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Well we should switch to a chess game
Well we should switch to a chess game
I think, though I could be wrong, cause I still don't really understand where you're going at, but I think that you misunderstood what I said.
I was saying the injury was probably an other situation, but the match viewer showed us something funny, as if the player twisted his knee while turning around.
Yet I protest against such a viewer, cause if things are not what they show, then it's pointless to look to it.
F.e.... The viewer and report states you lost 0 - 4 and you had only 40% bal possession and only 3 chances against 15 for the other team.
But maybe the viewer shows a fairytale and you actually were the better team, yet very much unlucky and the other team only had 4 chances, but extremely lucky and they scored 100% of chances. Here you go, thinking your tactic was bad, so you adjust things. Yet, maybe, the tactic was brilliant, but the viewer showed otherwise.
And that's the reason I complain about that fact!
I was saying the injury was probably an other situation, but the match viewer showed us something funny, as if the player twisted his knee while turning around.
Yet I protest against such a viewer, cause if things are not what they show, then it's pointless to look to it.
F.e.... The viewer and report states you lost 0 - 4 and you had only 40% bal possession and only 3 chances against 15 for the other team.
But maybe the viewer shows a fairytale and you actually were the better team, yet very much unlucky and the other team only had 4 chances, but extremely lucky and they scored 100% of chances. Here you go, thinking your tactic was bad, so you adjust things. Yet, maybe, the tactic was brilliant, but the viewer showed otherwise.
And that's the reason I complain about that fact!
Yes,, it is exactly so!
We had a discussion about the viewer on the german forum. On 2D-viewer one could see clearly a goal from offside position, but on 3D-viewer it was a regular goal with no offside position...
We had a discussion about the viewer on the german forum. On 2D-viewer one could see clearly a goal from offside position, but on 3D-viewer it was a regular goal with no offside position...
for me the viewer is just an attraction of the game (I play sokker because it has a viewer) although we all know that at minute 1 the result is already determined and the viewer has no influence.
"although we all know that at minute 1 the result is already determined and the viewer has no influence."
Exactly, this is the point! :)
Exactly, this is the point! :)
No, that''s not the point.
The viewer should show the exact result of the ME.
I also know the result has been made up front. But that doesn't mean we should see something completely different.
Why is there a tactic editor if the ME doesn't concider it...
Well maybe t does, but you will never see which part was good or not
The viewer should show the exact result of the ME.
I also know the result has been made up front. But that doesn't mean we should see something completely different.
Why is there a tactic editor if the ME doesn't concider it...
Well maybe t does, but you will never see which part was good or not
It doesn't make sense from software dev point of view for match viewer to show entirely something else than what match engine generated. If I was to write match engine I would make it to generate everything that's happening on the pitch (based on tactics, player skills and other factors) with some small time interval, every player movement, every kick of the ball, every attempt to take the ball from opponent, every shot etc., and then almost directly* translate it into match viewer.
How else would it work? Only generate result, report, injuries etc. in match engine, and then generate match view that tries to match everything that was generated by match engine?
This "generating match view" would literally need to be another match engine (how else it would be generated? you need to show actions that make sense looking at tactics and player skills), now you have two match engines and both need to generate thing that end in the same result, it just doesn't make sense :)
* To safe space that each match takes I wouldn't save every tick of every player movements, just some approximations. If i know that at one moment player is in point A, and then after a three seconds he is in point B and this player didn't directly participate in a play in that time then I don't need to save 60 informations per second about his movements, only the information that he needs to move from point A to point B in that time - I guess that's where errors with not called "offsides" arise in match viewer.
I was saying the injury was probably an other situation, but the match viewer showed us something funny, as if the player twisted his knee while turning around.
I think match engine just gives a veeeeeery small chance for injury when you are running with a ball, small enough that it doesn't happen very often, but big enough for injuries like this to happen sometimes.
@tsolias
We had a discussion about the viewer on the german forum. On 2D-viewer one could see clearly a goal from offside position, but on 3D-viewer it was a regular goal with no offside position...
