Subject: Sokker Asistente

Terrion, any info from all data about how slower higher skills are trained? I can feel a huge difference right mow to train to unearthy-divine skills. Maybe you can tell anything based on numbers

I don't think it's so huge since, the week we had a double training (one with the old system and one with the new) initially I had a pop to superdivine keeper that dissapesred after the new training was applied. And, with the new system, the keeper popped again with one more general training and one full training, if I remember correctly. So, the difference can't be higher than that

Anyways, I didn't make any study on the data. I think it's too early for that

Oh, I just realized my conclusions about my case were wrong. That only means that the time to reach superdivine didn't got doubled for one single training, but from 17.0 to 17.99 that could be a lot of weeks :/
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Bad news :(

hi...

look pop this gk.... he is not set in advanced trainink only formating and had pop like if he was training gk....

https://prnt.sc/SPW4NAAThMdJ

https://prnt.sc/3Oh3Zy3j0In4

https://prnt.sc/WZ42I6IiLGAI
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Oh, I just realized my conclusions about my case were wrong. That only means that the time to reach superdivine didn't got doubled for one single training, but from 17.0 to 17.99 that could be a lot of weeks :/

i know that 17,99 was superdivine skill always.... if start play was max skill divine but we did not to know if divine is 17,01 or 17,99.... so later made superdivine in top 17,99.

so my ulej had RPP in pace. when change traing had pace pop, later drop and got striker training.

he had rpp pace pop today.

but few week ago after pop to 17 show his talent 3,28...

pop in 17 pace /8 weeks is in 22/23y realy good.

right now is his talent worst......why??????

https://prnt.sc/8vjLvQlvvXAZ
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if have player pop, so can not to count more point next skill like have is training point....

https://prnt.sc/-bMhaTnJMYqK

Interesting. Maybe formation training is better than expected

And maybe striker training is slower than expected :P

About the last player, yes, it seems it counts the training points like the level before and then it multiplies it by skill factor. But I couldn't find the bug in the code when I searched it last time. I'll try again some day...

I agree that we more weeks, after that i thi k you can make a very good estimations, because right now it looks like the talent of players reduces, but it is not the case: the age has bigger impact or the higher skill has the bigger impact.
We will come back to this maybe after next season:)

Interesting. Maybe formation training is better than expected


From the "help" icon on the training page, close to the "formation training" player list

[...]
- The player will receive an average effectiveness training of the skill assigned to this formation in the training plan and a slight training of the other skills.
[...]

Look at the bold words.

Average > slight.

Actually you set up the formation training at 10%, that is equal to the old general training amount on a single skill. In my opinion, formation training is way greater, maybe around 30%-40%. Of course, it depends on what "average" means in the sokker devs head, but from the help pane, you can guess that the formation training amount is higher than 10%
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formation training replaces old passive training which was around 20-25%. And kryminator also mentioned 20% for formation training.

Texts for boxes in training page were supposed to be different, Raul proposed something else, but then they went with something else that struś wrote. I don't know why they changed that.

Here it is in Polish forum: https://sokker.org/forum_topic/ID_forum/1/ID_topic/3558359/pg/1, you can translate if with deepl or something

The part that is the most interesting for this discussion:

Box 2: Trening formacji
Na tej liście znajdziesz wszystkich zawodników, którzy nie są wybrani do treningu zaawansowanego (nawet kilkukrotnie skuteczniejszego, ale dostępnego jedynie dla maksymalnie 10 graczy).
Trening formacji to podstawowy rodzaj treningu, który powoduje, że wybrana dla danej formacji umiejętność jest trenowana około dwukrotnie szybciej, niż inne, pozbawione priorytetu umiejętności.

Quick translation:

Box 2: Formation training
In this list, you will find all players who are not selected for advanced training (even several times more effective, but only available for up to 10 players).
Formation training is a basic type of training that causes the skill selected for a formation to be trained [b]about twice as fast as other, non-prioritized skills[/b].

That's where I got this number, if it's ~10% max for general training then "about twice as fast" should mean about ~20% max for skill trained in formation training.

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Today Polish user reported that his 22yo goalkeeper popped to [12] after 4 general trainings (old system) and 5 formation trainings in keeper... It looks like at least for GK training in keeper they get full training in formation training.

Thanks a lot for sharing the info :)

It looks like at least for GK training in keeper they get full training in formation training.

there are many keepers in formation training - if there was a bug and all of them would get full training, there would be more than 1 example. I don't believe that, or we will see many more cases in the next weeks.

I said this before but they didn't care about me, maybe they didn't care because I'm not Polish !



2022-08-11 15:00:51
iyi insan olmak lazım → majti_orion
Hello guys.
Has your goalkeeper's goalkeeping skills improved after switching to the new training system? I've heard from a lot of people in these 2 weeks that goalkeepers have skipped talent, regardless of whether they're old or young.MY keeper last week pop up incredible keeper hes 26 y old and i dont training keeper.Today some friends keepers pop up too. Is it a bug or is it just a coincidence?