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SA Server IP is already unblocked. Now the problem is XML interface :/
SA Server IP is already unblocked. Now the problem is XML interface :/
I do not understand why I pay PLUS, not only that you do nothing to facilitate the experience with our own team, but you have destroyed all the alternative methods, worked for free by users, on the pretext that you are no longer interested in the old interface. At the moment the sokker is at a primitive level of experience. I am very disappointed and I have great doubts about what radical changes you are going to make.
-no team statistic,not even a total value of my team
-no way to go to the current week matches,you need to scroll all the way down
-setting up team for the match is pain in the ass,no way to highlight injured players or unavailable players or the players that allready played in current week
-no history for national cups or CC or leagues
-and many many things witch aare suppoesed to be BASIC
Like i told you ,hire kriminator if you can't do simple things!
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-no team statistic,not even a total value of my team
-no way to go to the current week matches,you need to scroll all the way down
-setting up team for the match is pain in the ass,no way to highlight injured players or unavailable players or the players that allready played in current week
-no history for national cups or CC or leagues
-and many many things witch aare suppoesed to be BASIC
Like i told you ,hire kriminator if you can't do simple things!
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You are right. I could also add a few things that I would like to see improved. But the reality is that very few people support the game by buying PLUS.
Sokker has 10.000 users. 1000 are bots maybe...
I don't think that more than 2000 people pay for PLUS!
2000x20€ = 40.000€ from which you have to take some 7000€ TAXES and you end up with 33.000€ ! This is NOTHING if you divide it by 3 or 4 owners which need to live from this money, support their families and invest in game development....
I bought PLUS membership even if I knew I will still be using external programs because the statistics and team management systems that PLUS is offering is far from sufficient , I bought PLUS to support the game... but without external programs it's HARD to manage my team!
Cheers!
Sokker has 10.000 users. 1000 are bots maybe...
I don't think that more than 2000 people pay for PLUS!
2000x20€ = 40.000€ from which you have to take some 7000€ TAXES and you end up with 33.000€ ! This is NOTHING if you divide it by 3 or 4 owners which need to live from this money, support their families and invest in game development....
I bought PLUS membership even if I knew I will still be using external programs because the statistics and team management systems that PLUS is offering is far from sufficient , I bought PLUS to support the game... but without external programs it's HARD to manage my team!
Cheers!
Dev. Diary 49: Updated 3D Viewer
Are skin colors also corrected? What I mean is, for example if a player has a dark skin in match viewer, does he also have a dark skin in playerlist? (ofcourse the same for all skin colors)
Are skin colors also corrected? What I mean is, for example if a player has a dark skin in match viewer, does he also have a dark skin in playerlist? (ofcourse the same for all skin colors)
@Raul the xml interface is essential for NT communities! lots of efforts of different people during the years to made tools for sokker cause people that play the game with dedication deserve!! From news we had seems your strategy guys is to eliminate sokker to not need tools but till then xml interface is essential for day to day life in sokker.
if you planning changing it you need to support the old version for some time pls!
we are customers we pay pluses more than 10 years so you guys have some obligations toward us .. Not that im not great full you saved sokker but this is 2 way benefit i hope so this is what i suggest...
- Please stop unannounced deployments
- plan them in best day for sokker (monday)
- that been said post news on Friday deploy Monday ( no need of rush we do not need news every week but we need one when something is about to change!)
- put more efforts on QA im sure lots of users would like to do QA on staging better delays than deliverable with bugs (fixing bugs takes more time after ..)
- there are so many developers that play sokker find a way to collaborate with them they can may help you in sokker development if not directly in your code though in making tools that people deserved in sokker what happens with SA (terrion) im sure any other person will give up ..
So really hope you will not ignore what i posted i my rush angry messages some time but we really need some positive change!
if you planning changing it you need to support the old version for some time pls!
we are customers we pay pluses more than 10 years so you guys have some obligations toward us .. Not that im not great full you saved sokker but this is 2 way benefit i hope so this is what i suggest...
- Please stop unannounced deployments
- plan them in best day for sokker (monday)
- that been said post news on Friday deploy Monday ( no need of rush we do not need news every week but we need one when something is about to change!)
- put more efforts on QA im sure lots of users would like to do QA on staging better delays than deliverable with bugs (fixing bugs takes more time after ..)
