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Devs are trying to make the training system as real as posible, but Still not so complicarte in perder to just enjoy a game.
First, this system Is even less easy to understand than the actual. It Is still confused for many players when trying to explain this new system :-)
Second, this system is not 'real'. No club choose to train 10 players to full training and the rest of the team can go f* themselves.
First, this system Is even less easy to understand than the actual. It Is still confused for many players when trying to explain this new system :-)
Second, this system is not 'real'. No club choose to train 10 players to full training and the rest of the team can go f* themselves.
Lol.
Well, actually is similar as the actual one.
No club choose a position to train....
How many U21 NT players only plays on friendly matches and have 0 oficial matches? In Real life I mean
For me the NEW system is more realistic than the actual one just by a little.
The NEW system will bring an environment more realistic.
1. If a player is not lined up Still will train because he was training during the week
2. Of course If he plays in oficial matches, will be bettee
3. It is not tha same playing in a low división than top division
4. A team can train all position if desired, but restricting to 10 players it will force to make a mixture between experience and youth, depends on ur plan ing and goals
5. You can have as low as 11 players if u want to use your 10 trainees in all the matches, or you can have 16 players if train 5 and 5 per match. This is only firat 11, the substitutions just use your actual plan.
6. Top teams will be forced to train older players and lower teams can train younger players, which improves economy faster for lower teams divisiones.
7. How often you see in Real life, in a top team that a 17 yo player doesnt leave the team to play profesional (oficial). Lets say Barcelona or RM, they can line up a 17yo 1 or 2 matches, and thats it, If want better development, just sent to another club 1 season. But they Still can keep the player and he will continúe training even if he doesnt play (as suggested by devs in sk).
Sorry for some spaniah words... It is the phone :p
Well, actually is similar as the actual one.
No club choose a position to train....
How many U21 NT players only plays on friendly matches and have 0 oficial matches? In Real life I mean
For me the NEW system is more realistic than the actual one just by a little.
The NEW system will bring an environment more realistic.
1. If a player is not lined up Still will train because he was training during the week
2. Of course If he plays in oficial matches, will be bettee
3. It is not tha same playing in a low división than top division
4. A team can train all position if desired, but restricting to 10 players it will force to make a mixture between experience and youth, depends on ur plan ing and goals
5. You can have as low as 11 players if u want to use your 10 trainees in all the matches, or you can have 16 players if train 5 and 5 per match. This is only firat 11, the substitutions just use your actual plan.
6. Top teams will be forced to train older players and lower teams can train younger players, which improves economy faster for lower teams divisiones.
7. How often you see in Real life, in a top team that a 17 yo player doesnt leave the team to play profesional (oficial). Lets say Barcelona or RM, they can line up a 17yo 1 or 2 matches, and thats it, If want better development, just sent to another club 1 season. But they Still can keep the player and he will continúe training even if he doesnt play (as suggested by devs in sk).
Sorry for some spaniah words... It is the phone :p
good points, but also the comment about training better against higher ranked teams makes total sense.
imagine the development of a youngster that plays in national A division comparing to one that plays in national c. it is always better for the higher divisions..and it also gives motive for the teams to advance which is going to make the game more competitive.
imagine the development of a youngster that plays in national A division comparing to one that plays in national c. it is always better for the higher divisions..and it also gives motive for the teams to advance which is going to make the game more competitive.
i did not said that, just said that training only half of players in the current system or the next one is not something "real" (logical) :-)
The question is just. Is it meant as:
A: Better opponent means total strength
B: Better opponent means he is stronger then you
If A... then yes, it will give motivation to climb/advance. But should have limits.
If B... then i get the point about being low for no reason, which i dont support....
A: Better opponent means total strength
B: Better opponent means he is stronger then you
If A... then yes, it will give motivation to climb/advance. But should have limits.
If B... then i get the point about being low for no reason, which i dont support....
What do you mean ?
Better total strength (rating ?)
Better stronger (ranking? position ?)
I know it's not clear (in diary #5) but well in the end, usually, A is B !?
As i explain its depend on the bonus training amount for me.
Your A and B are two faces of the same coin, the consequences could be absurd in both cases if the bonus training is low, or high.
Better total strength (rating ?)
Better stronger (ranking? position ?)
I know it's not clear (in diary #5) but well in the end, usually, A is B !?
As i explain its depend on the bonus training amount for me.
Your A and B are two faces of the same coin, the consequences could be absurd in both cases if the bonus training is low, or high.
Some people say that we will have an extra match, but actually it is a change from friendly to a league match.
