Subject: »[info]Dev Diary #82: Automatic release of NT-players from

Unthinking mass?
I don't think so. Mass is thinking as it is preprogrammed (mostly by the media nowadays)

Well to me leash is exactly this forum and unthinking mass is the majority of SK executives .
At the beginning there was a clear communication - now only promises without exact timelines & certanities .

About thinking...

It's not a matter of "unthinking". It's clear that devs are running out of resources. The lack of news speak for itself. Without ressources you can think or not, it's doesn't matter, you can't move. There is no news, because there is nothing new, it's as simple as that.

I was the first to hope a collaboration between "power users" and devs. As far as I know, this forum with developers was the place for that. But I never heard one idea in those topics that comes from community pick by the devs in their plan. That's the most deceptive thing for me.

Then, those topics becomes a flow of complaints.

But for me it's ok now. No more frustrations. As an old user i just have to reminder that this game was saved from death 2 years ago. I dont expect much more. I hope you could THINK the same. My two pence :-)

I agree with your comments in general .
What I really believe is , they wanted to create awareness - that's why they have published news .
But they used all their content at once - and now they are perceived as underperformed or overpromised ...

If they wouldn't publish the changes which are not gonna happen in next few seasons , they wouldn't suffer today .

I am also grateful that they have saved this game - but you know this was only the part of the expectation .
They raised the bar - now they are hiding under the bar :)

just have to reminder that this game was saved from death 2 years ago.

Exactly!!

That was the best thing I ever read at this forum.

:)

"But I never heard one idea in those topics that comes from community pick by the devs in their plan"

Oh really? I could make a list of 4-5 ideas that came from the community and have already been implemented.

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"Then, those topics becomes a flow of complaints. "

Exactly, and that would be reason enough for me to reduce the flow of information and get my ideas from a smaller group of users, e.g. admins.

Please list the ideas which are implemented by Devs based on the community request .
Then i will list the promises which we stil have 0 clue ..

Devs didnt save this game for nothing . They are getting paid for this .

i heard many many many ideas on this topic but devs doesnt listen to us. They only listen 4-5 users.

well, mods need to come in place and do their job there is one general topic for complaints in other threads where ideas are proposed users should stick to the topic ...
in devs favorite they accepted some ideas of users here but no follow up or anything was done before topic was changed to accepted
https://sokker.org/forum?ID_forum=63355&topic_title%5B0%5D=&topic_author=&topic_title%5B1932%5D=%5Baccept%5D
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Actually, I didn't want to give an answer because one can find the answers very easily in the archive. But ok, I will try to mention a few of those ideas:
- Saving players of bot teams
- Showing skill numbers as standard (important especially for newbies)
- Team registration automation (important especially for newbies)
- Delete of bots and partly reorganisation of leagues in many countries
- 4 weeks rule for the prevention of mass trading
- Extra match on the end of season
- Timer on the transfer listed players
- Bug related to arcades
- Junior’s league bug
- Alert to set up the squad, warning if player is unable to play etc
- List view of matches with ability to filter out the arcades
- Numerous immediate reactions to graphic changes of the new pages
- Automation of payments for Plus
- Saving 2D viewer!!!

...14 points ad hoc and if I would like, the list could be double so long.
If you want to list the promises, then please first read the archive to complete my list and ask yourself how many times users have not followed the rules of this dev forum and made a mess out of this thread... Users demanding the same thing in 4 different topics, users complaining and demanding the change of the ME, because they want always to win and still haven't understand how the game works, users speaking to the devs with full contempt, as if they were speaking to sh1t... this topic is not a mess, sometimes it's a catastrophy!

Devs have spoken, that everything is a matter of priorities and resources but there are stil people expecting their personal wishes to get done immediately on the way they think. This is the situation. I do not wish to read your list with the forgotten promises. I prefer to see a list with remaining tasks, a list with wishes, a list with suggestions and of course with some respect.
And if anybody can't respect the devs, then at least he should respect the rest of the users. Me personally, I feel very shitty every time I read a yammering or accusations.... and you?

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PS: Riga, please don't take it personally. There are several users who have destroyed this thread and my disappointment has accumulated over the last few months. Maybe I had a hard day too....

Showing skill numbers as standard should be showing numbers as standard - Optional!

And as stated more above...you forgot the biggest achievement! The continuancy of Sokker as our beloved game to play ;-)

PS: Well written! You go girl!
Your biggest fan... Dtox7

But ok, I will try to mention a few of those ideas ( from the community)

Most of your list is even not a topic on this forum. @sviktorov point out those "accepted".

Most of those "ideas" was even not from community. Most are not "ideas", but bug/fix. We can find them (maybe) in bug/fix forum.

Finally, none of those ideas in your list are about game design foundation. That's what I was referring to. We were discussing ( a lot) in those topics before we give up because it didn't get anywhere.

I cannot follow your way of thinking and arguing....

Riga wrote "Please list the ideas which are implemented by Devs based on the community request ."
And I wrote a list of ideas which are implemented by Devs based on the community request.
All of them are ideas implemented and based on the community requests, like many requests I didn't mentioned.

You understand what happened?
Riga asks me personally "sentence A",
Sviktorov adds "information B",
me I answerto on Riga's "sentence A"
and you talk to me "most of your answer is not on Sviktorovs "information B"!!!

This is an emphatic example, of what is happening very often here and why it's loss of time for the devs to spend their time here.

PS: @ Dtox7 : Lol about your comment
and even this is one more reason why even alliens do not speak with us! The other reason is.... wait, I will continue in 300 sec.

You quote me (A) "I never heard one idea in those topics that comes from community pick by the devs in their plan" to answer (B): "Oh really? I could make a list ... ".
I answer you (C) : "Most of your list is even not a topic on this forum. That's what I was referring to."

A B C. Is it simple enough to follow "my way of thinking and arguing." ?

Maybe you just need some sleep before participating to an "emphatic example, of what is happening very often here". Besides that, you should review the definition of the word "emphatic".

@tsolias - Now I see how you evaluate the situation and altough ı see a bit differently , I understand your perspective .
I don't wanna write off topic - so I let devs to share sth about their current plans & timelines ;)