Subject: »[info]Dev Diary #82: Automatic release of NT-players from

I understand. But I don’t know if I make money or lose it in CC. You have more chances of injury and if you fight to win you always have to badly sell or badly buy a player to replace injured / penalized.

But if we all have greater number of matches we will need even more players :)

Ultimately, I think that CC is definitely worth the injury risk, especially if they make 90' in CC as effective as 90' in league for training.
So, more matches they give, more are the champs rewarded.

I proposed that long time ago, some people are for higher taxes for reselling some are for longer trading bans.

I think that if you want to improve the UX, then the trading bans are a strep in the wrong direction.

+1 @_james for long terms regulation then we can think about punishment for now only we can do is report what we think is not fair and relay on admins to judge it right

An interesting idea from Turkish Forums ;

Let's assume that with new training system , ı will train :

Pace for DEF
Tech for MID
Striking for ATT.

And ı will buy 10 strikers . I put the ones who need pace to the def , the ones who need tech to the mid and the ones who need striking to the att.

In this way ı can train 10 strikers which might lead me to make a lot of money.
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Training should be a little independent of Orders, otherwise it's useless. We want play to win, not play to train.

It's not normal if I want to train technique to ATT I need to set him as MID. That way the training is less flexible.
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We are not talking about some times to times exploiting the arcade bug (I am not stubborn I can understand it) but this is a systematic strategy and that's why it should be punished, especially when some of them are winning some trophies thanks to this !



That's no more a BUG after all this time. It's a feature.
You can call it a BUG, but after all those season of massive use of that, it would really unfair to penalize who use it.

Now we need to state the RULE before, and then you can ask for punishment.


S.C.En e Panic and Insistisci this is just scandalous !!!!

While I agree with you in the need of a new rule, I still think you sohould be punished for this violation of an ALREAY EXISTING RULE!
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Yes but it is still possible. I can wait a bit to make some money which will help to me to create a better team.

A massive use ?
I am not sure we are talking about hundreds of users there.
Only few teams are using the bug as a systematic strategy.

As stated in the rules, they should be punished for having use an encountered errors to their own needs !

Edit : Btw when you quoted me you forgot Could you not bid this player???, so it means I don't violate any rule when I accuse a Polish user and not an Italian one ? Great !
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Yes but it is still possible. I can wait a bit to make some money which will help to me to create a better team.

But you don’t know how will be market. If every one can train more strikers they will be cheapers than now
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The "striker training" for 10 strikers, with dividing of def, mid and att order is indeed a possibility, but will you place your striker on a mid and a def position? Good luck with your match then...

BlueZero: Is it a bug? Yes or no, devs/admins must say
If yes, then the broke the rules so the punishment is fair.
It is not a new rule, in that case it would be retroactive and not fair.
Thats how justice works in democratic countries. Or at least should :D :D

Is it a bug? Yes!
But because it's a bug you cannot punish managers for it!
The managers didn't break any existing rule, nor did they exploid other users with it.
The game itself allowed managers to use this "bug" to their advantage, so if you should "punish" someone for it, it's the game itself... and that seems unrealistic :-p
Was it unfair... sure, but it has been within a "crack" of the rules, like lawyers always love to use irl...and they don't break the rules, but they use the rules to their advantage.

Devs know about this and will take care of the bug... So let it be for now...
Besides... arcade matches have no influence on training so they don't have a direct advantage to it. Yes, they can re-sell their players faster, but also have a risk they sell them for less money...
And yes, most of the time, they make profit, but only cause they use their expertise in selling players at the right time.

The managers didn't break any existing rule, nor did they exploid other users with it.

The problem is that they did break an existing rule:

GENERAL SOKKER RULES

As an user you are obligated to obey the following major rules. In the game it is forbidden:
(...)
- to use any encountered errors in Sokker to one's own needs (every traced bug should be reported to the admins)
(...)
Violations of these rules of Sokker, including the major rules above and breaking the registration rules above (such as attempted registrations for multiple teams), will be punished with penalties up to removing the user from the game.

True...to one's own needs,

I missed that one...

good luck with searching all the people who broke this rule over the years. This "error" was in the game since the introduction of arcade games. That is almost ten years.

Gimme access to the database and within one hour i will list you all of them ;-).

But thats besides the point, first thing is fixing the bug.
Second thing is about what will be done about those who exploited it.
I have my opinion, but that does not mean that it needs to happen that way.
As i am "competing" in Czech league, it does not affect me at all if they will be punished or not.

arcade matches have no influence on training

not true at 100% cause exp increase

arcade matches affect the game on three aspects: exp, ranking and re-selling

Edit : Btw when you quoted me you forgot Could you not bid this player???, so it means I don't violate any rule when I accuse a Polish user and not an Italian one ? Great !

I simply didn't see it.

Anyway.
The arcade issue is not a bug.
It was asked when discovered to admins to correct it. They told it was impossible and that there would be no punishment for using it.

Now you can't punish someone for it.

it is a basic principle of law. No one can be punished for a rule made after his act