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Do you see 5x15 DEF today? and MID 6x14? And ATT 5x15? And why do you think that by making players worse users will train more secondary skills? Your idea is cool in theory, but in practice it makes no sense.
Users will continue to train the primary skills as it is so important. And the secondary skills will get worse, making the game of football much uglier.
Users will continue to train the primary skills as it is so important. And the secondary skills will get worse, making the game of football much uglier.
The engine will be changed/improved with time, so it's not an argument
It's not a theory, the game was more interesting before the changes that made training 3x 17 strikers etc. very easy
It's not a theory, the game was more interesting before the changes that made training 3x 17 strikers etc. very easy
I agree, but in a way I feel it's a missed oportunity to increase the maximum level with 3 skillpoints AND to increase stamina to the same possible maximum as the other skills.
Keeping the training speed equally fast as now, increase the pace training speed up to the same speed as the other skills but increasing the maximum up to 20 would be much better.
This would give the players who are maxed out today, still a way to go to max level and it would create an opening for all managers to create very fast or very technical players which would stand out because of that to 5x 17 players.
That would mean you could choose to train players up to 5x 17 OR 2x 20 + 3x 12 (for strikers or defs or wingers f.e.)
Thing is, the possibilities are endless, but going with these changes will be a challenge, which I gladly take on.
Keeping the training speed equally fast as now, increase the pace training speed up to the same speed as the other skills but increasing the maximum up to 20 would be much better.
This would give the players who are maxed out today, still a way to go to max level and it would create an opening for all managers to create very fast or very technical players which would stand out because of that to 5x 17 players.
That would mean you could choose to train players up to 5x 17 OR 2x 20 + 3x 12 (for strikers or defs or wingers f.e.)
Thing is, the possibilities are endless, but going with these changes will be a challenge, which I gladly take on.
Yeah, I'd definitely make training equally fast (except for stamina) after the 'individual training' changes
@ borkos007 game could survive even without new owners.... if Greg and damien did not wanted to keep dead game they just needed to name the price and sold it im sure here there are enough devs that could handle or invest not only money but efforst ...
of course if owners want to kill their game is their choice they just chose to try another shot for quick money...
as @Poey said we cray a lot but most likely we are the ones that will stay cause game is to much for as... and i personaly willng to pay triple price for plus but for original sokker .
the only good thing promised is the new training and instead as "gift" as they said we are punished with one more season with high injury ration much more games ..
yeah easy money are 100k users that will left in few months steady uncome is 10k users that are ready to pay for another 10years with no changes ...
of course if owners want to kill their game is their choice they just chose to try another shot for quick money...
as @Poey said we cray a lot but most likely we are the ones that will stay cause game is to much for as... and i personaly willng to pay triple price for plus but for original sokker .
the only good thing promised is the new training and instead as "gift" as they said we are punished with one more season with high injury ration much more games ..
yeah easy money are 100k users that will left in few months steady uncome is 10k users that are ready to pay for another 10years with no changes ...
Friend, when you hold on to an idea, are you unable to review your concept? Now you use future engine changes as an argument. You need to breathe and review your concept.
And if one day the Engine changes and the worst players play well, I can revise my opinion too.
And if one day the Engine changes and the worst players play well, I can revise my opinion too.
if owners want to kill their game is their choice they just chose to try another shot for quick money...
Or make it open source for the sk community to keep alive if things don't pan out... ;)
As it seems the users here are really passionate about the game. Almost a lifestyle type of dedication. Maybe an addiction too :p
Or make it open source for the sk community to keep alive if things don't pan out... ;)
As it seems the users here are really passionate about the game. Almost a lifestyle type of dedication. Maybe an addiction too :p
Why does Poland users have advantage in infos about exact changes for next season?
