Subject: »[info]Dev Diary #82: Automatic release of NT-players from

This is not a pigsty! Pooping on someone's shoe is no joke!

This is not my scale, it was posted on the Polish forum and confirmed by top polish users.

I think it's correct but of course you may disagree and I will not argue.

expressly confirmed by Greg?? I don't think so...

then I will be guided by my 17 years of experience in this game... XD

My intention is not to argue either, it was just to draw your attention in relation to an inconsistency based on one of the rules of the game. If I see that there is such a basic error, why trust the rest of the combinations that are even more difficult to verify?

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inconsistency based on one of the rules of the game

May you copy/.paste what exact rules you mean?

I wouldn't trust the rules also, there are an obvious errors within them

he did it earlier, check prev. page

The differences in training effectiveness resulting from player’s appearances during the week are small. A player who played in one friendly only, will have only slightly less effective training than the one from the first team line-up. The difference is even smaller for a player that played in two games instead of just one.

The rule is very clear: the difference is very small between the effectiveness of a friendly match and one official, but it is even smaller between one official and two officials.

As you indicate:


friendly= 75
official =85
official + official = 100


difference between friendly and official according to what you say, it would be 10 and, between an official and two official 15.
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According rules maybe difference should be:

15 between freiendly and official
And 10 between official and 2 matches

on your scale it's the opposite

That's why I don't trust that scale
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I wouldn't trust the rules also, there are an obvious errors within them

Indeed,


The differences in training effectiveness resulting from player’s appearances during the week are small. A player who played in one friendly only, will have only slightly less effective training than the one from the first team line-up. The difference is even smaller for a player that played in two games instead of just one.


It;s not clear at all.
You may interpret it in either way.

Also, the most important thing were not said - what gives a player mythical 100% of training?
Are you able a catch the 5% difference in a players progress?

I wont carry on this conversation, training rules will change in a few weeks anyway. :)




post scriptum:


To przy odpowiednim układzie transferów, zawodnik może zagrać dwa mecze ligowe i dwa towarzyskie w tygodniu (ewentualnie jeszcze mecz w reprezentacji) i zyskać dużo treningu?

greg: Może, tylko po co :]
Zysk 1 a 2 mecze jest do rozważenia, ale 2 a 4 mecze to już prawie bez różnicy (tylko kontuzji sie może nabawić więcej grając).


https://sokker.org/forum_topic/ID_forum/78/ID_topic/980443/pg/1

In this topic greg said there is almost no difference between 4 and 2 games per week
Almost no difference, but still a difference.
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True ;)

In this topic greg said there is almost no difference between 4 and 2 games per week
Almost no difference, but still a difference.

as you said, difficult to verify that last 5% of training. and like greg said, if you're competing to win, it's not worth it because it would greatly increase the risk of injury...

We will wait for the new training to see if the devs clarify it better XD

They already said that they wont in one of the announcements.

But I also think Tetryks number are about right for old training system, he just did the explaining in so many variations

I think its: 1 - supposed full training
0.9 - official game
0.75 - friendly
0.5 NT/U21

And the calculation for multiple games goes based on remaining available training so you never reach 1, for example official+friendly:
0.9 + (1-0.9) * 0.75 = 0.975

I presented this kind of calculations of training with multiple matches a long time ago and, IIRC, most of the users disagreed (tsolias presented a lot of his training data which theoretically contradicted my thesis).
But it's all theories because it is very, very hard to measure training progress accurately.

yup

the 90% official, 75% friendly, 50% NT data was confirmed years ago by greg or Damian

it's also a fact that the training doesn't add linearly, so 75% + 50% doesn't make 100%

actually even 2 official games don't make a 100%, since the more training you had, the less you get from next games

but going over one official game (90%) doesn't really make sense for me, since it will give you around 5% training more - so you need 14 weeks of such games to reach an "extra" training, while in 14 additional games you can easily get injured and lose 1-4 full trainings

it's also a fact that the training doesn't add linearly, so 75% + 50% doesn't make 100%

no, it makes 125% :D