- there are so many developers that play sokker find a way to collaborate with them they can may help you in sokker development if not directly in your code though in making tools that people deserved in sokker what happens with SA (terrion) im sure any other person will give up ..
So really hope you will not ignore what i posted i my rush angry messages some time but we really need some positive change!
Not only terrion is affected by the ongoing downtime of the xml-service. Updates on sokker-manager.net stopped working as well. At least the strategy to discourage 3rd party apps / tools seems to work better and better. Regarding the circumstances I'm quite surprised Terrion hasn't given up yet.
i would understand killing 3rd party apps,but before that they need to compensate!
I think it's simply not feasible to replace all the functionality of the third-party apps, no matter how many times the sokker-officials will claim that. Let's put it this way: Actions speak louder than words...
I prefer to think they are changing things internally and they just happened to forget to test wether they affected XML interface
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we are customers we pay pluses more than 10 years so you guys have some obligations toward us ..
I guess the 'idea behind' might be to force the users to pay for all whic,h with the fan-made enhancements, now have for free, making them hard, if not impossible, to work ouside of the 'official Plus'.
Maybe they that think all non-plus users who use these tools are some cheapskate bunch who need to be 'shown a lesson' or something, being unable to consider that also a good part, if not most, of plus users who have been for years (or a decade+) in the game and care about it, use them too. A real pity, but it's seems this 'new Sokker' might be truly greed-oriented.
Not that im not great full you saved sokker but this is 2 way benefit i hope so this is what i suggest...
About the 'saving Sokker' thing... that's bullshit, imho. Pluggins for Flash working or to emulate it in 2021 were expected to appear (and they already DO exist), so we could be playing the game as always perfecty now. Turning the game into 'another' for profit as goal was the real objective, as things are already showing. I guess it would have been fine if at least they had stated it clearly so from the beginning, but it seems not to have been the case, and the 'disguise' is fadding more and more with each 'surprise' development.
So really hope you will not ignore what i posted i my rush angry messages some time but we really need some positive change!
Sadly, I don't hope to see the new devs to 'rolling back' or apologizing foranything, yet in cases of common sense. For instance, after removing the "Flash view" from the matches, and having so many users that report they can't watch the matches, have they thought about reenablig that button, so people without top-notch machines or browsers can have an alternative which could work for them? Is it so difficult to think *a bit* about the current users, instead about of the 'future tens thousands' of new users the 'new Sokker' is going to get?
Do they honestly all the annoyed current users are going to brownose them in the 'thanks' thread in this same forum? At least I won't.
we are customers we pay pluses more than 10 years so you guys have some obligations toward us ..
I guess the 'idea behind' might be to force the users to pay for all whic,h with the fan-made enhancements, now have for free, making them hard, if not impossible, to work ouside of the 'official Plus'.
Maybe they that think all non-plus users who use these tools are some cheapskate bunch who need to be 'shown a lesson' or something, being unable to consider that also a good part, if not most, of plus users who have been for years (or a decade+) in the game and care about it, use them too. A real pity, but it's seems this 'new Sokker' might be truly greed-oriented.
Not that im not great full you saved sokker but this is 2 way benefit i hope so this is what i suggest...
About the 'saving Sokker' thing... that's bullshit, imho. Pluggins for Flash working or to emulate it in 2021 were expected to appear (and they already DO exist), so we could be playing the game as always perfecty now. Turning the game into 'another' for profit as goal was the real objective, as things are already showing. I guess it would have been fine if at least they had stated it clearly so from the beginning, but it seems not to have been the case, and the 'disguise' is fadding more and more with each 'surprise' development.
So really hope you will not ignore what i posted i my rush angry messages some time but we really need some positive change!
Sadly, I don't hope to see the new devs to 'rolling back' or apologizing foranything, yet in cases of common sense. For instance, after removing the "Flash view" from the matches, and having so many users that report they can't watch the matches, have they thought about reenablig that button, so people without top-notch machines or browsers can have an alternative which could work for them? Is it so difficult to think *a bit* about the current users, instead about of the 'future tens thousands' of new users the 'new Sokker' is going to get?
Do they honestly all the annoyed current users are going to brownose them in the 'thanks' thread in this same forum? At least I won't.