@ borkos007 game could survive even without new owners.... if Greg and damien did not wanted to keep dead game they just needed to name the price and sold it im sure here there are enough devs that could handle or invest not only money but efforst ...
of course if owners want to kill their game is their choice they just chose to try another shot for quick money...
it doesn't work that way (also greg and Damian were always stubborn and tough to convince)
it's not that easy, the game was written 18 years ago in a way that today is ancient and it wasn't a very 'clear' code from what I've read, some things were written in a way that it's hard to even understand how it's working
it took and will take A LOT of time for full-time coders to re-write and correct up to modern standards to allow the game to improve and add new things, so no, some sokker devs would not be able to do it unless they left their day-to-day jobs
and it's not a shot for quick money, it's exactly the opposite, they want to improve the game and make it popular again, but it will take time to do so, it's a very slow process
as @Poey said we cray a lot but most likely we are the ones that will stay cause game is to much for as... and i personaly willng to pay triple price for plus but for original sokker .
It doesn't matter if 1 or 10 or 30 people want to pay more for plus, since a huge majority of users don't play actively, the game loses users all the time and most people don't have plus
they need to revive the userbase and make the game active again, so that people will want to have plus in high numbers
they are moving to a better server now so that the game will run better, but it's another cost/investment
they said we are punished with one more season with high injury ration much more games ..
it's not for one season, the games will always be 2 league games in a week, because of bigger leagues.
only difference is that now you have old training system so you can train 33 in pace/15 in tech/9 in striker etc.
next it will be changed that you can train 10 players in what you want (according to position probably, so DEF can train defender, MIDS playmaker, ATT technique in same week etc.)
yeah easy money are 100k users that will left in few months steady uncome is 10k users that are ready to pay for another 10years with no changes ...
the problem is you don't know the numbers
the steady weak income meant no changes, no improvements, no re-writing of flash (stadiums, match viewer etc.) and moving to a weaker server (that's why now there are problems in league days because the server is too weak to handle the workload)
as far as I understood, there was no way to keep 'steady old sokker'. Lots of games like sokker were simply turned off because they started to bring losses and this was a very probable scenario as well.
of course if owners want to kill their game is their choice they just chose to try another shot for quick money...
it doesn't work that way (also greg and Damian were always stubborn and tough to convince)
it's not that easy, the game was written 18 years ago in a way that today is ancient and it wasn't a very 'clear' code from what I've read, some things were written in a way that it's hard to even understand how it's working
it took and will take A LOT of time for full-time coders to re-write and correct up to modern standards to allow the game to improve and add new things, so no, some sokker devs would not be able to do it unless they left their day-to-day jobs
and it's not a shot for quick money, it's exactly the opposite, they want to improve the game and make it popular again, but it will take time to do so, it's a very slow process
as @Poey said we cray a lot but most likely we are the ones that will stay cause game is to much for as... and i personaly willng to pay triple price for plus but for original sokker .
It doesn't matter if 1 or 10 or 30 people want to pay more for plus, since a huge majority of users don't play actively, the game loses users all the time and most people don't have plus
they need to revive the userbase and make the game active again, so that people will want to have plus in high numbers
they are moving to a better server now so that the game will run better, but it's another cost/investment
they said we are punished with one more season with high injury ration much more games ..
it's not for one season, the games will always be 2 league games in a week, because of bigger leagues.
only difference is that now you have old training system so you can train 33 in pace/15 in tech/9 in striker etc.
next it will be changed that you can train 10 players in what you want (according to position probably, so DEF can train defender, MIDS playmaker, ATT technique in same week etc.)
yeah easy money are 100k users that will left in few months steady uncome is 10k users that are ready to pay for another 10years with no changes ...
the problem is you don't know the numbers
the steady weak income meant no changes, no improvements, no re-writing of flash (stadiums, match viewer etc.) and moving to a weaker server (that's why now there are problems in league days because the server is too weak to handle the workload)
as far as I understood, there was no way to keep 'steady old sokker'. Lots of games like sokker were simply turned off because they started to bring losses and this was a very probable scenario as well.