Can you link me to this? I would like to see that :) Unless it happened last season or earlier, because old matches are not available to watch. :P
How else would it work? Only generate result, report, injuries etc. in match engine, and then generate match view that tries to match everything that was generated by match engine?
This "generating match view" would literally need to be another match engine (how else it would be generated? you need to show actions that make sense looking at tactics and player skills), now you have two match engines and both need to generate thing that end in the same result, it just doesn't make sense :)
* To safe space that each match takes I wouldn't save every tick of every player movements, just some approximations. If i know that at one moment player is in point A, and then after a three seconds he is in point B and this player didn't directly participate in a play in that time then I don't need to save 60 informations per second about his movements, only the information that he needs to move from point A to point B in that time - I guess that's where errors with not called "offsides" arise in match viewer.
I was saying the injury was probably an other situation, but the match viewer showed us something funny, as if the player twisted his knee while turning around.
I think match engine just gives a veeeeeery small chance for injury when you are running with a ball, small enough that it doesn't happen very often, but big enough for injuries like this to happen sometimes.
@tsolias
We had a discussion about the viewer on the german forum. On 2D-viewer one could see clearly a goal from offside position, but on 3D-viewer it was a regular goal with no offside position...
Can you link me to this? I would like to see that :) Unless it happened last season or earlier, because old matches are not available to watch. :P
the viewer is used to see how the tactic behaves, but in motion.
the viewer is simply the interpretation of all the variables presented by the 2 teams, be it tactics, player skills and even the size of the pitch.
the viewer is simply the interpretation of all the variables presented by the 2 teams, be it tactics, player skills and even the size of the pitch.
Then it's strange that the viewer and the report shows a header, but still I must believe the header isn't a header...
Contradictory statements which gives me less and less believe in the ME and / or viewer...
Contradictory statements which gives me less and less believe in the ME and / or viewer...
9 out of 10 of my highest valued players drop in form,Tomori is not stopping I told you he will be 0 befoe he stops , so how can i predict him if it's random, he's now at average from top form.
I just cannot handle the amount of form drops we can get in a week now this and injuries have got to be sorted out.
Seems to be somthing badly wrong with form much more form dropping than form going up, This i have never notcied in 15 years until now, shall i sack everyone who's not in my first 11 shall we all do it? then at least we can stop eveything being worked out with players that are not in our first 11
You do realize that a lot of people do not use forum's especially newbies they play the game see how rubbish this is with form and injuries and leave to never come back, things like this have a detrimental effect on the game
Maybe I'm just unlucky?
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I just cannot handle the amount of form drops we can get in a week now this and injuries have got to be sorted out.
Seems to be somthing badly wrong with form much more form dropping than form going up, This i have never notcied in 15 years until now, shall i sack everyone who's not in my first 11 shall we all do it? then at least we can stop eveything being worked out with players that are not in our first 11
You do realize that a lot of people do not use forum's especially newbies they play the game see how rubbish this is with form and injuries and leave to never come back, things like this have a detrimental effect on the game
Maybe I'm just unlucky?
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I agree with you. Today's servers are way too fast and strong they can probably generate hundreds of matches in a matter of seconds, but our eye needs those 20+ mins to see it in our pace. That is why result is known when the match starts, but viewer shows it in the way we consume it.
Just a shout out that the cup/friendlies really need to be switched back to WED.
League games FRI and SUN would be much better.
Besides ensuring that NT players then don't get messed up with training, it also secures a match and training for the juniors who are pulled from the youth school on Thursdays and thrown on the market instantly (cant play them in the league).
Though I guess this will all also depend on the changes of the training system next season.
League games FRI and SUN would be much better.
Besides ensuring that NT players then don't get messed up with training, it also secures a match and training for the juniors who are pulled from the youth school on Thursdays and thrown on the market instantly (cant play them in the league).
Though I guess this will all also depend on the changes of the training system next season.
Then I rather have tuesday league, wednesday cup / friendly, friday youth match and sunday league.
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tuesday cup / friendly, wednesday league, friday youth and sunday league
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tuesday cup / friendly, wednesday league, friday youth and sunday league