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Changing the game is different from improving the game.
They need to listen to users more.
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if you ask people if they want to get 3 divine youths every season and have 3x super divine strikers, with 5x magical mids, have 2x faster training etc. and also earn 3x current tickets and sponsors then 80%+ will answer YES
would it be good for the game? NO, it would be horrendous.
They have big plans for remodelling the core of the game and making it overall BETTER.
Saying that biggest talents will be wasted is ridiculous. They will still be the biggest talents in the game, they will still be the best players after training. Nothing changes in this matter.
You have a very narrow perspective and consider every small change by connecting it with the present, while every small change is a part of a big change in the future. The sooner you guys understand that, the better.
They need to listen to users more.
wrong
if you ask people if they want to get 3 divine youths every season and have 3x super divine strikers, with 5x magical mids, have 2x faster training etc. and also earn 3x current tickets and sponsors then 80%+ will answer YES
would it be good for the game? NO, it would be horrendous.
They have big plans for remodelling the core of the game and making it overall BETTER.
Saying that biggest talents will be wasted is ridiculous. They will still be the biggest talents in the game, they will still be the best players after training. Nothing changes in this matter.
You have a very narrow perspective and consider every small change by connecting it with the present, while every small change is a part of a big change in the future. The sooner you guys understand that, the better.
You have a very narrow perspective
The same can be said about you. Making players worse without any timeline about when the ME would be changed to compensate and even if there would be any changes is ridiculous. And considering how they have delayed everything season after season and how bad their communication has been outside of polish forums - there is 0 reason to believe they wont ruin game quality with this.
If they dont want 3x18/5x17 players - affect them and make training them in such a way harder/near impossible by making training more exponential in gains at higher levels to encourage sideskill training instead, not reduce level of players across the board. Simple as that.,
The same can be said about you. Making players worse without any timeline about when the ME would be changed to compensate and even if there would be any changes is ridiculous. And considering how they have delayed everything season after season and how bad their communication has been outside of polish forums - there is 0 reason to believe they wont ruin game quality with this.
If they dont want 3x18/5x17 players - affect them and make training them in such a way harder/near impossible by making training more exponential in gains at higher levels to encourage sideskill training instead, not reduce level of players across the board. Simple as that.,
The same can be said about you. Making players worse without any timeline about when the ME would be changed to compensate and even if there would be any changes is ridiculous.
There's a HUGE amount of time to make these changes, since 23-30+ players will last for many, many seasons and they are already trained at high level
Also it makes barely any difference whether a defender will have outstanding side skills instead of incredible
Plus it's just part of the changes, I'm sure there will be much more changes in the training, players levels and ME
If they dont want 3x18/5x17 players - affect them and make training them in such a way harder/near impossible by making training more exponential in gains at higher levels to encourage sideskill training instead, not reduce level of players across the board. Simple as that.,
simple is easy and it's not always the right answer
how can you know how the side skills will matter? or how current incredible will correlate with future excellent? do you know what other changes to side skills do they plan to implement?
you don't have any idea what they are planning, what's the end goal, what means they plan to use, so let them work instead of making claims based on assumptions and being negative all the time
it's their game, they will change it the way they want to do it. it was ALWAYS designed the way the owners wanted it, from day 1. you still play it, you claim that it's a good game, so maybe wait and see what these owners will do this time?
There's a HUGE amount of time to make these changes, since 23-30+ players will last for many, many seasons and they are already trained at high level
Also it makes barely any difference whether a defender will have outstanding side skills instead of incredible
Plus it's just part of the changes, I'm sure there will be much more changes in the training, players levels and ME
If they dont want 3x18/5x17 players - affect them and make training them in such a way harder/near impossible by making training more exponential in gains at higher levels to encourage sideskill training instead, not reduce level of players across the board. Simple as that.,
simple is easy and it's not always the right answer
how can you know how the side skills will matter? or how current incredible will correlate with future excellent? do you know what other changes to side skills do they plan to implement?
you don't have any idea what they are planning, what's the end goal, what means they plan to use, so let them work instead of making claims based on assumptions and being negative all the time
it's their game, they will change it the way they want to do it. it was ALWAYS designed the way the owners wanted it, from day 1. you still play it, you claim that it's a good game, so maybe wait and see what these owners will do this time?
Friend, you haven't played in 10 years and come to give your opinion on something you're not experiencing. It's easy to see who's talking nonsense.
I would have a different attitude in your place.
I would have a different attitude in your place.
There is that part about communicating. Maybe you have deeper information in polish forums - in international ones there is almost none so who knows what and if they will do. Considering these changes took them years and changes in ME should be way more difficult to execute properly I dont have any trust that they will be even made at all. I'm all for changes - they are needed, I just don't agree with the way they are handled so far and that decreases expectations for the future ones.
