Subject: »[info]Dev Diary #82: Automatic release of NT-players from

I have sense of fair play. Is that wrong? Maybe, but that's what i am.
I am not forcing you to agree with my opinion.
I mentioned a few times that the cheaters do not affect me at all, no problem in CZ and i wont play CC, so all i am writing is just about fair play, nothing else :-).

On the other hand you are complaining that you lost training because of your fault. While i agree that if there is a bug then it should be solved, but imho it is not there:

So its something wrong with you? You don't need to answer, i have enough of my own problems, no need to feel sorry for anyone else :-).

Edit: Must add that from the view on the CZ politics i can see why you are ok with not punishing cheaters (Babis...).
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That plus the 23 transfers he did in June, I am little worried about him.
I would put him on the waiting list to give him a second chance.

PS : With my 20 transfers in May, I will include myself too to lead by example.

i still do not get why you guys are obsesses of punishment there is no rule that forbids that≥ if someone to blame is @greg and @damian introducing feature without really tested and considered all options.
The text from rules that you are want to use for punishment is actually "dark ages" based on it anyone can be punished for anything....
And best part of "dark ages" we cannot comment admin decisions...

Do we need to punish all people that get super youth from youth school as lottery like 5- and even more euro just for new born 16y ....

im against any punishment without real proff and most important without its clearly explained in rules.

personal attacks, even better ;)

I agree 100% with you.

thanks sviktorov, sensible opinion :)

Thx, Raul.

personal attacks, even better ;)
While i don't see much of personal attacks there, but do you realise that you started it and i countered with with the exact same?
If you do not realise it then that is all fine. All in the world is relative like Einstein said, in this case the better word would be subjective.

You are wrong, friend.
The rules:


GENERAL SOKKER RULES

As an user you are obligated to obey the following major rules. In the game it is forbidden:
- to own or to control more than one team
- to sell or to hand over a team to another user (no matter if he was already playing in Sokker or is a new user)
- to have a team in a country other than the country of nationality or habitual residence. In case of registering from a different country or coming from a country not included in Sokker database, please explain it by writing to admins@sokker.org.
- to transfer any player between the teams that use the same IPs or that log from the same computer
- to help other teams by bidding intentionally on their players above the market value
- to transfer players over their fair market values
- to hack another user's account and to try to obtain other user's password
- to use programs that may be dangerous to Sokker
- to post or present material that is designated as illegal on this family-oriented site (i.e. to present any racist, fascist, or pornographic material, presenting illegal programs or the material breaking software licenses/copyrights) or causing potential harm to another user's computer (i.e. containing viruses, harmful behavior, etc).
- to use any encountered errors in Sokker to one's own needs (every traced bug should be reported to the admins)
- to break the Rules of Sokker Manager or the Forum Rules stated elsewhere

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i still do not get why you guys are obsesses of punishment there is no rule that forbids that

In matter of fact there is a rule for that:
As an user you are obligated to obey the following major rules. In the game it is forbidden:
- to use any encountered errors in Sokker to one's own needs (every traced bug should be reported to the admins)

Dev's already admitted that it is a bug. So the case is already established.

What i don't get is you guys defending proven cheaters.
You guys do not realise that the cheaters took advantage of it and now they have teams that others cannot compete with?

Ok, let's punish every team who has an old coach, since they are cheating

that is not against the rules :-)

Apples and oranges much?

Well, the rules say they will eventually retire, but they don't. It's clearly a bug and many of us are cheating with it for years
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I already explained you that it is the matter of the concept od justice. We apparently have different view how the justice should be implemented. You explain this different view by others defending the cheaters. But you are just deceiving yourself.
If there is no clean border between what is cheating and what is not, it only leads to power abuse which can disturb the whole system. It is not so easy as to say that according to me they did something unfair and they should be punished

+1

according to their logic it is also against rules