Friend, when you hold on to an idea, are you unable to review your concept? Now you use future engine changes as an argument. You need to breathe and review your concept.
We have a different perspective
You concentrate on sokker as it was for last 10+ years
You have to understand that it won't be like it was in all aspects, so the fact that You don't see one change as good in sokker today doesn't mean that it is relevant
The defenders kicking the ball out all the times with solid-very good pm/pass is tragic of course
But it doesn't mean that it will continue to work this way when they get to improving the match engine
We have a different perspective
You concentrate on sokker as it was for last 10+ years
You have to understand that it won't be like it was in all aspects, so the fact that You don't see one change as good in sokker today doesn't mean that it is relevant
The defenders kicking the ball out all the times with solid-very good pm/pass is tragic of course
But it doesn't mean that it will continue to work this way when they get to improving the match engine
It would have been much better to just rewrite sokker, chane whatever you want to change, optimize it, put it online on the new server, update the data base, TEST IT and when all was done, only then, give access to the users to it! To the new sokker. No transition period, no headaches, no stress!
Tululu!
Tululu!
it's not for one season, the games will always be 2 league games in a week, because of bigger leagues.
only difference is that now you have old training system so you can train 33 in pace/15 in tech/9 in striker etc.
i know it will be always that for me that is the stupidest move ever . lets see how many games will be walkover or with higg differance of rating cause people want to save players or use slots for training ..
i ment that one season at least we will be still on same high ration of injuries and with new training arrives you can train without playing this season will be fuck up ...
still think the should postpone all and deliver at once in 16 weeks with the training
(also greg and Damian were always stubborn and tough to convince)
i agree on this unfortunatly its true
i can agree also that code most likely needed huge revam im impressed of the 2d version of player thats the thing that keeps me in the game 3d was firworks 3 days fun then is kinda usles .
people will have pluses in high numbers not because of new changes but only if new better ME arrives ..
and they never open a donation campaign or what so ever money from funs for fixing bugs or for better server you will be suprzed that people actully will want to pay for some bugs fixed.. especiall the bug for auto load lineupe ..
only difference is that now you have old training system so you can train 33 in pace/15 in tech/9 in striker etc.
i know it will be always that for me that is the stupidest move ever . lets see how many games will be walkover or with higg differance of rating cause people want to save players or use slots for training ..
i ment that one season at least we will be still on same high ration of injuries and with new training arrives you can train without playing this season will be fuck up ...
still think the should postpone all and deliver at once in 16 weeks with the training
(also greg and Damian were always stubborn and tough to convince)
i agree on this unfortunatly its true
i can agree also that code most likely needed huge revam im impressed of the 2d version of player thats the thing that keeps me in the game 3d was firworks 3 days fun then is kinda usles .
people will have pluses in high numbers not because of new changes but only if new better ME arrives ..
and they never open a donation campaign or what so ever money from funs for fixing bugs or for better server you will be suprzed that people actully will want to pay for some bugs fixed.. especiall the bug for auto load lineupe ..
You could just increase the age that players can train to!
Look at Ibrahimovic, Ronaldo, Chiellini.. etc. Who says you can't train at 30 or 35?! We could still have 3x20 (if you want) at the age of 38... and than they drop rapidly after 40!
Buffon is still playing at 44! I think Maldini played competitively until he was 41...
Why can't a 28 years old have [4] talent in "Pace" from level [16] to [17] ? Talent is ageless!
I'm just saying, I haven't done the numbers! I give extreme examples sometimes to make my point!
Arrivederci!
Tell me you look this good! Tell me you can do this!
https://youtu.be/qKAZvnHy9Gc
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Look at Ibrahimovic, Ronaldo, Chiellini.. etc. Who says you can't train at 30 or 35?! We could still have 3x20 (if you want) at the age of 38... and than they drop rapidly after 40!
Buffon is still playing at 44! I think Maldini played competitively until he was 41...
Why can't a 28 years old have [4] talent in "Pace" from level [16] to [17] ? Talent is ageless!