Also - if the changes in ME will be so that players with average sideskills play decently as you propose - that would mean all players will be even more similar with minmaxed main skills as there wouldn't be any point in training them and we will be back to square 1.
Also - if the changes in ME will be so that players with average sideskills play decently as you propose - that would mean all players will be even more similar with minmaxed main skills as there wouldn't be any point in training them and we will be back to square 1.
Who is giving opinions are several experienced users who study the Game and the engine. You should give us all more credits.
Well...the shortening of the season already has that effect on the players.
It will be harder / near impossible to get them to 3x 18 for strikers f.e.,
So in stead of adjusting the training itself, they adjust the season length. Imo... genious!! You know there are lots of people looking forward to these changes?
To communication, they already apologised for that...
And you say, there's 0 reason to believe they won't ruin the game quality, but there's also 0 reason to think the opposite...
Making players worse without any timeline about when the ME would be changed to compensate
I want to point out that, by the time the quality of the players has gone down, we're at least 4 seasons further, so imo...a large timeline to improve the ME.
All changes will be gradually integrated so everybody gets the chance to gradually adjust their team to the changes and to get the hang of those changes without drowning in new features...
Lots of people who come complaining about things don't want to be patient while the devs are working on the game...yet it was ok for them to stick to a game, untouched for over a decade, looking to a constant decreasing community with the inevidable death looking in the eyes when the end of Flash was announced!
So, either they were okay for the game to die, the way it was, or they are glad the game will continue to live on, providing there will be changes made to the game.
If the changes are not your thing, you should think about which one would be the better one?
The first...where there would be no sokker today?
Or the 2nd...where you can still play this game, providing you undergo the changes they will make to the game.
And yes...some changes could be made otherwise, or they could save the sokker without changes,....
But wat good would that do? It was already a game, gradually losing it's players, so saving a dying game without a proper plan would help.
It's like a reanimation on a patient with terminal cancer. Yes...he lives on to see the other day, but it won't cure his cancer.
These devs are curing the cancer, but before you're cured...there's a period of pain you must endure.
Either you go through that period, complaining, or...you try to make the best of it.
It will be harder / near impossible to get them to 3x 18 for strikers f.e.,
So in stead of adjusting the training itself, they adjust the season length. Imo... genious!! You know there are lots of people looking forward to these changes?
To communication, they already apologised for that...
And you say, there's 0 reason to believe they won't ruin the game quality, but there's also 0 reason to think the opposite...
Making players worse without any timeline about when the ME would be changed to compensate
I want to point out that, by the time the quality of the players has gone down, we're at least 4 seasons further, so imo...a large timeline to improve the ME.
All changes will be gradually integrated so everybody gets the chance to gradually adjust their team to the changes and to get the hang of those changes without drowning in new features...
Lots of people who come complaining about things don't want to be patient while the devs are working on the game...yet it was ok for them to stick to a game, untouched for over a decade, looking to a constant decreasing community with the inevidable death looking in the eyes when the end of Flash was announced!
So, either they were okay for the game to die, the way it was, or they are glad the game will continue to live on, providing there will be changes made to the game.
If the changes are not your thing, you should think about which one would be the better one?
The first...where there would be no sokker today?
Or the 2nd...where you can still play this game, providing you undergo the changes they will make to the game.
And yes...some changes could be made otherwise, or they could save the sokker without changes,....
But wat good would that do? It was already a game, gradually losing it's players, so saving a dying game without a proper plan would help.
It's like a reanimation on a patient with terminal cancer. Yes...he lives on to see the other day, but it won't cure his cancer.
These devs are curing the cancer, but before you're cured...there's a period of pain you must endure.
Either you go through that period, complaining, or...you try to make the best of it.
I can guarantee that players with high secondary skills make the engine much more enjoyable to watch.
Friend, you haven't played in 10 years and come to give your opinion on something you're not experiencing. It's easy to see who's talking nonsense.
I would have a different attitude in your place.
Who is giving opinions are several experienced users who study the Game and the engine. You should give us all more credits.
7 years ago I won the hardest league in the world, the hardest national cup and got the silver in CCC. Also won the u21 World Cup and World Cup.
There were ZERO changes in the game. Nothing changed. So don't talk to me about experience, I have plenty.
"I would have a different attitude in your place".
I would have a different attitude in your place.
Who is giving opinions are several experienced users who study the Game and the engine. You should give us all more credits.
7 years ago I won the hardest league in the world, the hardest national cup and got the silver in CCC. Also won the u21 World Cup and World Cup.
There were ZERO changes in the game. Nothing changed. So don't talk to me about experience, I have plenty.
"I would have a different attitude in your place".
1 thing I noticed for sure, the current ME is made for lower skills.
So the changes are better for current ME.
I tried everything with current tactic editor and in my opinion it is 100% sure the lower skills will give this game the right direction in this case.
