Subject: toong and mysprs

why toong and mysprs dont want to be malaysia NT candidates?

as far as i am aware.. mysprs doesnt feel he is ready to be the NT manager himself (pls correct me if i am wrong) He has the knowledge of the game but doesnt feel he has the tactical experience... as for toong I have no idea?

well not every one have the time lead National team and his/hers team for NT requires some extra time is not as simple u have to scout many players scout players from rivals and many other stuf so its not so ez as it looks

You put it correctly, tigermaster.

And also, I think to be a NT in newly developed country like Malaysia where user base is very less, and active users are countable by fingers, one need alot alot of effort to really make things happen.

And I think the time that I can afford for the game (1 to 2 hours per day) is good to do certain tasks only, not all the tasks required needed to become NT coach. On my opinion, even with a team of 3 to 4 players, you can't complete all the tasks required if you want to do a really good job, don't mention 1 single person to do it.

And I don't like to make promise to things that I can't deliver, and to deliver it, it needs more than the time and effort that I can afford, so I give the job a miss. However, I don't mind helping the NT coach to do some of their tasks, if we are talking in the same line, meaning we have the same opinions and ideas on how the NT should be run.

Another thing is about tactic, I have certain ideas on how the game should be played, and I would really want to test it out against better teams, however, Malaysia don't have the player requirements that I need. So, if I become NT coach now, I will not able to play with the way that I want it to play.

So, to me the priority now, is to develop players to the standard requirements, not going for tournament, and hope for miracle and mistake by opponents.

I am very much involved in identifying the right players and getting team to train them. There is only 1 to 2 positions still need to identify the players, compare to last season at least 5-6 players.

I hope to continue contributing to identify and helping to develop the players, and as mentioned earlier this is already taken most of my time.

Our user base is very small, and to be so picky to identify the correct players it is very difficult. And the most difficult part is something after few months, you able to identify the players that you want, but the trainers don't cooperate with you, he has another idea on how to train the player.

So, you have two choice to continue communication with the trainer so that he can change his mind or to start all over again and to find the correct player. Alot of mails needed just for this to identify the correct players.

And the second choice is to increase the base, more users, meaning more talents, meaning wider selection. But again, it will take alot of time to spam other websites.

Saying this, on my opinion, the above are in more urgent priority in Malaysia NT context, and be a NT and experimenting tactic to play with other nations are lower priority to me.

On my opinion, Malaysia sokker can only be groomed if the base is bigger and hopefully more sokker fanatic from Malaysia is discovered, so that they can be very active and further contribute to Malaysia, either on training, NT tasks, maintaining users or the very least generate more talents to be choosen.

yes. i agree. same to me. everyday lots of work. dont have enough time to study about this game(tactics, player, training, planning). i only spent 1 to 2 hours a day. my aim this coming season just want to compete with PL teams.

lastly, for me... give to the master to do that job (malaysia NT manager).

Tigermaster...
u got my vote. please do good job with this 2nd opportunity(if u are elected) :)

TQ very much

Thanks adne

@ Mysprs - Well written there

I realised at the end of the last campaign that to be the Malaysian NT coach it would be impossible to do it alone. This is why I am currently trying to form a committee of users. If elected, I do hope that you would be kind enough to join this committee. If elected my major aim is to keep the users involved and any ideas that are thrown my way shall be taken into account and if I disagree with such ideas I would explain the reasons why I would not feel that the idea would not be viable.

Also, as you did say there is more than just Managing a team to the job, there are certainly those other aspects of the game that, truth be told, I had not thought about hard enough in previous seasons.

Well, this is election time.

Let me give my stand, I will continue supporting condor. I found out that I can work with the team, we have the same goal and the team teach me something and introduce something to me that ease my work. For example, the DB that they introduce enable myself to achieve my goal faster.

As I mentioned, i have tried to identify the correct players for a few season, it is a very tedious jobs, every season, I can only achieve identifying 1 to 2 players for example. However, this season with the help of the teams, the ideal players for my ideal team are mostly identified.

Now, only lack 2 wingers, the rest of the position are ok. But we don't have the players mentioned only toong can help, as he has 4 NT players that are candidates for the position. However, I know his training plan, and the training plan is to continue training them to positions that we already have the players.

