str(hope)

i just got normal PM group, weak def. but solid striker. my PM can make sure pass the ball to my striker , let them gain enough support so that higher chances to score. my currently striker

Mohd Firdaus bin Haji Hassan, age 20
value: 1 316 250 RM, wage: 7 750 RM
divine form
very good stamina,
adequate pace,
adequate technique,
weak passing,
tragic keeper
unsatisfactory defender
good playmaker
incredible striker

Juan bin Jampaka, age 22
value: 1 212 500 RM, wage: 8 750 RM
divine form

very good stamina,
very good pace,
solid technique,
very good passing,
tragic keeper
poor defender
weak playmaker
excellent striker

Kazimierz Zgutczyński , age 19
value: 1 010 000 RM, wage: 6 375 RM
incredible form
bookings:
formidable stamina,
solid pace,
weak technique,
average passing,
tragic keeper
average defender
poor playmaker
formidable striker
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juan will be sold nearly future, other 2 will get tech train after next season. mysprs any suggestion ?
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Not a bad strikers at all. I was preivously a striker trainer.

Mohd Firdaus bin Haji Hassan, age 20
adequate pace,
adequate technique,
incredible striker

Juan bin Jampaka, age 22

very good pace,
solid technique,
excellent striker

Kazimierz Zgutczyński , age 19
value: 1 010 000 RM, wage: 6 375 RM

solid pace,
weak technique,
formidable striker


Shamsul Amri Faisal 23 is
outstanding pace,
formidable technique,
incredible striker

Rafaek Sumardi 22 is
very good pace,
solid technique,
brilliant striker


This is a gudeline for you for your future training, if you want Mohd Firdaus to make it to NT.

He needs both pace and technical, at least to very good for him to be considered as NT striker.


It is a bit of dilemma right, for better profit and your training plan, you should continue training striker, so that your other strikers gain and will make them more valuable.

For national services, provide talents to NT, you should stop training striker, and train pace and technique.

And you need to spend some money to get other trainees too for pace and technique too.

And advised by mettal, you should sell Mohd Firdaus, if you don't plan to train pace and technique soon. But is it so easy for you to sell him, just for the NT sake?

And also, there is no guarantee your future buyer will train him pace and technique.

This is what I am saying, it sounds good, but don't really practical. Malaysia trainers for Malaysian is still more practical to me.

Mail me, if you don't mind. We can discuss the best way to do it, tell me whehter you want to sell Firdaus or train him to be NT.

well in order to make malaysia user active and not to abandone game its u all guys responsability make every one to get involved in NT that brings a nice competition with juniors and all that also may i say NT coach have to work wiht it sk mailing user taht normaly dunt read forums watch games from winers teams players see the stadistics of malaysia and msg owners of good players and try they to participate in game also u all guys could offer help to noobs so they dunt mess their team most of the users come from other managers so they are custum to something else easear were tactics dunt mean more then a formation so its part of u all to guide some noobs and introduce them in game

Thanks for all the comment above.

@ usahat - I did reply you guys sk-mail, of sending minimum requirement to you usahat. By talking about playing player in U21, but there was a request from India coach of playing U22 player, we got few u22 player which i think should try on the game against india.

@ mysprs - first of all, i know i didnt make Malaysian users community. The reason is no group leader corporate with me. I didnt sent 2 sk-mail to each leader, but there was no reply.

@ winn11, sialunx - No offense, no doubt the tactic is wrong, especially defender. But it is the respobsible for all malaysia user of training better defender. Of course tigermaster and jawor done better than me, can you see how many season they are in sokker, and me?

@ zouk - thanks for your comment. But 1 thing i dont really agree is you cannot compare a team by judging it for 2 different group. The quality of team for both group are different. Thanks


Lastly, i'm really appreaciate with all comments (haha, this topic was hot). If you guys think that we need to reelect a new coach by this week, its ok for me to step down.

Cheers

it isnt possible to step down in the middle of a season... the admins changed that previously. The only time you can be taken out of the job is after the elections.

Put this out of your head for now and focus on the rest of both your SL season and NT season and try to finish strongly on both fronts.