I'm just saying, I haven't done the numbers! I give extreme examples sometimes to make my point!
Arrivederci!
Tell me you look this good! Tell me you can do this!
https://youtu.be/qKAZvnHy9Gc
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I really don't understand how make the players weaker improve the game and close the gap between teams with large wallets and littles or new teams.
Large wallet teams maybe won't have monster striker with 3x18 + 18 in defense and a lot of pass and playmaker for example, but in the same way than now they will have 3x18 (that players in minor quantity but they going to exist). And little or new teams will face out this player with a defensive line with 2x14?. That won't be fun, that will be a masacre.
In NT is even worst, my little country already qualify for next world cup with 2 games remains, and guess what?, we don't have even a striker 3x18 (but one 3x17 helps a lot), not all defensive line is 2x18, (but somes 2x17 resists), midfielders are incompletes, and that in the actual training. When this generation pass and growth the new with limitations, will be imposible to face out against bigs NT and do a decent game, with defensive lines of 2x14 without secondaries and striker 3x14.
At the end, the change will be in favor of big teams, the game will be boring becuase we will know the results before the game. Will be imposible to win a game against a line of divine defense with yours 3x14 strikers even if you trained them for 10 seasons with a lot of effort.
Large wallet teams maybe won't have monster striker with 3x18 + 18 in defense and a lot of pass and playmaker for example, but in the same way than now they will have 3x18 (that players in minor quantity but they going to exist). And little or new teams will face out this player with a defensive line with 2x14?. That won't be fun, that will be a masacre.
In NT is even worst, my little country already qualify for next world cup with 2 games remains, and guess what?, we don't have even a striker 3x18 (but one 3x17 helps a lot), not all defensive line is 2x18, (but somes 2x17 resists), midfielders are incompletes, and that in the actual training. When this generation pass and growth the new with limitations, will be imposible to face out against bigs NT and do a decent game, with defensive lines of 2x14 without secondaries and striker 3x14.
At the end, the change will be in favor of big teams, the game will be boring becuase we will know the results before the game. Will be imposible to win a game against a line of divine defense with yours 3x14 strikers even if you trained them for 10 seasons with a lot of effort.
As someone tried to explain, if we just wanted to have old sokker, they just had to rewrite the Flash code, and that's it.
Are you a developer? It looks like you don't understand something at all. Like how some "small" changes were better, like a lot of changes how were done in the last year, and now we have a lot of bugs, without being solved.
Are you an investor? I don't thin so, because it looks like you don't know how the numbers work and who owns majority of the game, based on the numbers that you provide.
What are you? I'm trying to understand, because you're a great gatekeeper, and I don't understand why are you doing this, without any reason :))
Are you a developer? It looks like you don't understand something at all. Like how some "small" changes were better, like a lot of changes how were done in the last year, and now we have a lot of bugs, without being solved.
Are you an investor? I don't thin so, because it looks like you don't know how the numbers work and who owns majority of the game, based on the numbers that you provide.
What are you? I'm trying to understand, because you're a great gatekeeper, and I don't understand why are you doing this, without any reason :))
28 years old have [4] talent in "Pace" from level [16] to [17] needs about 14 weeks of training for such a skillup.
And this is Maldini of sokker, sokkerl-legend Luissel. Aged 38 and he had a skillup in pass last week.
His manager commented: "I never see befor a 38y Player have that UP in passing, after a drop down for more then a Saison :) "
Imho one of the main reason of problems in sokker is that some information that is been repeated again and again, about training, about tactics etc is completely wrong. Like in real life... LOL
And this is Maldini of sokker, sokkerl-legend Luissel. Aged 38 and he had a skillup in pass last week.
His manager commented: "I never see befor a 38y Player have that UP in passing, after a drop down for more then a Saison :) "
Imho one of the main reason of problems in sokker is that some information that is been repeated again and again, about training, about tactics etc is completely wrong. Like in real life... LOL