So the changes are better for current ME.
I tried everything with current tactic editor and in my opinion it is 100% sure the lower skills will give this game the right direction in this case.
I did not speak of experience. I spoke of current experience, do not misrepresent my words. Everything you've done is in the past.
Also - if the changes in ME will be so that players with average sideskills play decently as you propose - that would mean all players will be even more similar with minmaxed main skills as there wouldn't be any point in training them and we will be back to square 1.
There are a number of ways they can change it, we don't know what will happened, but they are not stupid, they won't make a game where 70% of the time players act like idiots. Why would they?
There's so many ways it can be changed...for example:
extremely bad (skills 0-4) = kicks the ball back/out like now
average = makes simple short passes ok, but just kicks the ball forward like idiot when under pressure
good = makes good decisions where to pass, has decent accuracy
excellent (for example 12-14 in pm/pass) = makes best decision, is able to produce from time to time a great through ball to strikers/winger etc.
just an example
there are a number of ways things can be improved or changed, this is the 'easiest' one where you can still see the impact of high side skills, but they are not necessary to have a game that is enjoyable to watch
and I'm sure they will find much better ideas since I came up with this in 1 minute
There are a number of ways they can change it, we don't know what will happened, but they are not stupid, they won't make a game where 70% of the time players act like idiots. Why would they?
There's so many ways it can be changed...for example:
extremely bad (skills 0-4) = kicks the ball back/out like now
average = makes simple short passes ok, but just kicks the ball forward like idiot when under pressure
good = makes good decisions where to pass, has decent accuracy
excellent (for example 12-14 in pm/pass) = makes best decision, is able to produce from time to time a great through ball to strikers/winger etc.
just an example
there are a number of ways things can be improved or changed, this is the 'easiest' one where you can still see the impact of high side skills, but they are not necessary to have a game that is enjoyable to watch
and I'm sure they will find much better ideas since I came up with this in 1 minute
I did not speak of experience. I spoke of current experience, do not misrepresent my words. Everything you've done is in the past.
And nothing changed in this game since I stopped playing.
The moment I decided to get results in this season, I won every game.
Same game, same players, same tactics.
And nothing changed in this game since I stopped playing.
The moment I decided to get results in this season, I won every game.
Same game, same players, same tactics.
Yes. But the opponents are harder to beat now, since they were building 7 years towards a stronger team.
However, that, indeed doesn't change the core of the game.
I can call out 100 things on the fly, which I feel should be adjusted on the game.
But it's not that they can snap their fingers and the solution pops out of a goodie bag, like the hatstand out of Marry Poppins's bag :-p
Lots of people running on eggshells these days. But I don't know why?
I can complain even more about the current tax system of our country, but it is what it is...
However, that, indeed doesn't change the core of the game.
I can call out 100 things on the fly, which I feel should be adjusted on the game.
But it's not that they can snap their fingers and the solution pops out of a goodie bag, like the hatstand out of Marry Poppins's bag :-p
Lots of people running on eggshells these days. But I don't know why?
I can complain even more about the current tax system of our country, but it is what it is...
Yes. But the opponents are harder to beat now, since they were building 7 years towards a stronger team.
naaaah, not really
the way this game is devised you can't keep on growing due to ageing and loss of value + problems in connecting playing at top top top level with earning on training
so when you reach the top you can stay up there for some time but then you have to rebuild (in the biggest countries)
when I was at the top, most teams in Ekstraklasa had ratings between 75 and 82
if anything Ekstraklasa is weaker today, 2 great teams, one playing for 82, other for 77, the rest is weak
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naaaah, not really
the way this game is devised you can't keep on growing due to ageing and loss of value + problems in connecting playing at top top top level with earning on training
so when you reach the top you can stay up there for some time but then you have to rebuild (in the biggest countries)
when I was at the top, most teams in Ekstraklasa had ratings between 75 and 82
if anything Ekstraklasa is weaker today, 2 great teams, one playing for 82, other for 77, the rest is weak
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Eh, that is just my opinion just like you have yours. Yes, maybe they can and will do so, I just dont believe they are capable of it right now considering the struggle and time consumed with way easier things so simpler solutions could be better.
Also as the user count is declining - fixing league system for small countries should have been a bigger priority that whatever they are doing now. Now that probably wont ever happen because they wont do second redistribution of leagues any time soon. It is not fun to play in a country, when you have to compete against 7 way worse teams just so you could get some competitive CC games per season. It will only get worse with playing against 11 even worse ones...
Also as the user count is declining - fixing league system for small countries should have been a bigger priority that whatever they are doing now. Now that probably wont ever happen because they wont do second redistribution of leagues any time soon. It is not fun to play in a country, when you have to compete against 7 way worse teams just so you could get some competitive CC games per season. It will only get worse with playing against 11 even worse ones...