No, it IS an extra match:
league + league + cup/friendly.
No, it IS an extra match:
league + league + cup/friendly.
Let me try and rephrase. Do they mean, the higher league (better opponents) or they do mean better opponent compared to you.
Cause last case, then you could just stay in bottom league training 16-18 yo's and still get the bonus, or if you are in bottom of table train some younger ones.... this would not promote the advantage of starting to climb
If they mean the higher league (better opponents), then it would start to make sense to be more competitive..
I hope you understand now, it can be interpreted two ways, what they said.
20 rating vs 40 rating = better training
or
60 rating vs 60 rating = better training then 40 vs 40
;)
Cause last case, then you could just stay in bottom league training 16-18 yo's and still get the bonus, or if you are in bottom of table train some younger ones.... this would not promote the advantage of starting to climb
If they mean the higher league (better opponents), then it would start to make sense to be more competitive..
I hope you understand now, it can be interpreted two ways, what they said.
20 rating vs 40 rating = better training
or
60 rating vs 60 rating = better training then 40 vs 40
;)
it shouldn't be a matter of game rating but a matter of ranking because only the ranking reflects your overall performance during the last seasons..the rating may be high but it doesn't mean that your team got the results. after all a team with high ranking is a team that wins regularly and gets promotions or titles and is the "stronger" team no matter what the match rating is. of course those teams usually have the highest ratings in each country.
First of all, NONSENSE.... ranking system is broke, arcade can affect ranking, and nothing has ever been done by ranking except cup/nt seeding draw.... second of all.... what do a player gains the most out of if we are trying to compare to real world. Playing against good players in a club just started focusing on results, or playing against bad/young players in a club just started to focusing on talents.
If this has anything to say about, that you get better training playing against Real Madrid/Liverpool then vs some sunday league club, then it has to be rating and not ranking.
But you havent answered to anything about what i was saying.
If this has anything to say about, that you get better training playing against Real Madrid/Liverpool then vs some sunday league club, then it has to be rating and not ranking.
But you havent answered to anything about what i was saying.
this is why at has been an issue of discussion that arcade games should not affect the ranking at all.
if u don't like ranking then the division could be a good alternative but no rating meaning that the division u are playing reflects the quality of the league and the experiences that the youngsters get.
if u don't like ranking then the division could be a good alternative but no rating meaning that the division u are playing reflects the quality of the league and the experiences that the youngsters get.
If not rating reflects the quality of the league.... then what does more lol.....
Sometimes i forget to debate, then i am reminded why...
Still havent seen that, that was not my entry into the debate which you responded to, i was talking about that the devs havent clarified weither it was versus stronger then you, or strong in general.
Sometimes i forget to debate, then i am reminded why...
Still havent seen that, that was not my entry into the debate which you responded to, i was talking about that the devs havent clarified weither it was versus stronger then you, or strong in general.
the devs haven't clarified a lot and we are discussing about mostly our philosophical thoughts on the game etc....hoping that the devs that have other priorities for the time being will get some of those into consideration
what u are saying about the rating cannot take place because this way the "not so developed" sokker countries will get crap training. this is why a way that doesn't reflect in rating has to be applied.
imagine in a country with very few users that the champion makes a rating of 50 max what will the training outcome will be..the ranking or the league division though can work no matter the amount of users in a country and if u ask me I would stick with ranking because u can even adjust the amount of training with the difference in ranking.
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what u are saying about the rating cannot take place because this way the "not so developed" sokker countries will get crap training. this is why a way that doesn't reflect in rating has to be applied.
imagine in a country with very few users that the champion makes a rating of 50 max what will the training outcome will be..the ranking or the league division though can work no matter the amount of users in a country and if u ask me I would stick with ranking because u can even adjust the amount of training with the difference in ranking.
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Meeeh sry for being hot headed, i just hate when someone point out a word or phrase in what i say, and not answer one bit about the meaning of what i say.
You are right about small countries, but that would be the same with ranking. And if it were realism they wanted (premier league/sunday league) comparison, then it would actually had to be that way.
But this is also a part about why a clarification about what they mean by stronger opponents is needed.
A small 1% boost per tier could maybe be possible, but i am against the idea..... it is already getting more possible (although still tough) to make the young/old/results cycle going around with new training system, so i dont see the reason for it....
You are right about small countries, but that would be the same with ranking. And if it were realism they wanted (premier league/sunday league) comparison, then it would actually had to be that way.
But this is also a part about why a clarification about what they mean by stronger opponents is needed.