I need to talk with toong later, see whether he can adjust his training plan, but I don't think it is easy. From experience the chance is less than 10 percent for the coach to change thier training plan for the NT, however I will try.

If this is not possible, then, maybe I need to change my training plan myself, sell all my best players and buy prospects in position that MY weak in and train them, but this will take at least 3-4 season from now to see the result.

To identify another talent from the current base is almost not possible, if there is we already identified it, unless new users come in with new talents.


Back to the main point, I will support condor as we can work together and the team will help me on what I am trying to do. If condor, are not elected, I will still continue to do on what I want to do, but alone.

It might sounds a bit cocky, but to me, I know what MY team needs, I need some NT coach to help me to fulfill the goal, not the other way round the NT coach telling me what to do and expore his idea.


On the chances of condor getting the job again, if you ask me, I see there is a vast improvements on the
1) scout system
(we identify prospects almost every week, just see the NT lineup)

2) improvement on tactic and result
(as mentioned not my concern anyway)

3) improvement on tools used
(our DB is very good, we did spend alot of time there, now we have the players for every age groups.)


There are still alot of improvements, especially on the communication and lots more. Some users, might not happy and requires better communication from a NT coach. As I mentioned before and again, there is alot of tasks to be completed for the NT coach, even with a team of 3 or 4 person, you might miss out some of the tasks to be done. Thus, you need to set priority. On the team priority, which is really in line on my priority is to build the pool of MY players, and I think we did that quite well. We migth gave lower priority on other thing.


It is a Malaysian user choice, whether to give the chance to the team to continue on what they doing best and improve on what they are not doing. Or the users can elect a totally new team for the job.

My opinion before and again, is you need to get the NT coach/team to play at least 2 seasons, so that you can really evaluate them. 1 season for preparation, 1 season for World Cup, this happening in the football world. No NT coach in the real life will be hired for the friendly game, and when come the World Cup Qualifying Round, hire another coach.

We have change coaches every season for dunno how many season, where does it lead us? You think some candidates come in and they say they can do better communication and you think they are good candidates?

Bear in mind all the previous coaches of NT including Tigermaster are sacked because of failure to communicate with users opposing to their election speech. Perhaps, one should really review what is the problem is? Is really 100% it is the NT coach failure, or maybe the Malaysia sokker community need to bear some of the responsibility too because of not being active and understand that communication for Malaysia sokker community is not 1 way traffic? This is for the voters to ponder.

I do hope that you would be kind enough to join this committee.


Thanks for the kind offer. As at now, I will be fully support condor for this campaign. Sorry, I believe in continuation, at least to sack condor without him playing World Cup Qualifying and prove his worth is not a good idea to me.

However, if you win it, we will have a talk again, and from there we will see whether we can work together.

mysprs is by far better candidate. i am not as knowledgeable as him. i win my matches by having far superior players than my opponents and if you have a squad not too much weaker than mine you are likely to beat my team.

i am not a good leader and lack tactical knowledge. and i can't write long post like mysprs :p

ps: was hattrick u20 coach did a bad job :(
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wow great insight mysprs!

toong team has alot alot of resource.

It is not a bad idea if team like toong is the NT coach or very involved in the NT setup.

At least, he needs not to waste time and get the right buyer. He just use some of his spare cash and alot of things can be settled.

Just kidding. In terms of NT coach, I don't think you really need game knowledge. You just need tactical knowledge. And everyone can pick this up, they just need to have idea, how sokker should played and test it out.


And toong problem is he has a far superior team to other Super League team, perhaps, you might want to weaken your team so that you can be better tactically?

I start the game first, 1 month before toong play sokker.

Yet, he has a far far superior team than mine, even though my team is younger.

This show, I am a manager that emphasize on youth and development, and toong is a manager that plan well for the training of the first team players.

Perhaps, if toong offer his help for the Malaysia NT, Malaysia NT can achieve result in shorter team, due to toong superior planning and management on first team player.

toong, if you want to help, sure the NT setup will be very much benefited from your participation.

Since, the subject is toong and mysprs, I will treat this column as my column, and I will voice my further opinion on what we lack on the NT. This might be useful opinion to Malaysian users or the candidates for NT coach.


For Malaysia next target should be challenging the teams that world rank in between 30 to 50, and be in that rank as soon as possible. Never mind we are still rank 60 plus, there is alot of teams that rank in 50 plus like Singapore, and we are much better than them. We rank lowly in the world ranking, because we play alot of games in the early season, with higher ranking team, thus, we lose to them, world rank drop.

My opinion is we are 2 wingers shot to challenge team that rank in between 30 to 50. Even we can adjust the formation, but still we need the wingers capability midfielders, mainly in technique.


On GK, we are very ok in this positions, has a few under 23 GK that score higher than 80, and they still can improve. We are very competitive here.

On ST we are not that super great on strikers. But we have strikers that has score against top 10 teams in the world like Italy. We are certainly competitive with teams that are rank 30 to 50. And we have young strikers coming in, thanks to Fake Madrid and some other local trainers. Not a concern, compare to other position.

On DF, used to be one of the 'red' positions, however, we managed to field the gaps, by having 4-6 defenders that above 40, something that we just manage to do recently thanks to good scouting and training. They might not be better than players from team that rank 30 to 50, but the good news are we have alot of young defenders in age group 21, 20, 19 and even 18, that given proper training will takeover the senior place. Not really a concern position now. The NT have done a good job here to rectify this weakness which one season ago, is the main problem. The NT coach, needs good positioning in match tactic on defenders. If the Nt coach able to do that, we are competitive to teams that rank 30 to 50.

So, the main concern here is MF. One might concludes that our MF is the weakest link. WRONG! The correct word is our MF is not balanced.

MF can be divided to Central Midfielders (both attacking or defensive) and Wingers. Our 2 best players in the NT in all position except GK is Hong and Haji Menan, both scoring 57 and 56 in last NT games, and they only aged 21 now. This is a very good achievement, I would say our central midfielders are even stronger than our strikers department, our strikers only can get this kind of scores when they aged late 22. For our central midfielders, when they aged 23, they are very competitive with teams that rank 30 to 50. No worry here. Hong is a defensive midfielder and Menan is attacking midfielder, both have the right training plan, trained by the right coaches. We have midfielders that have incredible pace, passing and playmaking, and they are only 21 now. In terms of defensive midfielders, Hong defensive skills are even better than some of the NT defenders.


So, where goes wrong? The top 10 midfielders or even top 20 midfielders in the country are all centre midfielders. Toong have 4 of it, and they are very close with Hong and Menan. We don't have the right balance, where we have no wingers.

Wingers needs pace, technique, playmaking and passing. Our best technique midfielder/winger is excellent. This is not the standard of team that rank 30 to 50.

We need trainers to trains our midfielders to incredible technique, just like the other skills. And currently, we

HAVE NO PLAYERS/PROSPECTS OR TRAINERS FOR WINGER TO TRAIN TECHNIQUE


We need to work this out, I just don't see how we going to break the top 50 with excellent technique midfielders, in this level, we need incredible technique midfielders at least.


The future NT team needs to work this out, it is my main priority regardless the future NT work it out or not.

what is winger, how can i convert 1-2 of my cm to winger?

ps: post too long feel dizzy :p

1) firstly, train technique to outstanding for a start
2) if you don't have outstanding pace midfielder, then train the same player until reach outstanding

Winger is like Ronaldo - Manchester United, fast (pace) and can dribble (technique). Sometimes he might play central midfielder for tactical reason, but still having outstanding pace and technique for your centre midfielders are good idea in sokker, as your player can beat off his marker. And Malaysia best midfielder is having excellent technique, only 1 or 2, the rest much much worst than it, some top 10 midfielders have average technique.


After pace and technique for your winger, then you might need passing (outstanding) and playmaker (formidable/outstanding). Passing is after you dribble your oppoinents, you need to pass the ball accurately to the striker. Playmaker is you need to release the ball faster before opponents defenders tackle you. No point, you are Ronaldo in dribbling, but have no end product, cannot cross, cannot pass. Opponents sure will regain the ball.

You need midfielders with high technique to open up a tight tactical formation.


In the better sokker nation, the wingers need to be at least adequate in defender, but for a start for Malaysia, having outstanding technique, pace, passing and playmaker is a good idea and competitive. And we are far from having one. The closer we have is Ibrahim Majid which needs alot of pace and technique training and also some playmaker training.

Without players that can play wingers, operate at the wing, your team become predicatable, and become tactically lack of option and tactically predicatable. Not a good thing for a NT manager.