A small 1% boost per tier could maybe be possible, but i am against the idea..... it is already getting more possible (although still tough) to make the young/old/results cycle going around with new training system, so i dont see the reason for it....
I still think they should make a joined youth/U21 team and a separate senior team.
Players up to 21 will never be up for A-team football.
But if they could also play league matches against other U21 teams, then they ARE enough for A-team football...
Now, youth matches are like beginner team arcade matches... Super boring, not valuable for the development of the players and thus, completely useless, with the exception of the peanuts you get for youth matches played at home...
With the current system, youth players get training from the youth coach, and senior players get training from the head coach and his assistants.
Now an interesting idea might be to let the players in the U21 team get their training from the youth coach and only, after their promotion to the senior team, they get training from the other coaches, as it is now actually...
BUT!!! Give youth/U21 players ''and this should be 1 team'', a general skill, but let the other skills gradually reveiling with matches played.
An example; You have a 17y old player joining your U21/youth team with a general skill of adequate.
After 1 match, a random skill will be shown. After 3, another skill will be shown, then after 6, after 10, after 15, 20, 25 and his complete skill sheet will be visible after 30 matches.
And now...the big difference...
After these 30 matches the player needs to play matches in order to receive training, the same way as they do now within the senior team, but then still within the youth team! Also, during the first 30 matches he ALSO get training, the same way!
But the difference here is that they receive random pops in stead of specific training skill pops...
With the example I had... The 17y old adequate player:
After 1 week...
Mike Youngster, age 17, General skill: adequate
New skill: weak passing
After 3 weeks...
Mike Youngster, age 17, General skill: adequate
weak passing
New skill: hopeless stamina
After 6 weeks...
Mike Youngster, age 17, General skill: good
hopeless stamina
weak passing
New skill: solid defending
After 10 weeks...
Mike Youngster, age 18, General skill: solid
unsatisfactory stamina - So this has popped allready!
weak passing
solid defending
New skill: adequate pace
And so on... until...
After 30 weeks...
Mike Youngster, age 19, Incredible Youth player
weak stamina - tragic keeper
solid pace - excellent defender
weak technique - solid playmaker
adequate passing - tragic striker
And now... he keeps on developping like before...IF he keeps on playing matches every week!
Ground rule:
Youth coach can train up to 15 players...
you like to train more players?
OK... You need an extra youth coach to up your maximum youth players to the ceiling of 30 players.
Players up to 21 will never be up for A-team football.
But if they could also play league matches against other U21 teams, then they ARE enough for A-team football...
Now, youth matches are like beginner team arcade matches... Super boring, not valuable for the development of the players and thus, completely useless, with the exception of the peanuts you get for youth matches played at home...
With the current system, youth players get training from the youth coach, and senior players get training from the head coach and his assistants.
Now an interesting idea might be to let the players in the U21 team get their training from the youth coach and only, after their promotion to the senior team, they get training from the other coaches, as it is now actually...
BUT!!! Give youth/U21 players ''and this should be 1 team'', a general skill, but let the other skills gradually reveiling with matches played.
An example; You have a 17y old player joining your U21/youth team with a general skill of adequate.
After 1 match, a random skill will be shown. After 3, another skill will be shown, then after 6, after 10, after 15, 20, 25 and his complete skill sheet will be visible after 30 matches.
And now...the big difference...
After these 30 matches the player needs to play matches in order to receive training, the same way as they do now within the senior team, but then still within the youth team! Also, during the first 30 matches he ALSO get training, the same way!
But the difference here is that they receive random pops in stead of specific training skill pops...
With the example I had... The 17y old adequate player:
After 1 week...
Mike Youngster, age 17, General skill: adequate
New skill: weak passing
After 3 weeks...
Mike Youngster, age 17, General skill: adequate
weak passing
New skill: hopeless stamina
After 6 weeks...
Mike Youngster, age 17, General skill: good
hopeless stamina
weak passing
New skill: solid defending
After 10 weeks...
Mike Youngster, age 18, General skill: solid
unsatisfactory stamina - So this has popped allready!
weak passing
solid defending
New skill: adequate pace
And so on... until...
After 30 weeks...
Mike Youngster, age 19, Incredible Youth player
weak stamina - tragic keeper
solid pace - excellent defender
weak technique - solid playmaker
adequate passing - tragic striker
And now... he keeps on developping like before...IF he keeps on playing matches every week!
Ground rule:
Youth coach can train up to 15 players...
you like to train more players?
OK... You need an extra youth coach to up your maximum youth players to the ceiling of 30 players.